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Lilith Ishanoya
Lai Dai Shipments
Posted - 2011.08.23 11:27:00 - [1]
 

I haven't been in WH space for a long time and the only PVE experience I've had with it is in a C5 with proper logistics and capitals. I'm with a small group atm and we have plans to do a simple WH PVE run in either C2 or C3, the plan is probably to use BCs or the like.

Thing is that the character I want to use for it is a drone specialist and has no viable turret/missile skills so I'm kinda worried about being useful there. Are droneboats viable/useful in C3 PVE runs when done in a small group? Are there ways to make it work (better)?

Also, in regards to tanking C3s in a small group; what kind of omni tank figure should I be looking at?


Any help is very much appreciated.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.08.23 12:36:00 - [2]
 

People are going to come in and tell you that drones are useless in wormholes.

They'll whine and rage about how drones get alpha'd the second you launch them. How sleepers aggressively target them, and nothing else.

It's all BS. I've been living in a C2 with a C3 static for 2 years. My main flies a dominix, with 1 turret fitted for getting attention. I can count the number of drones I have lost to sleepers on one hand.

Stupid people lose drones. As long as you pay attention, and pull them in when they start getting shot, you'll be fine. And if you're using sentries, it's even easier. You just tell the one that is getting attacked to return, and you don't lose all your dps.

Happy hunting.

Derath Ellecon
Posted - 2011.08.23 13:09:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Dorian Wylde
People are going to come in and tell you that drones are useless in wormholes.

They'll whine and rage about how drones get alpha'd the second you launch them. How sleepers aggressively target them, and nothing else.

It's all BS. I've been living in a C2 with a C3 static for 2 years. My main flies a dominix, with 1 turret fitted for getting attention. I can count the number of drones I have lost to sleepers on one hand.

Stupid people lose drones. As long as you pay attention, and pull them in when they start getting shot, you'll be fine. And if you're using sentries, it's even easier. You just tell the one that is getting attacked to return, and you don't lose all your dps.

Happy hunting.


Sleepers will target drones. How often seems to vary greatly.

I was in a C2 for awhile and the drone aggro was not horrible. The biggest issue I had in a C2 was my ship at the time (a myrmidon) just didn't have the range to effectively take on most of the sites. The first wave would be fine, but then the second wave would be a BS with 2 cruisers that spawned like 75KM away. It was just extremely difficult taking them down solo. I am sure my LVL 4 sentry mission domi could have done it easily.

I am now in a C1 (I am still a new char) and do fine in my Myrmidon. I will say that my drones get targeted much more aggressively in this C1. There seem to be some factors that change the amount.

1. Solo my drones get attached a lot. I'd say at least once every time a sleeper dies. It is borderline annoying but manageable.
2. With someone else (I have an alt that can now fly a drake) I find that my drones get targetting far less often.
3. Sleepers target my sentries almost never.

That being said, I have yet to lose a drone. But I do have to fit a remote armor and hull repper periodically and fix up the little guys.

Lilith Ishanoya
Lai Dai Shipments
Posted - 2011.08.23 13:44:00 - [4]
 

Thanks for the replies so far, would something like this work out in a small group?

[Ishtar, WH]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.23 13:51:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lilith Ishanoya
Thanks for the replies so far, would something like this work out in a small group?

[Ishtar, WH]




Yes. Add some small rep drones, you fleet-mates will thank you.

Centurin
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:33:00 - [6]
 

I would just fly a Gila with that fit.

Zallean Amethal
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:34:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Nomad Vherokic
Originally by: Lilith Ishanoya
Thanks for the replies so far, would something like this work out in a small group?

[Ishtar, WH]




Yes. Add some small rep drones, you fleet-mates will thank you.


Seconding this, rep drones are a big help. Even if you rarely use them, you'll be happy to have them, as well as anyone with you.

Jiska Ensa
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:44:00 - [8]
 

I've been in a class 3 for the last year or so now. Used everything from Myrmidons up to carriers. It's been my observation that sleepers switch aggro between the 2 or three most threatening vessels. If I only use one ship, they WILL kill all the drones off. If I use two or more, they'll ignore the drones (except the frigates, but I suspect that's because you've turned your guns off and are no longer a threat. I find if I just leave my guns firing at them they'll still ignore the drones, even if I can't hit them).

Also, they seem to bother sentry drones less then other kinds. But that may be because sentry drones pose no threat to the frigates.

Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:55:00 - [9]
 

U can use drones in C2 with no probs as soon as you will get the idea of their aggro behavior. C3 - no idea as i solo WH most of the time and its not worth it to solo C3 imo.

Roime
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.23 15:19:00 - [10]
 


[Dominix, C3 duo]

Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Target Painter II

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warrior II x5

Two of these kill C3s without a sweat, sentries never get targeted. Overtanks (usually only one repper is needed), uber cap stable perma running those both reppers, survives even under neuting. Bouncers for far away targets, Gardes for close range, Hobs for frigs. Rest are for PvP, one you might want to fit a scram instead of the painter. Works also with T1 reppers, but T2 cap transfer is required for stability.

Something similar might work with Ishtar, Myrm is a bit lacking in the bandwidth department to be used with sentries.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.23 15:47:00 - [11]
 

I use 10 sentries on 2 ships in a c3 and I lose maybe one drone per billion of income, maybe less. C1's seem to target drones a lot. C3's are almost no drone agro at all.

xenodia
Gallente
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE
Posted - 2011.08.23 18:32:00 - [12]
 

Drone boats arent totally useless in WH, but they are less effective than missile boats or turret boats. If you are careful and observant, you wont really lose too many drones, but they do require a lot of micromanagement, and unless youre using sentries, you will lose a lot of DPS when youre constantly recalling and launching drones.

This mainly applies to sites with frigates though, as cruisers and especially battleships tend to leave drones alone. So in C1s or some C2 sites, which have lots of frigates, drones will get eaten alive. But on the bigger sites, you will get more opportunities to be useful.


Modikus
Posted - 2011.08.23 18:40:00 - [13]
 

i use drones as chaff. Normally i don't need them but if i ever get in that situation where i do, just launching them to create a distraction for maybe 30 seconds. Takes some DPS off you. I wouldn't rely on them as your main DPS though, always having to micro manage if you don't want to loose them.


 

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