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Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 09:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 02:45:16

Marrky
Posted - 2011.08.25 09:47:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Marrky on 25/08/2011 09:47:18

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 09:49:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 02:46:29

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:20:00 - [4]
 

No. (Find another game if you don't like this one.)

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:23:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:22:49

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:29:00 - [6]
 

There already is one, but it might be a bit hard to find. It looks like this:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

…ok, technically, you're still subject to PvP even without clicking that one, so to really turn PvP off, you need to avoid clicking this button:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Here's the problem with your idea: you are already PvPing. That mining you think is PvE? It's not — it's pure PvP. Everything you do is PvP. If you want to switch PvP off in a game such as this, you must also no longer be allowed to do any of the things where you can affect other players by your non-PvP:ing. This means…

· You can obviously no longer lock any player ship.
· You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module.
· You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window.
· You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services.
· You can no longer mine.
· You can no longer shoot rats.
· You can no longer open any kind of container in space.
· You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes.
· You can no longer be in a fleet.
· You can no longer use salvagers.
· You can no longer access the industry interface.
· You can no longer access player-sovereign systems.
· You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space.
· …and probably many more that I can't think of now.

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:38:00 - [7]
 

ah interesting reason why not but completely moot to what im talking about. ok if you wanna go there pvp as in player manipulation of non combative interaction between players is everything your talking about all id like not to have to participate is in the player to player combat

Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:42:00 - [8]
 

Lets not forget that CCP has even defined simply using the market as a form of pvp, so, with the removal of ship spinning, there is NO non-pvp activity left in EvE. This is a pvp game, every aspect of it is designed to force you to compete with other players.

Only PvP off button there will ever be is biomass Shocked

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:54:00 - [9]
 

Cloaking device = PvP flag.

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:54:00 - [10]
 

You're not getting any BANG for your buck with THAT suggestion.

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:56:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:31:18

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.25 11:09:00 - [12]
 

See, I am not a big fan of PvE due to not really having any interest in shooting NPCs and not having time to grind ISK for hours every day. Let's make a deal: I give you a no PvP option (I won't shoot you), and you give me a no PvE option (you send me your ISK so I can buy ships).

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.08.25 11:44:00 - [13]
 

This is a PvP game that leaves room for PvE'ing... It's not a PvE game leaving room for pvp'ing. You are free to play the game how you like however you should consider adapting yourself to the game instead of suggesting the game adapt to you.

Some times I feel new guys should start in lowsec because Eve in spite of having more people and bigger fleets in lowsec and 0.0 have become rather soft.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.25 11:45:00 - [14]
 

high SP carebear here... for proof, see my in-game decorations.

I think Tippia put it fairly well as to why you can't have a "no PVP!" flag. This game is a sandbox, you can do whatever you want ... but so can that other guy who just blasted you.

What CCP has provided us with is merely a framework of a game. Essentially, they gave us the playground, complete with sand-castle tools, a jungle-gym, and "Parents" (CONCORD).

After that it's up to us to decide how to have fun.

Maybe Tippia wants to play tag. Maybe you want to build a sand castle (complete with a moat full of alligators). Maybe Abdiel wants to take a bucket of Army Men, and invade your castle...

The "Parents" are there to keep order (insofar as where they can see... i.e. hisec), so if Abidel stomps all over your castle for no reason, he'll be punished... BUT if they know that's part of the game between you and him (i.e. WARDEC), it's "oh, they're playing together... isn't that nice?"

Eventually, the idea is that we'll all "grow up", leave the "safety" of the "playground" (hisec) and start running around in the field/woods (low/null) making up even bigger games (capture the flag, paintball, whatever) to entertain ourselves...

Sure, we can always come back to the playground (all those games always had a "base" or "safe spot" anyway) ...

Now, that's our "playground" with the PVP flag on...


EVE with the "no PVP" flag on would be like going to said playground ... but not being allowed to play in the sandbox, or the jungle-gym, or in the field/woods ...

wouldn't be very fun for very long, would it?

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:31:40

Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:06:00 - [16]
 

eve login = pvp on
eve logoff = pvp off

its already built in

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:30:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:32:09

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Renegade22
Edited by: Renegade22 on 25/08/2011 12:03:49
you make a great point velicitia and i agree with alot of what you say but as you put it at the end it may not be fun for long but then neither is hiding in hi sec
being a loner without the backup of a fleet or big enough corp to help defend its members hi sec is where im stranded unless i dont mind being iskless and shipless, missions are fun and all but they get a little repetative and also the main reason behing my idea is my dream ship ( being a gallente ) is to one day own and cruise around in a thanatos or nyx but im not aloud to drive them in hi sec so its an untouchable dream


no PVP means "missions only" (really). You're living in your original idea right now.... and (this'll sound harsh) you're playing EVE "wrong".

Based on your employment info, you've just gotten yourself into a med-sized corporation .. in a med/large alliance by the looks of it... give it some time and you'll probably be able to reach those goals....

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:17:00 - [19]
 

All the arguments about this is a PvP game and you're doing it wrong aside, there is a major drawback to allowing some characters to opt out of being shot.

This option, if implemented, would allow alliances and corporations to create completely risk free logistics chains to wherever they wanted. Put the no-PvP alt in a no-PvP corporation, give him a freighter and watch in horror as he plods everywhere and anywhere refueling POS's with impunity, repping modules.

Or how about no-PvP ninja looters? They can steal my mission objectives, and I can't do anything about it, because they cannot be shot. Poor me, I'm just SOL.

Or you mix no-PvP folks in with PvP folks in a fleet. Now the FC doesn't know who to call primary because half the guys on the opposite team can't be shot.

The fact of the matter is, Eve players are inventive, and what seems like a simple idea to you (oh hey, no one can shoot me while I mission) WILL (not may) be used in ways that were never imagined by you or the devs to give people who ARE pvp'ing an advantage.

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:17:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:33:14

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:22:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:38:04



Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Renegade22
all id like not to have to participate is in the player to player combat
The problem is that you can't separate that from the other offensive acts you take against other players. Yes, you outmine the other guy. To combat this, he only has the option of blowing you up. You are trying to rob him of this option, which means restricting his gameplay and giving you an advantage that he cannot compensate for. This completely throws out any semblance of balance the game has and will pretty much break the game.

Everything you do affects everyone else. Therefore, everyone else must be able to affect you back, and they must be able to do so in ways where you don't have the advantage.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Renegade22
hey De'Veldrin completely didnt think of those sorts of exploits maybe then the best idea is a pve server? its the only way to avoid any of those sorts of exploits and confusion
im not in any way trying to say eve is flawed in my view because of pvp etc but as i said i place a little value on the items/ships i spend alot of time and rl money trying to obtain
maybe if ccp considered it they would see alot more people interested in the game as losing a ship can be a real turn off playing sometimes





The most serious issue with a PVE only server is that there would be no reason to PvE. No one would lose any ships or modules, so there would be no market factors driving production. PvE players and PvP players, despite the most rabid sychophants of both sides, cannot exist without one another. Both are necessary for the game to work, because it IS a sandbox.

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:37:00 - [24]
 

The concept of Eve is Risc & Reward - if you want to remove the risc you are removing everything Eve stands for... If you want to play Space Solitaire without interruption you can play the game as intended and EARN it.

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:48:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:34:38

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:52:00 - [26]
 

After years in EVE I can tell you that a PvP on/off button is the one thing which will get abused the most.

I will turn off my PvP option on an alt and I have the perfect spy for any situation. He/she can't be attacked but heck, the information that alt can gather anywhere is more valuable than anything else.

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:54:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:35:06

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.25 13:58:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Renegade22
theres plenty of other mmos where pve doesnt effect the popularity of it
…and EVE is not a part of that subset of games.

PvP is as much a requirement here as it is in Counter Strike — without the PvP, the game would simply cease to exist. It would be something completely different from EVE (and there are plenty of games that will fit the bill here), and for that reason, EVE cannot turn into that game.


If you want that gameplay, then those plentiful other games are what you're looking for, not EVE.

Renegade22
Posted - 2011.08.25 14:03:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Renegade22 on 26/08/2011 03:34:10


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.25 14:14:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 25/08/2011 14:14:55
Originally by: Renegade22
ah but theres nothing like eve without the pvp
That's because EVE can't exist without it. It comes inherently and indivisibly with the concept.
Quote:
if they were to make a pve server
…they would have to create a completely new game from the bottom up. Something that is not EVE. Some art assets might carry over, but pretty much everything else would have to be rewritten. This would be detrimental because it would pull resources away from an already resource-strapped EVE.

Again: that is really the core of the matter — you don't want to play EVE. I would suggest you go look at X3 instead.


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