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Riveting Tale Sibling
Posted - 2011.08.25 22:58:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: Ramalamadindong
Awww, are you mad that people are voicing their opinion on the forums? Is your main upset too? You must be realy upset to resort to personal attacks everytime someone points out that you are a clueless, ill informed, terrible poster. Does it anger you when I post about how crap the dev blog is because it is crap and everybody apart from you agrees with me.

The Dev blog is pointless. mlyp. Now go froth at the mouth while I post more stuff you won't like.Razz

It's so cute when you think that you're being clever. I don't resort to personal attacks, I intertwine them within my posts because I find it highly amusing.
Could you please use "mlyp" a few dozen more times? I don't think the entire Internet has been enlightened yet.

Yes, you can hate a devblog like this even though we've received two awesome ones this week.
Yes, that's more good devblogs than most weeks.
Yes, it makes you look stupid.
And, yes, your poasting is highly amusing and reminds me of a trip to the zoo.


You're an idiot. Did you have to google "intertwined"?

Also, thread locked for lack of content.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.08.26 05:02:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Wyke Mossari

Does this mean the planet improvements to Planetary Interaction have been abandoned ?


They nerfed PI all they can. Any lower and POS's would start falling down all over the place.

No content - anywhere.

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.08.26 11:47:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: reported by CCP Fallout | 2011.08.25 15:33:17
new fashion, fast fashion in nex


There are a million things more important than the crap you guys are currently working on...I think CCP likes getting flamed by the community, why else would they just keep ****ing everyone off??? I can't wait for swtor to come out Twisted Evil

Dismus
Gallente
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:29:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Dismus on 26/08/2011 13:29:38
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Turk Turbo
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:01:00 - [185]
 

Erm .. I'm sure this isn't a big issue with most of you guys, but my Alliance has waited nearly 3 months for its Logo in Game. .... Is it possible that CCP will incorporate our Logo with this release (be still my beating heart)? Why bother with the expense and time to design a logo if ccp is just going to ignore the application?

Salpun
Gallente
Paramount Commerce
Posted - 2011.08.26 18:54:00 - [186]
 

Check sisi if you really want to know. There is a release candidate up.

Dalilus
Posted - 2011.08.27 01:18:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: Dalilus on 28/08/2011 01:00:17
My wish list for the upcoming patch....which I know is most likely not included Sad

Un-nerf highsec. Bring back the content you took out to please large 0.0 alliances.....namely asteroids, bounties, faction item drop, loot, faction ship bpcs, lvl 5 missions, npc swarms, and others - you know what you have taken out. Many high sp carebears are getting bored with the current static content and stats show there is NO mass migration to nullsec. The Noctis, now THAT was a GREAT idea since it cuts down salvaging time by what, 75% - 80%? Hidden standings have the gankers trying to figure out whose day to ruin. Spreading out mission hubs - what a stroke of genious. Making all agents the same quality - again a superb idea and beware the unprepared. See, you can do it if you want!

More solo content please, in other words INCREASE content for the solo player and small corp - don't nerf it to "herd" players to lowsec/nullsec. Won't work, can't work - its hard to understand if one does not play the carebear way. Ever wonder why so many carebears moved to w-space? Because it can be played like highsec - another stroke of mad genious - with a big payout, no local, occasional PVP, and without being anyone's pet. Like some have so succintly put it, large team play is almost exclusively for nullsec. Who am I kidding, capital blobs online anyone?

Un-nerf minnie ships......bring back the speed!! Many of us have maxed out core, engineering, mechanic, navigation, and electronic skills (but no capital skills, can't use caps in high sec) and what do we do with them? Nothing. I want to be able to brag on my bio: Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death I Shall Fear No Evil For I Am hauling ass at 35,000kps with heat, boosters, implants, rigs, Thukker modified overdrives, officer mwd and the gravity well of a star to speed me along.....and so are half a dozen of my corpies in nano autocannon Machariels with tracking enhancers. Being able to use mwds in all missions was a good first step.

Fix nullsec so that all of it is not owned by 3 or 4 large alliances. Don't you see that is the reason so few players want to move there and is mostly empty? Many try the nullsec dance and get bored to tears, dissapointed, bored, etc., after a week or so. NBSI sucks but under the current game mechanics it would be SUICIDAL to set neutrals to NRDS as some alliances have found out when they began to fail-cascade. I know, I know, CCP says if you want a piece of nullsec go get it but in reality it does not work that way. The rumor mill (forums) sum up the main reasons why capital blobs are able to exist to defend nullsec sov with one word: bot farms, huge bot farms. Two words really, three if you like. Are the rumors mistaken? Add to that incredibly lucrative moons which big alliances hoard and its true that even noobs are given titans to play with or look at until they can fly them. But one serves at the pleasure of the alliance's holding corp board of directors or else. I particularly did not wanna be anyone's maid, slaver hound, or punching bag.

Either make Incarna interesting or allow us players that don't much care for it to have a hangar view-only where we can play ship carrousel to our heart's content, switch ships, load ammo, interact with agents, play the market, smack talk on local, and not have to stare at The Door. If not possible then at least make it so that the light on top of The Door does not glare directly on one's face all the time, it is really annoying.

Stop with the apparel line (what's next Jovian lingerie? does it exist? Twisted Evil) and instead concentrate on increasing game content for example injecting into the game the ships that have won design a ship contests and redesign the mission engine so it gives out and infinite number of them and not only the ones on the eve-survival guide.

Who knows, but I won't lay bets any of this wil

Jade Greenfire
Posted - 2011.08.27 05:00:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: Jade Greenfire on 27/08/2011 05:03:04
Originally by: Dalilus
My wish list for the upcoming patch....which I know is most likely not included Sad

Un-nerf highsec. Bring back the content you took out to please large 0.0 alliances.....namely asteroids, bounties, faction item drop, loot, faction ship bpcs, lvl 5 missions, and others - you know what you have taken out. Many high sp carebears are getting bored with the current static content and stats show there is NO mass migration to nullsec. Noctis, now THAT was a GREAT idea. See, you can do it!

More solo content, in other words INCREASE content for the solo player and small corp. Like some have so succintly put it, large team play is almost exclusively for nullsec. Blobs anyone?

Un-nerf minnie ships......bring back the speed!! Many of us have maxed out navigation skills and what do we do with them? Nothing.

Fix nullsec so that it is not owned by 3 or 4 large alliances. Don't you see that is the reason so few players want to move there and is mostly empty? NBSI sucks. I know, I know, CCP says you want it go get it but in reality it does not work that way. Rumor sums it up with one word: bot farms, huge bot farms. Two words really, three if you like. Are the rumors mistaken?


Have you read: nullsec development: design goals Guess not.

Originally by: CCP Greyscale

Also, to repeat a thing from earlier in big letters, THIS WILL ALL TAKE A LONG-ASS TIME TO HAPPEN. Some of it will be changed or dropped before it ever gets implemented. Some of it will never happen. This is a roadmap, not a production schedule.


Guess we will be left stuck until CCP finally decide to rebalance supers and give us some sort of firm idea of when they will be looking introducing 0.0 changes. FYI those changes should include better incentives for people to move from high sec to 0.0.





taque
Posted - 2011.08.28 15:18:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Summer is a time for holidays, but that does not mean that work on expanding and improving EVE Online ceases. CCP Fallout talks about our next patch, Incarna 1.1, and what lies beyond. You can read the full dev blog here.




for a lot of people it is not a time of holidays right now. most holidays here came to an end. kids go to school already ;)

that doesn't take away the joy of an improved eve at the end of our summer though. i'm looking forward and hope for the best.

taque


..ps: i am gone at tuesday which makes me happy, i don't have to go through a time of waiting till eve is back online when things go south with the server ;)

j/k :)


Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.08.29 08:39:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Grady Eltoren
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Skyreth
I love the rage in here...
Am I the only one that gets a laugh out of the pure irrational anger people have over a...game?

Because it's not game, it's a hobby, one that many people have invested a large amount of time and money into.

Imagine going to your local golf club and telling the members that their course was going to be bull-dozed and turned into an 18-hole crazy-golf course, complete with windmills, I imagine they would be pretty annoyed about that, and that's what CCP are doing to Eve.


LOL - Quoted for (in some great way) the most "truthy" post in all of New Eden the past few months on the forums.

My hat goes off to you good Doctor. I still stand by my earlier post that you "get what you give in life" when it comes to cursing and treating well intentioned Devs in dev blogs...but I hope CCP reads your post and realizes what they have basically "created."

For me still - and I think I am one of the few - EVE is still (and always will be) a game.

I have kids, job, wife and even if I didn't I still just enjoy games for what they are - a game - something you can pickup and leave for ::cough:: SHORT ::cough:: periods of time with friends.

Again - great post I hope CCP (especially HILMAR) and the CSM reads your post and really ponders it.

Cheers


Can't speak for Hilmar, but this post (like all the others) was read :p

TheButcherPete
StoneWall Metals Productions
Posted - 2011.08.29 14:15:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: TheButcherPete on 29/08/2011 14:17:58
Good going CCP, can't wait to see the rest of Incarna.

Edit: No, I'm not being sarcastic.

Wellfan
Snake Eyes Inc
Posted - 2011.08.29 16:47:00 - [192]
 

Patchnotes are up.

Don't all rush towards them, they are as good as the Dev Blog.

Most uninspiring patch I have seen in a long long time.

steveking
Gallente
Rainbows in the Darkness
Posted - 2011.08.29 16:56:00 - [193]
 

Well,I guess alot of people are going to be ****ed.Not what i was looking for,was hoping for alot of fixes.Oh well,just another fail.By the way ccp,thanks for nothing,really.

Bombay Door
Posted - 2011.08.29 18:59:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Grady Eltoren
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Skyreth
I love the rage in here...
Am I the only one that gets a laugh out of the pure irrational anger people have over a...game?

Because it's not game, it's a hobby, one that many people have invested a large amount of time and money into.

Imagine going to your local golf club and telling the members that their course was going to be bull-dozed and turned into an 18-hole crazy-golf course, complete with windmills, I imagine they would be pretty annoyed about that, and that's what CCP are doing to Eve.


LOL - Quoted for (in some great way) the most "truthy" post in all of New Eden the past few months on the forums.

My hat goes off to you good Doctor. I still stand by my earlier post that you "get what you give in life" when it comes to cursing and treating well intentioned Devs in dev blogs...but I hope CCP reads your post and realizes what they have basically "created."

For me still - and I think I am one of the few - EVE is still (and always will be) a game.

I have kids, job, wife and even if I didn't I still just enjoy games for what they are - a game - something you can pickup and leave for ::cough:: SHORT ::cough:: periods of time with friends.

Again - great post I hope CCP (especially HILMAR) and the CSM reads your post and really ponders it.

Cheers


I think this demonstrates the central issue with what is wrong with EVE. Some people (I dare say most) see EVE as a hobby and some see it as a game. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with either viewpoint as to what EVE is, however, I will say that there is a problem if one of those view points are adopted to the games development process. If the creative producer takes the view point of EVE is just a game, the the hobbyist will suffer as described by Doctor Mabuse here. However, if they come at game development from the "it's a hobby" approach, then the learning curve starts to become a cliff and "Gamers" will get board with it because it requires too much commitment to justify playing and putting it down like all the other games they play.

I think CCP needs to pick a side to this issue and stick with it. IMHO

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.08.29 20:13:00 - [195]
 

It seems very odd that the belated new forums and equally belated new api key system weren't mentioned at all in the blog. Even stranger given that there is nothing notable in the patch notes concerning CQ.

I am actually surprised at how little seems to be happening with CQ in this patch, I was expecting it to be mostly CQ bug fixes.

Iggy Stooge
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.08.29 23:13:00 - [196]
 

Read patch notes, laughed.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.30 00:03:00 - [197]
 

It will be amusing to see how terrible broken the new forums will be.

Grady Eltoren
Minmatar
Aviation Professionals for EVE
Posted - 2011.08.30 01:02:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Grady Eltoren on 30/08/2011 01:05:12
Originally by: Bombay Door
Originally by: Grady Eltoren
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: Skyreth
I love the rage in here...
Am I the only one that gets a laugh out of the pure irrational anger people have over a...game?

Because it's not game, it's a hobby, one that many people have invested a large amount of time and money into.

Imagine going to your local golf club and telling the members that their course was going to be bull-dozed and turned into an 18-hole crazy-golf course, complete with windmills, I imagine they would be pretty annoyed about that, and that's what CCP are doing to Eve.


LOL - Quoted for (in some great way) the most "truthy" post in all of New Eden the past few months on the forums.

My hat goes off to you good Doctor. I still stand by my earlier post that you "get what you give in life" when it comes to cursing and treating well intentioned Devs in dev blogs...but I hope CCP reads your post and realizes what they have basically "created."

For me still - and I think I am one of the few - EVE is still (and always will be) a game.

I have kids, job, wife and even if I didn't I still just enjoy games for what they are - a game - something you can pickup and leave for ::cough:: SHORT ::cough:: periods of time with friends.

Again - great post I hope CCP (especially HILMAR) and the CSM reads your post and really ponders it.

Cheers


I think this demonstrates the central issue with what is wrong with EVE. Some people(I dare say most) see EVE as a hobby and some see it as a game. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with either viewpoint as to what EVE is, however, I will say that there is a problem if one of those view points are adopted to the games development process. If the creative producer takes the view point of EVE is just a game, the the hobbyist will suffer as described by Doctor Mabuse here. However, if they come at game development from the "it's a hobby" approach, then the learning curve starts to become a cliff and "Gamers" will get board with it because it requires too much commitment to justify playing and putting it down like all the other games they play.

I think CCP needs to pick a side to this issue and stick with it. IMHO


Exactly my point. I actually don't envy CCP's (or the "players") position. I just want them to realise if you want it to be a hobby people will be ****ed with sub-par changes, slow to change, retractions, etc. If you treat it as a game some people will get ****ed for other reasons, but overall, I think expectations will be more "realistic."

I digress, it just reminds me of the old saying, "Jack of all trades, King of none." or "You can't please everybody all the time."

Ultimately since it started as a game maybe it should stay that way? I don't know. At least that way hobbyist AND gamers can log on and have fun watching roids glow, blowing ships up, or exploring easier and without a HUGE investment it cash and time. But what do I know. EVE has sort of evolved into this huge thing that is WAY MORE than a game. Again - I don't know.

I respect that CCP seems like they want to do both - truly I do - but I think they are forcing a little too much hobbyist into EVE for us gamers. Suggestions like battle arenas and removing learning skills fall into the hated category of hobbyists - prime example. I ask what is wrong with that though? Some people just want to have fun (not WOW fun, just EVE fun).

I challenge CCP (and the CSM - thank you for posting :P) that if they want to have their cake and eat it too - maybe split EVE do something that allows the casual player to just play. Maybe a flat fee to play internet spaceships or into two servers with one being just gaming for a fee? The hardcore people - let them keep the Nex shop, huge powerbloc alliances, and all that goodness. My other .02 isk.

Fly safe

Your thoughts?

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.08.30 02:18:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Ugleb
It seems very odd that the belated new forums and equally belated new api key system weren't mentioned at all in the blog. Even stranger given that there is nothing notable in the patch notes concerning CQ.

I am actually surprised at how little seems to be happening with CQ in this patch, I was expecting it to be mostly CQ bug fixes.


This.

Yvan Ratamnim
Posted - 2011.08.30 04:12:00 - [200]
 

patch notes just made me sad

carbon io for clientside put off till "later date", no new CQ, no word of establishments, no word of any real improvements or noteable features i mean honestly half of the patch notes are evegate which are NOT client side patch updates.... WTF

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.30 09:02:00 - [201]
 

Just wanted to express my admiration at CCP trailing the removal of station session timers in front of us then snatching it away at the last minute. Once again: we were trolled by the masters as they remove the one genuinely worthwhile element of this patch.

Crellion
Parental Control
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.08.30 10:55:00 - [202]
 

I think this whole "patch" is a form of metatrolling by CCP devnerds and we have just been trolled...

ugh

Besbin
Posted - 2011.08.30 12:46:00 - [203]
 

Edited by: Besbin on 30/08/2011 12:46:54
Originally by: Malcanis
Just wanted to express my admiration at CCP trailing the removal of station session timers in front of us then snatching it away at the last minute. Once again: we were trolled by the masters as they remove the one genuinely worthwhile element of this patch.


They did. Reread the patch notes.

Although my guess is that load times for Incarna went up high enough to substitute an artificial timer ;-) (which, in all honesty, makes a lot more sense than artificial wait times with nothing happening)

TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.31 05:45:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Yvan Ratamnim
patch notes just made me sad

carbon io for clientside put off till "later date", no new CQ, no word of establishments, no word of any real improvements or noteable features i mean honestly half of the patch notes are evegate which are NOT client side patch updates.... WTF


this! and more! grrr ccp

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.08.31 11:46:00 - [205]
 

I don't think I've seen an expansion with literally so little in it. This isn't forum wars or shouldn't be so why have we wasted another 8 months on it?

With so much unfinished or broken in game why are we seemingly wasting so much time and effort on stuff like a forum revamp.

This isn't a game update in any sense of the word. You've become almost as bad as SOE was during the NGE rollout for SWG, concentrating on the unimportant rather than the things which matter most.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.31 14:07:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
We did not provide a date on when the racial CQs would be released outside of saying this summer. And please watch your tone. There are much better ways to voice your displeasure :D

Yeah; his was not the sort of comment I would make towards CCP; I can fully empathize with his sense of disappointment, though, as I'm sharing it. I had really hoped for other races' Captain's Quarters by now. :(

In a way I can't blame you guys, though: between one group yelling you're going way too fast, vs. another one calling you names for not deploying fast enough, I guess it's hard to find an equitable win-win spot.

Ronald Ray Gun
Posted - 2011.08.31 15:40:00 - [207]
 

CarbonIO will continue to work on the server but will not be activated in the client during this patch but is scheduled for a future deployment.

Crying or Very sad

Bleeding Sakura
Minmatar
Legion of Blood and Iron
Event Horizon Ergonomics
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:47:00 - [208]
 

Edited by: Bleeding Sakura on 31/08/2011 16:49:10
Im not sure if I will even get a reply, but I was wondering when we will be able to mingle in the stations. I know we are still in the learning phase but one can only hope. :) And one more thing, i have been reading up on Dust 514 and i find what you guys are doing is going to change the very fabric of gaming in the near future , but my question is when will we be seeing the changes in Eve?

Itar Sheep
Posted - 2011.09.01 06:47:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Hakuja
CCP, please remember that, for a lot of players/customers, basically,

EVE IS A GAME ABOUT SPACESHIPS


EVE is more than a game about spaceships. There are have been people that play without undocking for ages. They manipulate markets, build the ships you fly, etc. Incarna is about upping the immersion factor of EVE to make it the complete SciFi game. Its an ambitious aim and CCP are going to stumble along the way.

It looks as though this is a patch that does things behind the scenes, in particular it looks as though CCP are addressing some of the performance issues with CQ. This is a good thing. It would be pretty bad if they introduced new Incarna content without making it better.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:47:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Itar Sheep
Originally by: Hakuja
CCP, please remember that, for a lot of players/customers, basically,

EVE IS A GAME ABOUT SPACESHIPS


EVE is more than a game about spaceships. There are have been people that play without undocking for ages. They manipulate markets, build the ships you fly, etc. Incarna is about upping the immersion factor of EVE to make it the complete SciFi game. Its an ambitious aim and CCP are going to stumble along the way.

It looks as though this is a patch that does things behind the scenes, in particular it looks as though CCP are addressing some of the performance issues with CQ. This is a good thing. It would be pretty bad if they introduced new Incarna content without making it better.


So what exactly in this patch accomplishes anything you suggest?

New Forums....nope
New Eve Gate crap....nope (honestly none of my friends have used that wall in months its practically useless).
Changes to the API....nope....just a way for them to shut down 3rd party apps eventually

So basically nothing in this patch in any way improves gameplay, nothing, not one thing....

The few optimization changes could of been hot patched....




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