Posted - 2011.08.21 08:28:00 - [3]

 

At 2k isk/lp? That price was a year ago, gl getting over 1k now (unless you mission in 0.0 or deal in *very* low volumes)

Posted - 2011.08.21 08:33:00 - [5]

 

Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 17:13:54
Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 08:34:10

Originally by: Mister Agreeable

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At 2k isk/lp? That price was a year ago, gl getting over 1k now (unless you mission in 0.0 or deal in *very* low volumes)

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I get 2k isk/LP right now, all the time, as much volume as I can make, in hisec. I have corpmates that mission in nullsec for a LOT more isk/LP, but this thread isn't about that.

I don't think I have faction and agent standings mixed up. Faction standings take FOREVER to go down, and as long as they are above 5.0, you can keep talking to agent.

edit: I should probably add that I was getting 2k isk/LP up to 2 months ago. Currently the price has dropped to about 1.5-1.7k isk/LP.

Posted - 2011.08.21 14:02:00 - [7]

 

I am trying to figure out if the OP is trolling, or just stupid. I'm guessing the latter, but you never know.

Is it worth pointing out the flaws in this idiocy (lol 1 mission every 7 minutes) or just point and laugh ?

Posted - 2011.08.21 14:27:00 - [9]

 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 21/08/2011 14:28:02

Originally by: Zerel Hotori

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I am trying to figure out if the OP is trolling, or just stupid. I'm guessing the latter, but you never know.

Is it worth pointing out the flaws in this idiocy (lol 1 mission every 7 minutes) or just point and laugh ?

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Bad news, the only person to point and laugh at is yourself.

When you decline a mission more than once every four hours, three things happen:

a) your faction standings take an almost insignificant hit,
b) your corporation standings take a sizable hit
c) your agent standings take a sizable hit

Your level 4 agent will talk to you if your agent, corporation, or faction standings are above 5.0 *and* if your corporation standings don't drop to -2.0 or less.

With high faction standings and because of the minimal faction hit for declining a mission, this means it is possible to cherry pick just the quick blitzable missions as long as your corporation standings don't drop below -2.0.

For example, declining Smash the Supplier cost me:
* -0.0112% faction hit
* -3.06% corporation hit
* -6.12% agent hit

Completing the Patient Zero storyline mission netted me:
* 9.0% faction increase

In overly simplistic terms, 9.0% / .0112% = ~800 declined missions. That means I could decline hundreds of missions and make up for the faction standings hit with a single storyline mission.

Thus it is pretty easy to decline a lot of missions in order to only blitz missions that can be quickly completed.


However, if everyone is blitzing for LP, then you run into issues with
tag prices, more competition on LP items, lower LP payouts per mission (mission payouts are dynamically adjusted,) and a general trend towards lower lp/isk conversion rates.

Posted - 2011.08.21 17:21:00 - [11]

 

Stoic although I wrote the original guide/video, I don't have the time to maintain/improve it much and there are LOTS missing from this guide. I have one person already helping me format it and modify it on the EVE Uni Wiki. Would you mind if I used your post to detail how exactly Faction Standings work in my guide? Credits given, of course.

Posted - 2011.08.21 20:14:00 - [13]

 

Or you could join an incursioin corp and make that much in raw payouts, before you even factor in LP

Posted - 2011.08.21 21:06:00 - [15]

 

Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 21:13:49
Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 21:06:00

Originally by: Sannah Ur

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Everyone knows that you need to take the LP/isk ratio into account when running for max isk/hour.

So then what's the point of your post? Bragging?

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No, they don't. It may seem obvious but a lot of people don't actually realise how important it is.

This guide is intended for people that are doing level 4's sub-optimally. IE, people that choose to full-clear entire pockets then loot/salvage, people that require entire fleets to do a level 4 yet still spend hours to clear it. I want to open their eyes to a new way of missioning.

I am not going to spoonfeed you, only give direction. I have quoted values of 2k isk/LP. I can quote more if we want to go to more extreme measurements. It is up to you to find them.

Posted - 2011.08.21 21:36:00 - [17]

 

Edited by: Firebolt145 on 21/08/2011 21:36:30

Originally by: Rip Minner

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Firebolt145 your both right and wrong in the isk/h ratio over the long haul.

1.) The time it takes to move to market and sale.
2.) If a blue print the time it takes to build or find someone to build for you if you yourself or alt cant build.
3.) The time to do the needed research or the time to keep a hook up with someone/somegroup of someone's that do's the research and keeps on top of whats hot and whats not.
4.) The time needed to move hole missioning kit from station to station as you move from corp to corp for the what's hot.

When you factor all that in the isk/h ratio is just not that hot anymore.

Sorry if you disagree but thats just how I feel about it. I am not blind. I just have one eye covered

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1 and 2 and 3 are all similar. Fortunately there are people out there who are willing to deal with all of this for you. You mission for the LP, they give you the raw/tags/whatever and bother with the manufacturing and selling in return for a small cut. You can still get good isk/LP with this (I know I do, even though it's obvious the guy I'm selling to is ripping me off with the amount of isk he makes...)

As for 4, I have moved once in the last 6 months. It does not take long to autopilot your mach and a hauler from point A to point B.

Posted - 2011.08.21 21:50:00 - [19]

 

It is exceptionally easy to get 2k+ isk/lp, even dumping to buy orders, if you know what you're doing. Investing a few minutes into the various conversions offered by different corps is the most profitable few minutes you'll ever invest in eve. I'll give you a hint though, it's not making navy ravens.
The best 0 effort (get what you need off the market, dump LP goods to sell orders, always high volume) conversion I've seen is about 2.7.
The absolute best conversion I've seen is about 20k. That's 20k isk per LP so approximately 2b isk per hour but it takes a week of passive buy orders to get the stuff you need so you can't just chain the missions and make infinite isk. Still, you only have to do about a mission a day to make that 2b isk.

Anyway, anyone not following firebolt's guide here is doing it wrong. Blitzing is the best kept secret in missioning, lp conversions are nowhere near as difficult as most people think they are. Just make a spreadsheet.

Posted - 2011.08.22 00:47:00 - [21]

 

I for one call this all *******s.
Use your LP wisely and get raven navy issue as well as cn bcus and cn invulns, which you can use for yourself as well.
This blitzing sucks since you miss out on both bounties and salvage items, which are a great chunk of the money.

Posted - 2011.08.22 07:54:00 - [23]

 

Originally by: Rip Minner

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I am not nay saying what your saying but I will point out that blizzing is on par = killing all rats and collecting all loot/salvage is.

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For a lot of missions you have to kill all the rats anyway because the gate won't unlock unless you do. Check some random missions on eve-survival, most are like that. When I have to kill all those I might as well just have my second account salvage and loot them.

Too bad no one wants to share how to actually get 2k isk/lp. Then these topics might be worth something.

Posted - 2011.08.22 13:56:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: Chimera Ur

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Too bad no one wants to share how to actually get 2k isk/lp. Then these topics might be worth something.

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lp store information + spreadsheet + market research (aka tag prices and values of items on contract) = 2,000+ isk/lp conversion rate.

Posted - 2011.08.22 23:59:00 - [27]

 

Confirming the following:
1. 2k isk/lp is pretty easy and there are many different corps and items you can get this rate for
2. Firebolt sucks massively at editing (he managed to turn 2 4gb clips into 1 70gb clip)
3. Firebolt is getting ripped off by his LP purchaser and still makes more money than people full clearing for salvage and bounties
4. Our corp has a pretty nice setup because our CEO is a giant bear. The logistics network and tag supplies are good enough to make conversion of LP nearly instant, and everyone profits.
5. There are plenty of missions which you can complete in just 4 minutes, including undocking and warping and warping and docking.
6. lol full clearing. **** money

And a good example (which doesn't really matter anymore) about 2k isk/lp at high turnover was RF ammo a few months ago.

Posted - 2011.08.23 01:37:00 - [29]

 

Theoretically I could just skip the mission part and just buy/sell tags and make even higher income, and just adjust orders once a week. And once a week to move stuff around. Sounds great!