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Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.08.24 11:52:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Reppyk on 24/08/2011 11:57:56
Edited by: Reppyk on 24/08/2011 11:55:02
Edited by: Reppyk on 24/08/2011 11:54:53
My dear capsuleers,
It's not a new idea, I know.

I read the devblog and saw that CCP aren't that happy how fleet fights are done.

Let's see the facts :

- The FC (and eventually the 1/2/3 target callers) are the only ones making decisions in a fight.
Grunts only follow the broadcasts and push F1-F2-F3 to pewpew/rep. The only exception I see are the dictors/HICs and the bombers.
- If the fight is big enough, most of the DPS is wasted following the broadcasts and locking the targets. You could have 2x more maels/badons you can't kill **** faster.
- There are two ways of winning a fleet fight : more pilots (blob) or better ships (SCs). A blob of supercapitals should have many drawbacks, but a few of them supporting subcaps sounds perfectly fine.
- The squad/wing/fleet thing is mostly useless, since you're only following the FC, and it's not even a good idea to have him a booster/commander. Nobody gives a **** about its "squad members".
- If the fight is big enough, any subcaps will be alpha'ed (arty or not). You could be an ~elite pro pvper~ and you will still die in 2s because the ennemy FC said your name.
- The only thing that matters are the primaries. The 99% remaining ships are floating around in space, somewhat pewpewing in calm.

PROPOSAL

1/ Fleet members CANNOT broadcast targets.
Only fleet commanders, wing commanders and squad commanders can broadcast targets. Squad commanders can only broadcast targets for their own squad.

2/ The duration of a particular locking is INCREASED for every other current lock attempts (example below, if it's not that clear. Basically more people locking someone = lower scan res).

3/ Your squad members (and the squad commander) don't increase your locking time.
The malus is halved if you're trying to lock somebody that have been broadcasted by your wing commander.

EFFECTS

Battlefields could become a skirmish paradise, with an hundred squads chasing each other.
You still can alpha/blob, but you must : defend your fleet/wing commanders, or have very clear comms and people ready to find the names in the overview. And you will have a longer time to lock the ennemy ships.
But with such a shift in pvp warfare (going from a "destroy this ship, then this one, etc" to a "we're shooting 10 ships at this moment with our 15-squads fleet"), will the RR become too strong ? I doubt it, because if someone requests RR and every logistic ships from his fleet try to lock him, well good luck saving him in time. Wink
SC blob vs subcaps ? The subcaps don't even need a broadcast ("shoot Shadoo's leviathan" should be enough) and a longer locking time don't really matter. But if 20 nyxes are trying to lock that poor harbinger, well... Take your time (WTB shadow serpentis sebo Wink ).
Note that titans can still murder a subcap fleet with DDs at ease, but that's :CCP:'s fault.

EXAMPLE and PICTURES

I'm in Band of Goons, in my nice meta2 dreak (a powerful battledestroyer).
Our fleet
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My lovely leader made some decisions :
- 5 wings, we need broadcasts (otherwise we are terrible, they say)
- but most of our strength is in one wing, which will do the job. The other wings will welp and shoot random targets, but can help to alpha ****s/gank a capital with a broadcast.

We're fighting the evil coalition of TITANdot.
They have some dreak meatshields and a bunch of Licorns (it's a space poney but 10x stronger than a dreak, the only drawback is the low scan res).

It's a lot different
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- They have 3 squads, each completely independant. Since they are good and serious at this game, it works well for them.

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.08.24 11:54:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Reppyk on 24/08/2011 12:01:41
Edited by: Reppyk on 24/08/2011 12:01:04
Edited by: Reppyk on 24/08/2011 11:58:23
I'm in the battle, lazers everywhere, great.
- I could lock a random target and shoot it (until it dies). I'm the only one locking him, full scan res [SCAN RES 0]
- My dear squad commander Colonel Freeze really wants us to kill that dreak, yes this one. He broadcasts it, 11 dreaks are shooting it with full scan res (because we're all in the same squad, good job bros) [SCAN RES 0].
- We got the evil dreak, but it was difficult. We team with the Wing1Squad2 to kill another draek. 22 people try to lock him, but we got all got a malus (the 11 other dudes which aren't in my squad) [SCAN RES -11].
- My wing commander Omiga is calling us ****s because we lost time locking that dreak. The next one is broadcasted by him, W1S3 and W1S2 shooting at will ! The malus is halved because it's my wing commander and even he always says I'm bad at this game I like him very very much. [SCAN RES -5.5]
- The fleet co Mettins wants us to kill one of this licorn, saying that they are "armor hacks". I don't get it but I followed the comm order (he didn't broadcast because he got blackscreened again, maybe it's the "hack" ?) and start locking him. 105 pilots are trying to lock this licorn (even the logis, they are such km*****s with their civilan watergun !). It's not that efficient but once locked, the licorn went down very fast. In facts, almost faster than we locked it, meh. [SCAN RES -95] Next time we'll lock&shoot 2 different licorns in the same time.
- While shooting the licorn, I saw a dreak near us. I know that it's gonna become the new target of the W1S2/W1S3 team. I lock him very fast (no one was locking him at this moment) [SCAN RES 0]. When the licorn dies, the guys in the W1S2 will lock him a bit faster, because I'm no more trying to lock him. Hey, we got a small advantage because I made a smart decision and managed wisely my targets [SCAN RES -5].
- Colonel Freeze is being shot ! Ohnoz my squad commander ! Omiga saw it, and made an important decision : he broadcasted his squad commander, allowing the logis in the W1S4 & W1S5 to lock Colonel Freeze a bit faster (since they are in the same wing). But we're terrible well I was listening a nice song and not the comms and well I got the killmail because hmmm my finger well pressed F1 F2 F3. He's a bit mad. :( Omiga said later it's something he saw this in a cool Rooks and Queens video but well it doesn't work with us.

Etc, etc.

CHARTS'n'NUMBERS

So, what could be this scan resolution penalty ?
It must be logarithmic (or at least square root).
The maximum reduction should NOT be more than 25% (otherwise all the fleet wars will become a nightmare).
We should see it when another squad (11 pilots) is locking the same target, but not that much of an effect (75%).
Excel madz skillz
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Note that it doesn't include the 50% bonus while following a wing broadcast.


BENEFITS

You're not a nameless grunt.
You're a pilot in a space warmachine and your skills WILL help your squad. Your small squad is an important piece of your wing, and then the fleet. Your acts will hav---- what eh CCP told me a single merlin can destroy an alliance you know eh.

You need good tacklers when gate camping. A blob of 30 dreaks sitting on a gate will NOT catch a lonely dreak if they all try to lock him.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.24 12:31:00 - [3]
 

I'd be more interested in the proposal if the ship names were spelt properly...

as it stands, I'm on the fence.

Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.08.24 12:52:00 - [4]
 

It's on purpose. Neutral
Btw I don't know any "battledestroyer".

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.24 14:24:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Reppyk
It's on purpose. Neutral


bad move -- just makes you look 12, and lowers people's support for the issue at hand ...

Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.08.24 14:44:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Velicitia
bad move -- just makes you look 12, and lowers people's support for the issue at hand ...
Two useless inputs ; please consider the option to get out, thanks. Wink

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.24 15:34:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Reppyk
Originally by: Velicitia
bad move -- just makes you look 12, and lowers people's support for the issue at hand ...
Two useless inputs ; please consider the option to get out, thanks. Wink



Shocked was trying to help you look less retarded.

The idea might have gained some support ...

Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.08.25 08:34:00 - [8]
 

To the top ! Wink

chanteel
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.26 18:30:00 - [9]
 

This was also a post idea by Ris Dnalor.

+1 to any idea like it

Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:04:00 - [10]
 

the thread

The main idea is the same, yeah, but mine's doesn't affect the sig radius (which could be abused with a third "neutral" fleet) and is (I hope) a bit simplier.


 

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