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Muck Raker
Gallente
Gutter Press
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:11:00 - [1]
 

Amazing news reaches Gutter Press today, about some Minmatar Academics who are outraged at the curriculum that most Federation schools follow, particularly the History curriculum.

"Gallente revisionists are making our people look like savages!" said one Seibestor Tribe educator, alleging that Federal History textbooks paint the Minmatar in a less than satisfactory light.

"These allegations are bunk" responds an Intaki teacher. "They want to ignore the Federal contribution to Minmatar society. They are the revisionists!"

Other social commentators have also expressed their opinions:
"Frankly, this is a storm in a Quafe-cup", said one socialite.
"They're like, arguing about like, the meaning of 'rebellion' compared to you know 'uprising' and stuff, it's like totally silly" said a teen boy band member.

The arguments stem from the controversy surrounding the events commonly described in Federation textbooks as "The Minmatar Rebellion", where it mentions the vast amount of Federal funding, training and equipment support given to the Minmatar during the last few years of throwing out the Empire from traditionally Minmatar worlds.

A Vherokior educator had this to say:
"Rebellion" is an entirely different word from "uprising", Rebellion suggests some form of legitimacy for the thing that was thrown out, whereas Uprising does not. Calling it the Minmatar Rebellion says the Amarr had some right to be there. Which is clearly not the case! Furthermore, we had ships, we had a fleet, we were not some band of half-dressed savages that needed Federal guns and ships to save us. These Federal textbooks are appalling and only serve to isolate the Minmatar living in the Federation from the Republic.

A counterstatement from a Gallente official at the Federal Administration said:
"The Minmatar successfully removed Amarrian influence from their worlds, with substantial Gallente assistance. Those are the facts. This argument and these lawsuits are un-Federal activities, and people should think twice before expressing such divisive and unconstructive opinions."

The debates and arguments continue in schools and courts across the Federation, so Gutter Press asked some people on the street what the Word is.

"It's silly, innit, you know like, cos the Caldari are like, menacing, innit, and we just wanna like, do stuff, and they're all like, No." said one Quafe fan at a sporting event organised by the company.

"Politics should totally be like, left out of schools. Except politics classes, obviously." said one enthusiastic campaigner for more rights for cyber-enhanced individuals.

Whatever happens next, Gutter Press will keep an eye on it!

Renier Cesaille
Gallente
Freespace Cooperative
Posted - 2011.08.21 18:14:00 - [2]
 

As a student who graduated from the University of Caille, nothing but the highest respect was granted to the Minmatar. They were and are a people who were oppressed by the Amarr and had their livelihoods and resources exploited for the betterment of Amarr society without concern for their own well-being.

I would hardly call the Minmatar of any persuasion a "savage" or "primitive", they choose to follow a lifestyle that is probably closer to early human experience when we did indeed live planetbound and in small clans. This is not a bad thing, as the Minmatar I have met and have become friends with value friendship, family, and loyalty above all else. If someone is ignorant enough to interpret that as "savage", then I pity them, because the Minmatar are no less civilized than anyone of the other great, legitimate nations in New Eden. They sought their independence and earned it, through grit and muscle, and of course, with help, but facing an incredible power such as the Amarr, there were few other options. Still, they are not indebted and we in the Gallente Federation should regard them more as friends and allies than adopt a paternalistic view, if anyone is unfortunate enough to hold those opinions.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.22 00:47:00 - [3]
 

Citation Required.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.08.22 01:16:00 - [4]
 

I also graduated from UC, and I never heard even a single demeaning or otherwise inaccurate word spoken of the Minmatar and their descendants. However, given that this is coming from Gutter Press, one of the most reputable *cough* media groups in the cluster, I'm not surprised. Cool



Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.22 01:34:00 - [5]
 

Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.

Nakal Ashera
Posted - 2011.08.22 02:23:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.


Mister Octirant, I don't think I need to remind you that much of the present Matari system of education is based on our own... Well, the Federations, rather. If you believe that the society in incapable of producing "Academics", then it's clear to where one should point the finger.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.08.22 02:28:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.


With such statements it's no wonder the Federal Nationalist Party has such a sterling reputation Rolling Eyes


Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.22 03:06:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Nakal Ashera
Mister Octirant, I don't think I need to remind you that much of the present Matari system of education is based on our own... Well, the Federations, rather. If you believe that the society in incapable of producing "Academics", then it's clear to where one should point the finger.


Many things are based on other things.

My niece recently produced a finger painting that was 'based' on the work on Intaki artist Suri Naatha.

While I may have told my niece otherwise, there was a gulf in quality between her finger painting and Naatha's work.

Commander Dirtbag
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.22 03:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Muck Raker
Minmatar Academics


You're being ironic, right?

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.08.22 03:50:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant

While I may have told my niece otherwise


You did, did you? Funny. I figured you feasted on the tears of children.

My mistake Very Happy


Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.08.22 03:58:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 22/08/2011 04:01:06
Originally by: Alain Octirant
Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.


(Tarryn smiles cynically into the camera-pickup)

Hey, I got a joke for ya:

Q: What does a Fed Nationalist see when s/he looks into a mirror?
A: God.

Pull your head out of your arse, you smug, sanctimonious, condescending close-minded bigot.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.22 04:23:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm

Hey, I got a joke for ya:

Q: What does a Fed Nationalist see when s/he looks into a mirror?
A: God.


Why would I see an Amarrian control-fantasy when I look in the mirror?

Your joke needs work.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.08.22 05:02:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm

Hey, I got a joke for ya:

Q: What does a Fed Nationalist see when s/he looks into a mirror?
A: God.


Why would I see an Amarrian control-fantasy when I look in the mirror?

Your joke needs work.


Your political party needs work.

Who is in deeper water there, Mr. Octirant?


Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.08.22 05:29:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm on 22/08/2011 05:31:55
Originally by: Alain Octirant

Why would I see an Amarrian control-fantasy when I look in the mirror?

Your joke needs work.


Oh, for...Rolling Eyes...!

Not as much work as your sense of irony:

(Tarryn's tone changes such that he sounds like he's explaing something very simple to a small, quite-annoying, and very, very, slow child)

See, your bigoted closed-mindedness w/r/t Minmtar is no different from that of the Amarr, despite your two nations being nominally hostile to each other, and professing to espouse philosophies that are in many ways each others' diametric opposites.

In other words, you sound just like an Invisible-Sky-Wizard-fellating Amarr, despite nominally standing against everything the Amarr supposedly represent.

That's called ironic humour, the best kind because the one displaying it, who is thus the target thereof, clearly doesn't even know it. Get it now?

(I really didn't think that joke was too subtle, even for you Rolling Eyes...Oh well, that's what I get for overestimating people's intelligence, I guess.)

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.22 08:40:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm


Oh, for...Rolling Eyes...!

Not as much work as your sense of irony:

(Tarryn's tone changes such that he sounds like he's explaing something very simple to a small, quite-annoying, and very, very, slow child)

See, your bigoted closed-mindedness w/r/t Minmtar is no different from that of the Amarr, despite your two nations being nominally hostile to each other, and professing to espouse philosophies that are in many ways each others' diametric opposites.

In other words, you sound just like an Invisible-Sky-Wizard-fellating Amarr, despite nominally standing against everything the Amarr supposedly represent.

That's called ironic humour, the best kind because the one displaying it, who is thus the target thereof, clearly doesn't even know it. Get it now?

(I really didn't think that joke was too subtle, even for you Rolling Eyes...Oh well, that's what I get for overestimating people's intelligence, I guess.)


You must be one of these Minmatar 'Academics' we hear tell about. You are a credit to your people.

Nakal Ashera
Posted - 2011.08.22 09:07:00 - [16]
 

Mister Octirant, I'm getting the impression you have some level of contempt for the Republic, despite them being the Federations closest - And only, probably - major ally. Might I ask why this is?

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.22 11:46:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Nakal Ashera
Mister Octirant, I'm getting the impression you have some level of contempt for the Republic, despite them being the Federations closest - And only, probably - major ally. Might I ask why this is?


Madame, nothing could be further from the truth.

Nakal Ashera
Posted - 2011.08.22 11:59:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Originally by: Nakal Ashera
Mister Octirant, I'm getting the impression you have some level of contempt for the Republic, despite them being the Federations closest - And only, probably - major ally. Might I ask why this is?


Madame, nothing could be further from the truth.


I see. Very well, then. In that case, why do you collectively dismiss their entire culture as being utterly incapable of pursuing any kind of meaningful form of higher learning, such as you appear to be doing?

Malcolm Khross
Caldari
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:34:00 - [19]
 

There's a word for this Octirant guy, it's called "megalomaniac."

Since it seems like you ain't got enough perspective to see past your own nose, I'll keep things simple. Remember what happened to the last "great Empire" that challenged the resourcefulness, cunning, ingenuity, individuality, spirituality, fervor and passion of the Matari people? I'll give you a hint, they found out that there's more to them than meets the proverbial eye.

I'm only hoping, for the sake of the good men, women and children left in the Federation, that your voice never becomes one backed by more than your own ego.

Pah, I need a drink.

Xavier Fate
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.22 16:39:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Muck Raker
Amazing news reaches Gutter Press today, about some Minmatar Academics who are outraged at the curriculum that most Federation schools follow, particularly the History curriculum.

"Gallente revisionists are making our people look like savages!" said one Seibestor Tribe educator, alleging that Federal History textbooks paint the Minmatar in a less than satisfactory light.

"These allegations are bunk" responds an Intaki teacher. "They want to ignore the Federal contribution to Minmatar society. They are the revisionists!"

Other social commentators have also expressed their opinions:
"Frankly, this is a storm in a Quafe-cup", said one socialite.
"They're like, arguing about like, the meaning of 'rebellion' compared to you know 'uprising' and stuff, it's like totally silly" said a teen boy band member.

The arguments stem from the controversy surrounding the events commonly described in Federation textbooks as "The Minmatar Rebellion", where it mentions the vast amount of Federal funding, training and equipment support given to the Minmatar during the last few years of throwing out the Empire from traditionally Minmatar worlds.

A Vherokior educator had this to say:
"Rebellion" is an entirely different word from "uprising", Rebellion suggests some form of legitimacy for the thing that was thrown out, whereas Uprising does not. Calling it the Minmatar Rebellion says the Amarr had some right to be there. Which is clearly not the case! Furthermore, we had ships, we had a fleet, we were not some band of half-dressed savages that needed Federal guns and ships to save us. These Federal textbooks are appalling and only serve to isolate the Minmatar living in the Federation from the Republic.

A counterstatement from a Gallente official at the Federal Administration said:
"The Minmatar successfully removed Amarrian influence from their worlds, with substantial Gallente assistance. Those are the facts. This argument and these lawsuits are un-Federal activities, and people should think twice before expressing such divisive and unconstructive opinions."

The debates and arguments continue in schools and courts across the Federation, so Gutter Press asked some people on the street what the Word is.

"It's silly, innit, you know like, cos the Caldari are like, menacing, innit, and we just wanna like, do stuff, and they're all like, No." said one Quafe fan at a sporting event organised by the company.

"Politics should totally be like, left out of schools. Except politics classes, obviously." said one enthusiastic campaigner for more rights for cyber-enhanced individuals.

Whatever happens next, Gutter Press will keep an eye on it!


Patently false from the first word to the last.
Luckily for us all, slander is in fact a crime in the Federation. I am not a lawyer, but I believe that this qualifies.

Diana Kim
Caldari
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:54:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Alain Octirant
Originally by: Tarryn Nightstorm

Hey, I got a joke for ya:

Q: What does a Fed Nationalist see when s/he looks into a mirror?
A: God.


Why would I see an Amarrian control-fantasy when I look in the mirror?

Your joke needs work.


Your political party needs work.

Who is in deeper water there, Mr. Octirant?



Ok, lets rework the joke ;)

Q: What does a Fed Nationalist see when s/he looks into a mirror?
A: Walking dead.
Twisted Evil

Lucius Blackstone
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.22 17:56:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Malcolm Khross
There's a word for this Octirant guy, it's called "megalomaniac."

Since it seems like you ain't got enough perspective to see past your own nose, I'll keep things simple. Remember what happened to the last "great Empire" that challenged the resourcefulness, cunning, ingenuity, individuality, spirituality, fervor and passion of the Matari people? I'll give you a hint, they found out that there's more to them than meets the proverbial eye.

I'm only hoping, for the sake of the good men, women and children left in the Federation, that your voice never becomes one backed by more than your own ego.

Pah, I need a drink.


I must agree with my State compatriot. I find the fact that you are living and breathing a direct insult to people far and wide. You Federation politicians are the worst back-sliding cowards I have ever seen. Pray I never see you flying alone in the space-lanes Ocitrant, for I might break with my full support for the State and do the Federation a small favor.

Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.08.22 18:05:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Alain Octirant
Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.


As both a citizen of the Federation and a Matari I find this comment offensive, pilot. It's beneath the head of a Gallentean political party and it's racist. Would you care to clarify or perhaps it would be better to simply apologize for this insensitive remark and withdraw from any further comments on this topic?




Malcolm Khross
Caldari
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
Posted - 2011.08.22 18:42:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Anabella Rella
Originally by: Alain Octirant
Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.


As both a citizen of the Federation and a Matari I find this comment offensive, pilot. It's beneath the head of a Gallentean political party and it's racist. Would you care to clarify or perhaps it would be better to simply apologize for this insensitive remark and withdraw from any further comments on this topic?




Don't expect too much, lady. This is a repeat of what happened with the Caldari, see? Didn't think we separated just because we drank a different brand of tea, did you?

Arrogant Federation megalomaniacs like Octirant decided they could do whatever the cluster they wanted in the name of "freedom and liberty" while trouncing on those they considered less than themselves. Interfering in everybody's business in order to ensure it's done their way. Cultural assimilation, if you will.

So long as loud-mouthed, self-serving, self-righteous morons like Octirant have a say in Federal politics, the Federation isn't going to be the land of freedom and promise that it pretends to be.

Know that ain't what you wanted to hear, but it's the truth sure as I can tell it to you.

Jason Galente
Gallente
mishima ryu
Posted - 2011.08.22 19:21:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Malcolm Khross
Originally by: Anabella Rella
Originally by: Alain Octirant
Minmatar 'Academics'? There's the lie, right there.


As both a citizen of the Federation and a Matari I find this comment offensive, pilot. It's beneath the head of a Gallentean political party and it's racist. Would you care to clarify or perhaps it would be better to simply apologize for this insensitive remark and withdraw from any further comments on this topic?




So long as loud-mouthed, self-serving, self-righteous morons like Octirant have a say in Federal politics



It's a good thing he doesn't have a say in Federal politics, outside of his helter-skelter excuse for a political party. Not that this is worth noting, I personally find Gallente politics distasteful and boring.


Conventia Underking
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.22 20:13:00 - [26]
 

Looks on in amusement.

Aurelie Severasse
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.22 22:46:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Malcolm Khross

So long as loud-mouthed, self-serving, self-righteous morons like Octirant have a say in Federal politics, the Federation isn't going to be the land of freedom and promise that it pretends to be.

Know that ain't what you wanted to hear, but it's the truth sure as I can tell it to you.



I think it's unnecessarily hasty to tar all Federal Politicians with the same brush just because you take exception to Octirant and his lunar politics.

And the Federation is precisely the land of Freedom and Promise because people like Octirant, whose views I would spent my lifetime denouncing at the top of my voice, can still have their say.

Malcolm Khross
Caldari
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
Posted - 2011.08.23 02:38:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Aurelie Severasse
Originally by: Malcolm Khross

So long as loud-mouthed, self-serving, self-righteous morons like Octirant have a say in Federal politics, the Federation isn't going to be the land of freedom and promise that it pretends to be.

Know that ain't what you wanted to hear, but it's the truth sure as I can tell it to you.



I think it's unnecessarily hasty to tar all Federal Politicians with the same brush just because you take exception to Octirant and his lunar politics.

And the Federation is precisely the land of Freedom and Promise because people like Octirant, whose views I would spent my lifetime denouncing at the top of my voice, can still have their say.



Lass, I didn't "tar" all of the politicians for one man's sake. You'll notice I quite clearly only "tarred" one and anyone similar to him.

And the Federation ain't the land of freedom and promise it claims to be. It's the land of freedom, maybe. But so long as voices like his are heard, it ain't promising nothing but more frustration, opposition and anger.

'Sides, if I want freedom, I don't need your government telling me I can have it. Simple as that.

Aurelie Severasse
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.23 04:23:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Aurelie Severasse on 23/08/2011 04:24:31
Originally by: Malcolm Khross

Lass, I didn't "tar" all of the politicians for one man's sake. You'll notice I quite clearly only "tarred" one and anyone similar to him.


I was actually making a general comment to all responders on this thread who are attacking Octirant like he's representative of the entire Federation, which is clearly absurd and fuels the old man's delusions of validity.

It would be fairly similar to say that all Caldari are fascists just because Tibus Heth is, for example, which is obviously silly.

Also, you can address me as Mademoiselle Severasse.

Originally by: Malcolm Khross
And the Federation ain't the land of freedom and promise it claims to be. It's the land of freedom, maybe. But so long as voices like his are heard, it ain't promising nothing but more frustration, opposition and anger.


This is also absurd. His voice rings out. Some listen. The same goes for any other voice, anywhere. That's what the Federation is. A caucus of ideas and the most powerful and persuasive win out.

Originally by: Malcolm Khross
'Sides, if I want freedom, I don't need your government telling me I can have it. Simple as that.


No-one told you anything. This is a thread about Education in the Republic and you chimed in to criticise the Federation. I'm merely pointing out that your critique is unfounded and reactionary.

I'll tell you how simple it is: Octirant is entitled to his say. He's wrong, and I'll tell him that, but he's entitled to express his opinion. Don't try and say that his opinion is representative of things that it is not; that is logically flawed.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.23 04:59:00 - [30]
 

Don't pander to them, silly girl. Those people would see your 'Light on the Hill' snuffed out forever.


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