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Doublewhopper
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:00:00 - [1]
 

As we were forced to show actions and not words by CCP management (Hilmars letter), i have seen many friends and corporations go inactive and assemble as a whole in new games (World of Tanks for PVP, Perpetuum for a continued EVE-feeling and others...)

Also i have been following on how the media reflects the uprising within EVE and the response that did not really feel like an apology.

I know myself of over 30 accounts that went inactive due to how CCP is driving this. Also there are various server statistics that show that the EVE population is on a down swing since the release of Incarna and specifically the NeX shop with AUR.

The thing is: I want to play the game. But i feel backstabbed by CCP and currently my dignity will not allow me to come back as much as i wanted to.

So CCP, please send a clear message to the playerbase on how you will fix this mess.
And be sure to make it well known so i don't miss it when i can come back with quiet conscience.

Ikonz
Caldari
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:15:00 - [2]
 

what mess?

Mr Cleann
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:16:00 - [3]
 

Can I have your stuff :)

Umad Bro Questionmark
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:21:00 - [4]
 


U mad bro?

Nobody cares about your 15 dollars more or less, even if it's 30 players or 300 or eve 3000. Play the game and learn to accept that it will change from better to worse and other way around from time to time, because that's the process of development and stop whining because your spaceship got broken.

Galalissa Noban
Posted - 2011.08.21 15:24:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark

Play the game and learn to accept that it will change from better to worse and other way around from time to time, because that's the process of development and stop whining because your spaceship got broken.



QFT .....

I couldn't have said it better myself .

If you can't accept change , then do us all a favour , and don't come back ever . Less whiners to deal with the better .

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:00:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark

U mad bro?

Nobody cares about your 15 dollars more or less, even if it's 30 players or 300 or eve 3000. Play the game and learn to accept that it will change from better to worse and other way around from time to time, because that's the process of development and stop whining because your spaceship got broken.



QFT
and contract me all your stuff OP

Doublewhopper
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:07:00 - [7]
 

How many of you have actually checked the server statistics?

Who of you have read this thread?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

As i said...CCP sort the mess out and EVE will be on the rise again.


Umad Bro Questionmark
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:52:00 - [8]
 


That thread is bull****. There are so many whiners on the forums yet so little people actually unsubbed. And the ones who did came back in a matter of weeks. Or will eventually.

And EvE IS on the rise, you are just too narrow minded to accept the change and you will be left behind along with the other slow-boaters. And then you will eventually sell your char and donate your ISK or just come back when you will realize that EvE is the best there is on the market even if not the best that it could be.

So until anyone else with 8 year of spaceship MMO experience comes along and makes a pewpew-spaceship game that is better and cheaper and permits the same levels of freedom please shut it.

If you think that YOU know better than one of the best DEV teams in the world that managed to keep their head up for years and years and improve the game over and over please do the world a favor and go into the woods. And stay there.


Doublewhopper
Posted - 2011.08.21 16:59:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Doublewhopper on 21/08/2011 17:00:19
EVE is on the rise?

Here, especially for you some statistics:
EVE alltime stats

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2011.08.21 17:02:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Doublewhopper
How many of you have actually checked the server statistics?

Who of you have read this thread?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

As i said...CCP sort the mess out and EVE will be on the rise again.




/me waves at the idiot that thinks hes owed something here.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.08.21 17:04:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Doublewhopper

Also i have been following on how the media reflects the uprising within EVE and the response that did not really feel like an apology.



Why would they apologize for an internal discussion that has zero bearing on gameplay?

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.21 17:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Doublewhopper
Edited by: Doublewhopper on 21/08/2011 17:00:19
EVE is on the rise?

Here, especially for you some statistics:
EVE alltime stats


Looks like the same short term ups and downs, with a long term trend upwards, to me.

GateScout
Posted - 2011.08.21 17:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Doublewhopper
But i feel backstabbed by CCP and currently my dignity will not allow me to come back as much as i wanted to.

"Backstabbed" and your "dignity" Rolling Eyes

That's quite a sense of entitlement you got there. Have fun playing...whatever (with your "quiet conscience").


Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.21 17:50:00 - [14]
 

ITT: a bunch of desperate fanbois sticking their fingers in their ears and going "la la la la la, I can't hear you!"


Wild CCP'Alt
Posted - 2011.08.21 18:46:00 - [15]
 

You should resubscribe. This game is awesome.

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.21 19:05:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Hwong Jian on 21/08/2011 19:06:53
Originally by: Forumtroll Douchebag

And EvE IS on the rise



EVE Offline has been tracking the logins for years. And, CCP has always stated that there is a direct correlation between active subscriptions and people online. I know you feel like EVE is getting better and better, but the numbers show that a noticeable (and rather large) amount of people disagree and are showing it by taking their money and leaving.

Originally by: Forumtroll Douchebag
EvE is the best there is on the market even if not the best that it could be.


I definitely agree with you there. EVE is the best sandbox game on the market. I also agree with you that it is not the best it could be. I'll go a step further and tell you that it's not even as good as it was 18 months ago, when the devs were focused on :internet spaceships:.

Originally by: Forumtroll Douchebag
If you think that YOU know better than one of the best DEV teams in the world that managed to keep their head up for years and years and improve the game over and over please do the world a favor and go into the woods. And stay there.



Which DEV team is that? Team BFF and its 9 members? Team Gridlock and its 11 members?

To your knowledge, what other DEV teams are working on FiS and :internet spaceships:? CCP has over 600 employees. To the general public's knowledge, only 20 of them are working on improvements to the game. We already know that there are plenty of people working on DUST 519 and World of Darkness. Not to mention the plethora of artists and coders that are giving EVE such luxuries as $68 monocles and boots that cost almost as much as a Vagabond. But, what other content are they developing? A general outline of a plan that will improve aspects of 0.0 over the next four years?

MMOs, like any other type of service industry, are about "what can you provide to me", not "what did you do for me 3 years ago". And, speaking of 3 years ago, how's my Faction Warfare coming along? Wasn't there a Dev Blog for that coming out in a couple weeks? I remember you saying the guy that wrote it had just got back from vacation and it'd be up in a couple days... Back in June.

Of course, since you are most likely a troll, please place your left hand under your right elbow, raise your right hand upwards while lifting with your left, and pull hard so you can give yourself a nice, big pat on the back. You've earned it, forum warrior. Your tireless desire to sound as uneducated and unreasonable as possible has paid off. Your dedication to the art of making yourself look like an idiot has once again earned you the respect of all as you laugh haughtily at my wall of text. In your world, everything revolves around you, o' Master of the Misinformation, for in our world you probably have your own gravitational pull.

So crack open an ice-cold Bud Light, Duke of the Douche, this one's for you.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.08.21 19:24:00 - [17]
 

Stats
and considering it still summer....
pretty good TBH

Umad Bro Questionmark
Posted - 2011.08.21 19:35:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Umad Bro Questionmark on 21/08/2011 19:37:12
Edited by: Umad Bro Questionmark on 21/08/2011 19:36:52

I notice this increasing trend for people to call other people trolls just when they do not agree with their point of view. You need some growing up to do.


Originally by: Hwong Jian
As long as EVE has two subscribers, at least one of them will be a troll.


QFT; They will both be trolls, for one another.


Misunderstood Genius
Posted - 2011.08.21 19:43:00 - [19]
 

Brutal truth 2011 is: you're not important and you have been replaced by 10 new subscribers.

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.08.21 19:48:00 - [20]
 

I was going to post in here and tell the whiner how much of a derp he is, but I see a good handful of people already did. Cheers!

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:02:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Hwong Jian on 21/08/2011 20:02:58
Edited by: Hwong Jian on 21/08/2011 20:02:17
Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark

I notice this increasing trend for people to call other people trolls just when they do not agree with their point of view. You need some growing up to do.



I've also noticed a trend. When prevented with evidence to the contrary, people who adamantly refuse to change their views turn out to be trolls or Christian. BOOM! Athiest vs. Christian debate... GO!

Seriously, though, below the quote is meat for you to chew on before your next post. For the potatoes, go click on his link and check it yourself.

Originally by: RaTTuS
Stats
and considering it still summer....
pretty good TBH


What looks good? The apparent decline in active players?

Scroll down to the All Time (Daily Average) graph and let's take a look.

Let's go with July as mid-summer and December as mid-winter. Those should work for "summer vacations" and "Christmas vacations" for purposes of play-time trends.

Winter Low Average:
2008 = 25,700
2009 = 30,000
2010 = 33,700

Summer Low Average:
2009 = 27,500
2010 = 29,000
2011 = 29,000

Now, as you can see, the winter 2008 led to an increase in players in summer of 2009. And, there were more players in winter of 2009 than there were that summer. And, in summer of 2010, it increased again. Winter of 2010 saw an increase again of the amount of players logged on.

Now we come to Summer 2011. As far back as March 15, 2006, the graph shows a continuous increase in the average players. Every since year. Ever one. The numbers go up. Except for Summer 2011. Best case scenario, they have plateaud. But, from looking at the graph, there appears to be the start of a downward trend.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:12:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Bane Necran on 21/08/2011 20:12:47
A change of a couple thousand is nothing to get excited about. You can see that happening in either direction every month. It's all very flukey. There is nothing new or unique going on.

With threads claiming the game is empty, and everyone quit, you're going to have to show something equally dramatic to back them up.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:33:00 - [23]
 

Several off topic and troll posts removed.

Umad Bro Questionmark
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:35:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian

What looks good? The apparent decline in active players?

Scroll down to the All Time (Daily Average) graph and let's take a look.

Let's go with July as mid-summer and December as mid-winter. Those should work for "summer vacations" and "Christmas vacations" for purposes of play-time trends.

Winter Low Average:
2008 = 25,700
2009 = 30,000
2010 = 33,700

Summer Low Average:
2009 = 27,500
2010 = 29,000
2011 = 29,000

Now, as you can see, the winter 2008 led to an increase in players in summer of 2009. And, there were more players in winter of 2009 than there were that summer. And, in summer of 2010, it increased again. Winter of 2010 saw an increase again of the amount of players logged on.

Now we come to Summer 2011. As far back as March 15, 2006, the graph shows a continuous increase in the average players. Every since year. Ever one. The numbers go up. Except for Summer 2011. Best case scenario, they have plateaud. But, from looking at the graph, there appears to be the start of a downward trend.



Dear Hwong, let me explain. And as a side note, you should try Forex when you have some money to waste because you will learn a lot about trends and graphs.

If you look purely from your perspective, you are correct indeed. This summer has seen a drop in the increase of players. But not because people started protesting and shooting the Amarr monument. No. But because with the launch of Incarna, a lot of hardwares (PC's) can not run EvE anymore. I know you and everyone posting here might have a super pro awesome rig, but A LOT of chinese farmers don't, a lot of players throughout Europe don't but they did have an average PC that could run the (old) EvE and WoW on low details.

After a patch comes that renders you unable to play - and if you check out other studies you will find out that at least 40 percent of the playerbase have PC's under the minimum requirements for EvE - I think you are bound to have a slight decrease in subscription until evolution happens or prices drop on the hardware IRL market.

Also consider this: before Incarna, people ran 14 accounts. You can barely run 3 now.

Besides the obvious reason please take into account all the nerd-ragers who quit and will come back eventually. Most of them at least. This has been one of CCP's biggest bad moves and the awareness around it is just higher. That is all there is to it.


Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.21 20:57:00 - [25]
 

Now you're arguing the semantics and or reasons why people have stopped playing. But, the underlying fact is that they have stopped playing. And, whether or not people eventually come back is a moot point at this particular stage.

What matters is that, regardless of reasons, the number of people playing this game is apparently either declining or stagnating.

Take the word "apparently", ignore the rest of what I've said, and carry on. That way you can be a troll.

Or, respond to the entire statement and help facilitate a discussion on the subject.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:04:00 - [26]
 

EVE is empty of players yet 0.0 is full of afk cloakers and massive blobsugh

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:05:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Doublewhopper
EVE is on the rise?

Here, especially for you some statistics:
EVE alltime stats
Eve is finally suffering its first decline.

It happens to every single mmo out there but its not the doom bell ringing in the death of the game.

Like has been said the numerous gameplay changes(or lack of for certain areas of the game) have driven a good chunk of players to other games.

Will eve recover and get back to its steady climb? That depends 100% on what ccp does over the next year or so and if the full incarna package along with the dust tie-in is a hit. Wink

As for me I'm a pvper and I got tired of the same ole same ole for the last 7 years.

So when wot came out I jumped to the new pvp game along with a sizeable portion of the pvp playerbase.

And yes if you check the conquest map for wot you will see many many familiar names.

Now some of these players still play eve but most that I know have taken a break and unsubbed to see what happens to eve after the 18 months are up and ccp finishes its carebear expansion.

I am one of them.(I reactivated this sub with isk just to come here and see what was up and be able to post)

Do I hate eve and what it has currently become? Nope. Just not interested in it atm because I could care less about carebear features.

So me and the others will be back once the dev blogs about redoing lowsec fw and nullsec start coming out with content on the test server.

Until then have fun fellas and pod them all. *goes back to grinding for his object261*

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:10:00 - [28]
 

The 45k players online at the moment at 7am might beg to differ.

It's funny that the vocal "majority" crying doom for ccp are all the bots and farmers whose ****ty hardware is overheating.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
the underlying fact is that they have stopped playing. And, whether or not people eventually come back is a moot point at this particular stage.


Are you under the impression people never stopped playing until recently? People are always quitting for any number of reasons, and the group that quit over the MT hysteria wasn't such a large number that it even stands out that much.

I know a lot of you really, really, want to believe EVE is dying, but anyone who's been playing for awhile has heard that song and dance many times before, and you're going to need something serious to sway us, none of this trying to make a disaster out of subs dropping an amount they commonly do.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:16:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Hwong Jian
the underlying fact is that they have stopped playing. And, whether or not people eventually come back is a moot point at this particular stage.


Are you under the impression people never stopped playing until recently? People are always quitting for any number of reasons, and the group that quit over the MT hysteria wasn't such a large number that it even stands out that much.

I know a lot of you really, really, want to believe EVE is dying, but anyone who's been playing for awhile has heard that song and dance many times before, and you're going to need something serious to sway us, none of this trying to make a disaster out of subs dropping an amount they commonly do.
Eve isn't dying. But otoh its not growing anymore either.

Make of that what you will.


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