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Alex Warhammer
Posted - 2011.08.23 10:28:00 - [1]

Hey , so at the moment I'm using a Tristian with 1 launcher and 1 turret , a missile launcher I (or some varient) and a 150mm compressed rail , and the mid and low slots are based for pvp. I normally go out with my corp to low sec for mining but most of my corp mate that started around the same time as me have gone frigate > destroyer while I'm planning to go frigate > frig T2 > cruiser , although this means I'm lacking behind in a lot of our ops. Should I ditch the cruiser idea and go destroyer or keep at it?

Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.08.23 10:58:00 - [2]

Edited by: foksieloy on 23/08/2011 10:58:26
I'd say for the beginning time, ditch the t2 frigate idea and go for t1 cruiser/battlecruiser.

Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.23 11:45:00 - [3]

bigger does not mean better in EVE.

If you want a T2 frig, go for it (though it's a long train for Frig 5...).

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:08:00 - [4]

Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 23/08/2011 14:09:57

If the issue is - that you are not able to work as well with your mates because you are using a different ship type - then using the same ship type as they are might be what you want to do.

Here - it's going to depend on what type of operations they are doing. A group of ships that are all of the same type is going to perform differently than one of mixed types - simply because of the different characteristics of the ships.

Moving to a cruiser or T2 ship - could leave you with the same problem if these ships performance is substantially different than that of your mates. Right now - you may be worse than they are - get a better ship and you may be better than they are - but you will still be different.

Whether any of that matters - again - depends on the way your mates operate.


Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.08.23 15:39:00 - [5]

Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Yarble garble garble

I really did wonder when you would stick your head into a thread related to PVP, but even I didn't forsee the trainwreck being this bad.

"It's either the same or it's better or it's the same but it depends?"

Holy crap! The possibilities.

Anyway, OP:

What are these "OPs" that you describe? Pure PVP roams.. Pure mining OPs in lowsec.. Mining OPs with people "flying cover"?

There are two problems here:

1) Mining in lowsec is pretty much pointless. You may earn extra ISK per cycle of your lasers, due to better ore, but how long are you able to keep them running for? Chances are, you'll get company soon enough, and need to bail those barges to safety. Which is where issue 2 comes in:
2) If you are flying cover, what do you expect a handful of T1 frigs and Destroyers to protect you from? The answer, is not much.

If you are running a pure PVP op, then rest assured that either a T1 frigate or T1 cruiser is going to outperform most AF's in terms of target selection, than a destroyer.

Slap a plate on a Vexor, and have some fun. Try to convince your corpies to hop into cruisers, or ship down into tackle/DPS/EWAR frigates. There are only a few uses for a destroyer, almost none for the catalyst.

If you want to mine for a decent income, and you're not risk adverse, scan down some wormholes (lowsec is a good place to look, as they usually point to WH systems that are less populated) and run a mining fleet into a WH. You'll swap belt ores for grav sites, which will usually contain ABC ores, worth about 2-3x the ISK/hr of highsec mining.

There are better guides on doing this than I could rattle out here.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.23 15:47:00 - [6]

Edited by: E man Industries on 23/08/2011 15:50:01
Edited by: E man Industries on 23/08/2011 15:48:56
Do what you like.

that said destroyers are great for lower skill point pilots and let you get up some support skills. Cruisers are also very very nice and offer a wide variety of ships. they also lead into battle cruisers. Battle cruisers offer a lot and make up a large portion of low sec ships.

If you do want to stick with frigates have a job in mind. frigates are often tackle and support your fleet mates. Getting an interceptor to pin down enemies and prevent them from running is always good.

But this option is far more play skill orientated and you will die a lot more. You also lack the bigger ships to use in PvE so isk may become an issue.

My suggestion is if you really really want to fly frigates and help your it. but focus on your support skills and use t1 frigates. The icurus and tristan both have 3 mid slots and are good tacklers. the diffrence between these and the t2 ships is not that large. These cheaper ships will let you lose more while you learn to fly them. Also the support skills will also help you no matter what ship type you do eventually deside to train.

With good support skills you are better of in a t1 frigate than in a t2 frigate and poor support skills.

Also your fit confuses me. you should have 2 guns and 2 missiles...if you need to mine go back to the station and refit. Do NOT have moners on your combat ship, and do not have guns on your will just make you terible at both jobs. refit at the station for what you need. Carrier the miniers in your cargo if you want. then simply dock up and use them if you need.

Edit: support skills are things like missile projection, and motion prediction, armor skills...things that make you better.


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