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boliano
Caldari
Fallen Angel's
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:12:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: LiMu Bai
Edited by: LiMu Bai on 24/08/2011 13:29:26
Originally by: Gotmah swaggaback

.......outmatched in hardware, you either need to fight smarter or GTFO.


How do you fight smarter vs. 40ish Titans?

Also ideas like new super-supercaps to kill supercaps Confused are misleading, since they also would be I-win buttons vs. subcaps.

From my pov NPC 0.0 space is currently spilling over of alliances which got kicked out of their homes by TEAM SUPERCAP. In few weeks there wont be any room left to breath, lol. North or South....ppl are everywhere abandoning their space and retreat into npc stations, cause it doesnt make any sense to resist vs. this superblob.

There are only 2 ways to end the misery:

1. Team Supercap un-naps each other and everybody starts to do their own stuff. -> This will probably never happen. They stick together for nearly 1.5 years now. They initially formed up and killed the Atlas-block and literally never stopped flying together, they even extended their bluelists and more supercap allies joined them. They will never stop doing "supercap-blobbing".

2. CCP acts. Like they always do if one ship/tactics is unbalanced and is over-used. -> This will probably work. I'd rather prefer useless supercaps (like pre-dominion) as POS ornaments, than having all of eve dominated by one coalition, just cause they can field hundrets supers. My favority is to nerf them that badly no one uses them anymore.



Ok so an nc player saying we need to stop being a blob. lol oh the irony..
Ok lets see, the drf does have more supers then the current enemy, yes. But when u figure all the alliances that were supposed to help aaa they can field some serious supers themselves.
Lets look at hed for instance.. Ok if AAA and co had been in system with there supers before us they would have had a sporting chance to hold the field once lag was present form the drf jumping in. And we know all too well all the turkey shoots that have taken place in eve due to this.... If u play eve and wont fight unless u know you can win or know u wont lose ur shiny toys then u shouldnt play. I hear they need miners in highsec...

RDevz
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:29:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Oscasre
Titans and Supers are fine .......... the problem is the number off them.

Increase the build requirements by x 10 and watch the numbers decline.


One of the myriad issues with this suggestion is that reducing the ability of people to get into supercaps, while not changing their efficacy, would have the net effect of making those power blocs who have already acquired an eye-watering number of the damn things even less susceptible to future hostilities.

Supercaps delenda est.

ChicksDigMagnets
Minmatar
Nasgul Collective
Cascade Probable
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:35:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Andski
Make supercaps either vulnerable to ewar or unable to receive tracking links and remote sensor boosts. Problem solved.


This. A thousand times this.

Supers are the only ships in the game INVULNERABLE to ewar. How does that make sense?

CCP should implement a dread that can ewar supers. Because that makes sense for a super to have a remote ECM burst but they can't be ECM'd themselves.

Psorion
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:37:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin

If you nerf supers to make sub caps 'matter again' (protip they matter now) then you need to re introduce the AOE DD so that sheer numbers aren't all that matters, again.

That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'


Its just the Crybaby Coalition being mad about flying rifters and T1 Battleships.

Oh and the OP is wrong on the influence map.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png



Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:39:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: boliano

Ok so an nc player saying we need to stop being a blob. lol oh the irony..



The NC is dead.

Anuqet
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:59:00 - [36]
 

lets make blob beat everything like it has for the last 8 years

Ammon Dei
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:02:00 - [37]
 

Played several other sand box games. The servers in the end always end up the same.

Large group forms alliance, and starts to wipe out the majority of their competition. The rest of the server bands together to form a counter to the Large Alliance. The server ends up in a 2 sided war where 1/2 the server on one side and 1/2 the server on the other side.

The winning side pushes the other side so hard that many of them quit playing said game. And the population of the server goes down. The Winning Large alliance group has no targets and they many people too. The large alliance splits up and we rinse and repeat.

The end result is less people playing the game, and large tracks of unoccupied territory with virtually nothing moving in it.

THIS is what is currently happening in Eve. Game mechanics may contribute but it always ends up 1 side vs another side. With a winner and a loser. And less population on the server.

SO, enjoy Eve while we can, FYI plenty of small fights to be had in Faction Warfare.

Centra Spike
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:04:00 - [38]
 

Hey Genos, I'm still waiting for you to give us back Laedy.

Ilvari
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:09:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
If you nerf supers to make sub caps 'matter again' (protip they matter now) then you need to re introduce the AOE DD so that sheer numbers aren't all that matters, again.

That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'


So if a small number of high-hp things are overpowered compared to a large number of low-hp things, your solution is to exchange single target damage for more AoE?

what

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:17:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ilvari
Originally by: Grath Telkin
If you nerf supers to make sub caps 'matter again' (protip they matter now) then you need to re introduce the AOE DD so that sheer numbers aren't all that matters, again.

That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'


So if a small number of high-hp things are overpowered compared to a large number of low-hp things, your solution is to exchange single target damage for more AoE?

what


Your opinion doesn't count, you want your 7000 man alliance to be able to just stuff a system to the brink of collapse and call it a day, you aren't actually worried about game balance, and telling yourself otherwise is just silly and self deception.


I'm sorry we had that, and it sucked balls, CCP changed it a bit and now a smaller group can compete with a 7000 man behemoth (as long as grogoth isn't fcing) and it ****es you guys off.

You had the money
You had the space
You had the chance.


You bought maelstroms instead of Nyx's, and now you're angry about it.

A bloo bloo bloo

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:24:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Centra Spike
Hey Genos, I'm still waiting for you to give us back Laedy.


Laedy is being held as collotoral for the return of Gobbins, Fmercury and Nrom Gustav.

Will use Chribba.

Klausan
Minmatar
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:25:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ilvari
Originally by: Grath Telkin
If you nerf supers to make sub caps 'matter again' (protip they matter now) then you need to re introduce the AOE DD so that sheer numbers aren't all that matters, again.

That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'


So if a small number of high-hp things are overpowered compared to a large number of low-hp things, your solution is to exchange single target damage for more AoE?

what


Your opinion doesn't count, you want your 7000 man alliance to be able to just stuff a system to the brink of collapse and call it a day, you aren't actually worried about game balance, and telling yourself otherwise is just silly and self deception.


I'm sorry we had that, and it sucked balls, CCP changed it a bit and now a smaller group can compete with a 7000 man behemoth (as long as grogoth isn't fcing) and it ****es you guys off.

You had the money
You had the space
You had the chance.


You bought maelstroms instead of Nyx's, and now you're angry about it.

A bloo bloo bloo


Taken 2 the ownzone.

Butcher Bien
Amarr
Black Aces Mining Div
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:27:00 - [43]
 

Why not make Titan DD 30 or 45 minutes between fires. 10 minutes is to frequent. Imagine 20 titans on field against a 200 man BS fleet. Add the dps from the titan turrets to DDing 20 BS every 10 minutes and well....it would be a raping.

Tappits
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:27:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Centra Spike
Hey Genos, I'm still waiting for you to give us back Laedy.


Laedy is being held as collotoral for the return of Gobbins, Fmercury and Nrom Gustav.

Will use Chribba.


You will never get our gobbins, you cannot win everything.

How about we just give you a grogoth and call it quits.

Centra Spike
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:31:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Centra Spike
Hey Genos, I'm still waiting for you to give us back Laedy.


Laedy is being held as collotoral for the return of Gobbins, Fmercury and Nrom Gustav.

Will use Chribba.


I will trade you Fmercury for a Vangel.

Cynthia Ysolde
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:37:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Centra Spike
Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Centra Spike
Hey Genos, I'm still waiting for you to give us back Laedy.


Laedy is being held as collotoral for the return of Gobbins, Fmercury and Nrom Gustav.

Will use Chribba.


I will trade you Fmercury for a Vangel.


**** that we'll trade you a centra spike for you also taking grogoth

Centra Spike
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:42:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Cynthia Ysolde

**** that we'll trade you a centra spike for you also taking grogoth


Why don't you join NEWS about it.

Cpt Tunguska
Minmatar
In for the Kill
Scooty Puff Junior Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:46:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin

That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'


lolwut? Why is pl always so special? We ARE still at a point where "XXX number of ships means you win".

f.e. 234 Titans still means, you win. And thats exactly the problem. I see we agree.

If you really think the side with the biggest subcap numbers always wins, you dont have a clue about eve. There are always alot of options to win subcap fights or even capfights. In contrast there arent any options if you face 40 DDs per 10 minutes, backed up with 100 supercarriers.

Everyone knows that, except pl obviously. Dont blame other for your insufficient subcapital performance & expierience.

Ilvari
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:47:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin

You had the money
You had the space
You had the chance.


That's not an argument for game balance, but an obituary for a sandbox MMO.

Cynthia Ysolde
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:52:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Cynthia Ysolde on 24/08/2011 18:56:27
Originally by: Cpt Tunguska
Originally by: Grath Telkin

That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'


lolwut? Why is pl always so special? We ARE still at a point where "XXX number of ships means you win".

f.e. 234 Titans still means, you win. And thats exactly the problem. I see we agree.

If you really think the side with the biggest subcap numbers always wins, you dont have a clue about eve. There are always alot of options to win subcap fights or even capfights. In contrast there arent any options if you face 40 DDs per 10 minutes, backed up with 100 supercarriers.

Everyone knows that, except pl obviously. Dont blame other for your insufficient subcapital performance & expierience.


If you're willing to fight PL in subcaps with you outnumbered we'll beat you every single time. Doesn't matter what shiptypes you wanna bring, we'll win, because we're better than you. Subcaps are the same as supers.

-If there are no options vs. 40 titans and 100+ supercarriers, why is the NC dead?

shut the f*ck up you no-name bad

Originally by: Ilvari
Originally by: Grath Telkin

You had the money
You had the space
You had the chance.


That's not an argument for game balance, but an obituary for a sandbox MMO.


eve is and has always been imbalanced. There has been no time in the past 6 years when having more supercapitals than the opponent has been a bad thing.

If you're too stupid to realize this, then I don't really know what to say. In your sandbox there are still constants, and just because its a sandbox game doesn't mean that every playstyle is appropriate for every situation.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:55:00 - [51]
 

When the supercap nerf happens I will use your tears to salt my fries you babbies.

Cpt Tunguska
Minmatar
In for the Kill
Scooty Puff Junior Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:59:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Cynthia Ysolde


-If there are no options vs. 40 titans and 100+ supercarriers, why is the NC dead?

shut the f*ck up you no-name bad


NC never had remotly those crazy numbers. 100 (!) SC and 40 Titans...It looks like youre describing the typical low skill pl+rus supercapblob of guaranteed victory.

And pl:
Goof job in VFK/Deklein ....OhwaitCool

Cynthia Ysolde
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 18:59:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: White Tree
When the supercap nerf happens I will use your tears to salt my fries you babbies.


until then, i'll use yours to salt the entire ****ing ocean of the planet

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:01:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Cpt Tunguska

NC never had remotly those crazy numbers. 100 (!) SC and 40 Titans...It looks like youre describing the typical low skill pl+rus supercapblob of guaranteed victory.





You're an idiot, they easily had twice those numbers.

Limas Nyx
Gallente
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:05:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Cpt Tunguska

NC never had remotly those crazy numbers. 100 (!) SC and 40 Titans...It looks like youre describing the typical low skill pl+rus supercapblob of guaranteed victory.





You're an idiot, they easily had twice those numbers.


hahaha yes ofc Rolling Eyes Revisionist history par exellence...you should apply to Col. Ghadaffi, he might want to hire you.....ohwait Razz

This PL.....err Supercapnerf will be delishous.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:12:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Limas Nyx

hahaha yes ofc Rolling Eyes Revisionist history par exellence...you should apply to Col. Ghadaffi, he might want to hire you.....ohwait Razz

This PL.....err Supercapnerf will be delishous.


Somebody will root through the forum mirror (or i'll grab imperian and hold him down and tickle him till he tells me) but MM had more supercarries alone listed than his petty 100 number, that doesn't count any of the rest of the NC members.

I mean, they were your forums, you could always go get the list yourself right?

Some how i doubt you'll do that though.

I guess its a stretch to ask you to do anything based in reality though, especially since you're the group that said the DRF was selling their renter income then buying isk to get supers with, and every other lame ass story you made up during the northern war.

Its not our fault that we hunted your super pilots until they were too scared to log in and fight us, strange though, you are getting some really sweet numbers down in Delve from your super pilots, and you SO don't mind dropping them on fights to assure your victory.

Limas Nyx
Gallente
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:19:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin



Somebody will root through the forum mirror (or i'll grab imperian and hold him down and tickle him till he tells me) but MM had more supercarries alone listed than his petty 100 number, that doesn't count any of the rest of the NC members.




Dont tell stories, evemail me a valid kb link which shows WHOLE NC ever fielded more than 100 supercaps. Youre so used to epic supercap blobs that you lost touch with reality.

And if you really think pl SCARED ppl to a point they dont logged in anymore, you must be living in some kind of parallel universe. I feel so sorry for you, but I dont really know how to help :(

Cynthia Ysolde
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:25:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Cynthia Ysolde on 24/08/2011 19:35:14
Edited by: Cynthia Ysolde on 24/08/2011 19:25:23
Originally by: Limas Nyx
Originally by: Grath Telkin



Somebody will root through the forum mirror (or i'll grab imperian and hold him down and tickle him till he tells me) but MM had more supercarries alone listed than his petty 100 number, that doesn't count any of the rest of the NC members.




Dont tell stories, evemail me a valid kb link which shows WHOLE NC ever fielded more than 100 supercaps. Youre so used to epic supercap blobs that you lost touch with reality.

And if you really think pl SCARED ppl to a point they dont logged in anymore, you must be living in some kind of parallel universe. I feel so sorry for you, but I dont really know how to help :(



http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9161850

20 titans, 98 supers.

Battle Summary for O2O-2X, 2011-03-20
If the KB link is deleted, just look at that system on that date and tell me that
sup
and that was before goons or any of the so-called "dc" were even involved.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:25:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/08/2011 19:25:23
Originally by: Limas Nyx
Dont tell stories, evemail me a valid kb link which shows WHOLE NC ever fielded more than 100 supercaps. Youre so used to epic supercap blobs that you lost touch with reality.


I didn't say you had fielded more than 100 super caps, i said you HAD more than 100.

I doubt you could even link a killmail with 100 PL super cap pilots on it, even though we're well over 200 and closing fast on 300


EDIT: LOLOLOLOL you got owned by Cynthia


Originally by: Limas Nyx
And if you really think pl SCARED ppl to a point they dont logged in anymore, you must be living in some kind of parallel universe. I feel so sorry for you, but I dont really know how to help :(



I hope you plan to back this up next week when we land in delve Razz

I mean, you didn't fight in Tribute at all, and you're sorely lacking the other 400 dudes you needed to ever face us before, I'd hate for this quote to make you look like a hurf blurfing jackass next week.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.24 19:31:00 - [60]
 

Grath, do you need a hug or something? You seem really mad. Is running away crying from Deklein affecting you that much?

Here. *hug* Feel better, bggy.


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