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Jovian Strain
Caldari
Assisted Genocide
Unprovoked Aggression
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:12:00 - [241]
 

I think supers should not be able to touch subcaps. In the real world, large ships always had escorts to protect them from smaller more mobile threats like submarines or torpedo bombers.

Thus, a subcapital fight should be won prior to use of supers and the supers shouldn't decide the outcome of these subcap fights. Supers should be good are murdering other supers and sov grinding, not subcaps targets. In the end, within reason, skills should be able to overcome capital heavy fleet (even if the supercaps manage to get away).


Centra Spike
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.30 18:26:00 - [242]
 

~IN THE REAL WORLD~

ShogunChaosMK2
Amarr
Ixion Defence Systems
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:10:00 - [243]
 

Make bombers have an ECM bomb ( much like procussion bombs) that can jam supers

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:26:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: ShogunChaosMK2
Make bombers have an ECM bomb ( much like procussion bombs) that can jam supers drone bandwidth, severing their connection to the SC until scooped.


What do you think of that change?

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:27:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: Jovian Strain
I think supers should not be able to touch subcaps.




Fair enough, I think if supers can't touch sub caps, a fair trade is that subcaps can't touch supers either.


Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:36:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Jovian Strain
I think supers should not be able to touch subcaps.




Fair enough, I think if supers can't touch sub caps, a fair trade is that subcaps can't touch supers either.




v0v Would be only fair. Care to negotiate whether supers can hit structures?

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:45:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Metal Dude on 30/08/2011 21:23:38

Originally by: Suitonia

There is nothing more hilarious than Metal Dude whining about blobs and napfests while being in the alliance with the current biggest napfest and blob in the game.



I was *****ing about blobs for 5 fkn years. When I was on the receiving end of the blob, you tools kept saying "get more friends". Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you whine "You have the biggest napfest". Sounds to me that you have a problem with blobs or with supers only when it's you on the receiving end, but when you benefit from it, it's fkn OK. I, on the other hand never liked or stopped complaining about the blob regardless of the side I'm on.

Eliminate alliances and standings, limit corps to 500 and lets have 500 vs 500 duke it out, Titans and all. That kind of a fight would be awesome and what this game should be about, not 2000 noobs packed in to a lagged system where whomever is in system or loads grid first wins.


Dragon Outlaw
Gallente
BOAE INC
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:53:00 - [248]
 

I think CCP should just reset Eve. Every characters restarts in an NPC corp at 0 skillpoints with just a noob ship and a noob turret. All sovs in 0.0 dropped and free for the taking. All player built stations gone...and so on...

YEP! Just think about it... Smile



...wait a minute guys...the phone is ringing...oh its CCP!..yes...han-han...yeah......hmmm.....excellent!....next patch?......cool!!

Done deal guys...they liked the idea!!YARRRR!!

Shamad Conde
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:14:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Jovian Strain
I think supers should not be able to touch subcaps.




Fair enough, I think if supers can't touch sub caps, a fair trade is that subcaps can't touch supers either.




SubCaps should not be able to touch SuperCaps or Deployable Structures.

Wink

boliano
Caldari
Fallen Angel's
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:38:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Viribus
y the only people in this thred defedning stupidcaps r the dudes hu hav a bunch of them

scrubs afraid of figthing in REAL SHIPS cant even 1v1 like REAL pvpers

cant wait 4 nerf pathetic legion shud change name to 'coloncrucified hurt feelings alliance' ahed of time

Well before supercaps i think PL did quite well at destroying much larger fleets then there own, When they were the ones fighting against blobs and winning. Now that they have alot of titans and supers no one likes them for blobbing. But other entitys did this also and they were the blobs.
So basicly if ur not part of the blob or have been ravaged by them, ur gonna cry, same old eve.

0August0
Gallente
Gooch Unlimited
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:40:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Dragon Outlaw
I think CCP should just reset Eve. Every characters restarts in an NPC corp at 0 skillpoints with just a noob ship and a noob turret. All sovs in 0.0 dropped and free for the taking. All player built stations gone...and so on...

YEP! Just think about it... Smile



...wait a minute guys...the phone is ringing...oh its CCP!..yes...han-han...yeah......hmmm.....excellent!....next patch?......cool!!

Done deal guys...they liked the idea!!YARRRR!!


The shock waves from all the nerd heads exploding would be measurable on the Richter scale.

Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente
Rim Worlds Republic
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:49:00 - [252]
 

Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 30/08/2011 23:52:20
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Jovian Strain
I think supers should not be able to touch subcaps.




Fair enough, I think if supers can't touch sub caps, a fair trade is that subcaps can't touch supers either.




While im for a nerf to not be overpowered. Still, a cap ship/s should exist that are better for hitting subcaps then the rest, or are at-least able to. With dreads missing stationary targets at times, and caps only able to hit other caps what purpose do they serve other then hitting structures and other caps?

You have one class of ships require much more skills then the rest, and cost allot more, and they can only be used against themselves but other ships can be brought to bear against them but not the other way?

If we going real world examples, big ship guns while mabey having trouble hiting small targets with big guns, that's what interceptors are for (Those big ship sized drones called fighters).

cap ships (or armaments) specialized for fighting caps/strucutes, and others for subcaps. Vise versia for subcaps. (stealth bombers, and maybe new ship). Have good old rock paper scissors.


Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:07:00 - [253]
 

I like it on how Eve news 24 there is a big article about how GSF and Co. used 200 rifters to put a titan into structure, and then polished off a Nyx.

Then the next article is about how OP SCs are.

Seriously? 10 billion isk or less in ships is able to kill over 100 billion isk in ships, and people are saying SCs are OP?

Alden Bazaar
Amarr
Krannon of Sherwood
Carthage Empires
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:21:00 - [254]
 

The only obvious answer is to release the Jove. Let them destroy all the titans and supercaps.

Thorian Baalnorn
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:28:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn


If i bring 300 BS to fight 200 Scarriers i should be able to get at least one Scarrier kill before those scarriers wipe out the entire fleet. 300 BS pushing 1000 DPS each wont even break a spider tank on 200 scarriers. In fact 50 of those could go home and your still more than safe.

To break a coordinated spider tank on 200 Scrarriers you would need 600 BS at 1000 DPS at least. And as soon as you lose a few you have 0 chance of breaking that tank and thats not going to take long with >2500 drones/fighters swarming the BSes.


All this happens in a perfect world

And a perfect world would allow all of those Sueprs to stay close enough together for your math to work.

Unfortunately this is EVE, and supers have a tendency to bounce, hard, and far, at HUGE ridiculous speeds that make a vagabond jealous. So if you brought 200 BS, and actually had the balls to engage the super blob you're so scared of, you WOULD in fact be able to kill one with simple patience and watching for that dummy in the Nyx who bumps.

Also stop replying to the Scotty Puff nerd, he's obviously butthurt that at some point or other PL has removed him from his home, and he's going to bitter post about a standings list he has no information about and whine and ***** because his alliance is poor.

NO BIG DEAL.


Your still missing circumventing the point. It doesnt matter if you got 200 or 100 or 50. As long as you got the biggest blob of supers no one else can counter you. Other ships can be countered with other ship types. AHac fleets, drake army, alpha fleet, sniper fleet, normal capital fleet,etc can all be countered with other ships types some more effectively than others. But with supers their are no counters but more supers or an insane number of normal ships.


This argument doesnt even matter. From what i hear CCP is already nerfing supers. The only way which current supers would be viable for the long term health of this game is:

a) if they were cheaper and easier to skill so more people could own one faster.
b) If they were limited in range from a home base say 15-20 LY and only being able to switch base locations say once a month( non stackable uses so you cant save up like 6 during summer and then go campaign with a blob of them).
c) If they were limited in how many could be in system at once.

None of which are particularly a good idea to do. It is just better to knock them down a few notches and make them like they were , of limited use.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.31 06:59:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 30/08/2011 21:23:38

Originally by: Suitonia

There is nothing more hilarious than Metal Dude whining about blobs and napfests while being in the alliance with the current biggest napfest and blob in the game.



I was *****ing about blobs for 5 fkn years. When I was on the receiving end of the blob, you tools kept saying "get more friends". Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you whine "You have the biggest napfest". Sounds to me that you have a problem with blobs or with supers only when it's you on the receiving end, but when you benefit from it, it's fkn OK. I, on the other hand never liked or stopped complaining about the blob regardless of the side I'm on.

Eliminate alliances and standings, limit corps to 500 and lets have 500 vs 500 duke it out, Titans and all. That kind of a fight would be awesome and what this game should be about, not 2000 noobs packed in to a lagged system where whomever is in system or loads grid first wins.




I've hardly ever been involved in any large or medium scale gangs. I've never been part of any serious sovereignty stuff. I've pretty much done solo/small gang stuff for 99% of my time in eve, save from flying a Guardian in a dozen PL fleets (which by no means were large, and were against 400 drakes while having 100 ourselves). I've never benefited from having a large blob, nor have I ever been part of a super capital fleet nor have I benefited from any actions from a super capital fleet, neither has my corporation or alliance.

Perhaps you saw my Alliance Ticker and thought I was in the hydra that died 3 years ago and your bitter rage took over?

I see you raging about blobs and how CCP should turn this sandbox game upside down and make it fixed 500 man corps (which totally wouldn't ever mean corporations just not shooting eachother) and/or some crazy instanced PvP. (The alliance tournament fills that niche pretty well and you didn't seem to do that well in this one).

Its a sandbox game. Your coalition owns almost 75% of the map, and has the means to take almost the rest of it. The game is in your hands, you could reset eachother right now and have some super awesome PvP that you described. Instead, you will blame CCP that you have the biggest naplist in EvE, and that the game isn't fun because you won't do anything about it.

The very same thing you criticized, flamed and smacked the NC about, when they didn't reset eachother during the "Jabber Crew" ERA when the original BoB/KenZoKu died.

ScheenK
Gallente
Constantine.
Posted - 2011.08.31 09:04:00 - [257]
 

The real way to solve this whole issue, is for the original bob corps, bnc, rkk, evol, ffleet, dice, to band back together under one name, no scrub corps like they did with IT, and have the original fc's back in there as well, and this game will go back to normal ugh

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.08.31 09:59:00 - [258]
 

The problem is obvious, the number of pilots who can fly and and own a supercap has been steadily increasing. Supercaps were fine as long as there were only a few of them in the battle. Now that the size of supercap fleets rivals subcap fleets, its obvious that CCP didn't plan enough for this eventuality, even though its been obvious for a long while.

Imo CCP should remove the chance of character selling and trading, so at least some supercap pilots would leave the game as those players stop playing. Doesn't do enough but at least its something.

Drift Spec
Minmatar
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.08.31 10:45:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Zey Nadar
so at least some supercap pilots would leave the game ...


Thats exacly what ccp is gonna do .

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.31 11:39:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: White Tree on 31/08/2011 11:40:03

Re: Supercap nerf bloobloobloo

http://i.imgur.com/lpH2w.gif

Image changed to URL. Zymurgist

Neurotica
Gallente
Abh Empire
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:33:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: Neurotica on 31/08/2011 12:35:03

Originally by: Zey Nadar
The problem is obvious, the number of pilots who can fly and and own a supercap has been steadily increasing. Supercaps were fine as long as there were only a few of them in the battle. Now that the size of supercap fleets rivals subcap fleets, its obvious that CCP didn't plan enough for this eventuality, even though its been obvious for a long while.


Agree.

Also note guyz limiting corp numbers and blue count, will only need a NAP list on paper rather than ingame, and wont change a thing.

If you use some real life comparisons, fleets didn't comprise of spams of carriers, dreadnoughts etc..

Alghara
Amarr
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.31 14:04:00 - [262]
 

Edited by: Alghara on 31/08/2011 14:05:54
Edited by: Alghara on 31/08/2011 14:04:50
Titan : Decrease the tracking of the guns (you can't hit some sub cap with this guns). Decrease the HP.

Mothership : Only one fighter bomber/ carrier level (Increase the resistance and DPS of this fighter) (lag problem).
Fighter bay (fighter / fighterbomber bay) same for all race can stock 10 fighter bomber max.
Drone bay 500 m3 max 5 drone outside.
Remove : remote ecm
Remove : All capital module ( capital transfert, capital remote armor /shield).
fighter bomber : Can hit sub cap.
Decrease the HP.

Dread : Siege mode 5m / 50% strong then now . Increase by 25 % de damage done on titan and mother ( signature radius more then capital damage * 1.25).

Carrier : fine

Also About dread and titan. Now they are a lot of problem with some racial weapons:

Capital Torpedo : not enough HP. Smartbomb can destroy them.
Capital laser and capital Hybrid : Problem with the capacity. The capacity to use this weapons most be in the ammo.

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Caldari
Specter Syndicate
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.31 14:25:00 - [263]
 

Whining detected! Call the waaahmbulace.

Indeterminacy
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.31 15:05:00 - [264]
 

I would just like to say that I'm am quite enjoying the tears over the pending and long overdue SC nerf. I also love the unironic posting from these small, elite alliances with disproportionate numbers of supers who have formed the largest coalition ever know to eve.

It's really just, amazing.

Centra Spike
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.31 15:46:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Indeterminacy
...who have formed the largest coalition ever know to eve.


Pretty sure you were in the largest coalition ever assembled in Eve, until you got left to die in Geminate.

It's really just amazing.

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:02:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
The game is in your hands, you could reset eachother right now and have some super awesome PvP that you described. Instead, you will blame CCP that you have the biggest naplist in EvE, and that the game isn't fun because you won't do anything about it.



If it was up to me, DICE would not even be in an alliance, but I'm just a grunt that don't make those decisions. ****, you think I like to be blue to people I love to smack with and be part of what I smack them about? But people will always adapt to the game mechanics, so it is up to CCP to encourage or discourage certain aspects of game play. You can't blame the players for adopting ffs. It's always the designers fault for allowing or encouraging broken mechanics, the main being huge NAPs. That's what you people should be *****ing about, but instead you whine about supers, which will not fix the problem, it will just cause even bigger blob of subcaps.


Capricorn 0ne
Caldari
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:47:00 - [267]
 

Edited by: Capricorn 0ne on 31/08/2011 16:50:00
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Suitonia
The game is in your hands, you could reset eachother right now and have some super awesome PvP that you described. Instead, you will blame CCP that you have the biggest naplist in EvE, and that the game isn't fun because you won't do anything about it.



If it was up to me, DICE would not even be in an alliance, but I'm just a grunt that don't make those decisions. ****, you think I like to be blue to people I love to smack with and be part of what I smack them about? But people will always adapt to the game mechanics, so it is up to CCP to encourage or discourage certain aspects of game play. You can't blame the players for adopting ffs. It's always the designers fault for allowing or encouraging broken mechanics, the main being huge NAPs. That's what you people should be *****ing about, but instead you whine about supers, which will not fix the problem, it will just cause even bigger blob of subcaps.




IF it was up to me, BROSKI would not even be in an alliance, but I'm just a autistic guy that don't make those decisions. Banana, you think I like to be red to people I love to whack with and be part of what I what them about? But people will never adapt to the game mechanics, so it is up to Us to encourage or allow certain aspects of **** play.(if you made it this far trolled hard) You can't blame the game dev's for adopting ffs. It's always the players fault for alloing or encouraging broken mechanics, the main being huge has browns. That's hat you people should be happy about, but instead you whine about pancakes, which ill not fix the hunger, it will just cause even bigger stack of hash browns.

:3

What happened borg alliance?

Thorian Baalnorn
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.08.31 20:11:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 31/08/2011 20:11:19
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Suitonia
The game is in your hands, you could reset eachother right now and have some super awesome PvP that you described. Instead, you will blame CCP that you have the biggest naplist in EvE, and that the game isn't fun because you won't do anything about it.



If it was up to me, DICE would not even be in an alliance, but I'm just a grunt that don't make those decisions. ****, you think I like to be blue to people I love to smack with and be part of what I smack them about? But people will always adapt to the game mechanics, so it is up to CCP to encourage or discourage certain aspects of game play. You can't blame the players for adopting ffs. It's always the designers fault for allowing or encouraging broken mechanics, the main being huge NAPs. That's what you people should be *****ing about, but instead you whine about supers, which will not fix the problem, it will just cause even bigger blob of subcaps.




Supers are only part of the problem. I agree. All of sov 0.0 warfare has gotten rather boring and tedious even without supers and blobs. The whole 0.0 sov system needs a complete rework. Alliances should have a difficult time holding 3-5 regions of space. Especially when they may only use 30-40 systems besides site scanning and moon mining. Racketeering (having renters or pets) should be discouraged, so more independent alliances big and small live in sov 0.0.
Smaller alliances should be able to defend themselves fairly well if they concentrate their efforts on an amount of systems relative to their size. Napfest should be discouraged at every possible turn. It should not be extremely beneficial to have friends that band and form napfest. It should not be needed for survivability either because napfest are always a result of the want to conquer a more powerful enemy or to defend against a more powerful enemy...or in the current political situation...to win eve.

The whole system is being reworked right now. Their have been blogs on the goals and threads posted by Greyscale in FID on various possible changes. Getting rid of Supers current ability is just the first and most needed step. At least with supers knocked down a notch we can play normal crappy sov warfare.

[sarcasm] Who's up for a few hours of structure pew pew? I know im excited![/sarcasm]

Morris Falter
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.08.31 21:10:00 - [269]
 

Super caps: They're just really, really, really, really dull.




Morris Falter
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.08.31 21:13:00 - [270]
 

..and remove max locked target nerf on dreads in siege. No wonder no one mentioned this, not like anyone flies dreads any more.


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