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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 10:11:00 - [31]
 

Please stay on topic people. There are plenty of whine threads to discuss theory in. This thread is for evidence indicating just how often this happens. I do not want to have to stary reporting all the off topic posters that can't undertsand this.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.19 10:18:00 - [32]
 

No one is answering your question because they are all docked up raging at the ebil afk cloakers.

So in effect there are little to no kills from them.

Also do you know whats really fun?

Afk cloaking in your sb then once everyone logs or docks up you rat in their belts.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 10:33:00 - [33]
 

But... That's almost like you are in control of their space, in your frig!

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:07:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Stupid troll thread full of stupid posters.

Yes, no one dies to AFK cloaking, but at one time the cloaker will decloak, usually when a friendly gang to him is nearby so he can grab a worthwile target, or he is flying force recon ship, quickly engaging a non-pvp ship, then cloaking again.

There are tactics against cloaking but most of them require having a force on standby to deal with the cloaker, or rather his friends. Yes it can be done, but the problem is, the cloaking requires zero effort from the cloaker but keeping a friendly fleet on standby for an indefinate period will exhaust and frustrate them without firing a single shot.

At least some countermeasures will have to be put ingame, at least so much that a cloaker can never really stay afk for a long time.


You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.

You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!

You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.

See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.

You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.

Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:15:00 - [35]
 

I think the OP is afraid of possible danger. Since u often do not know what ship the afk cloaker is in u cant expect anything. Try after dt to log on and watch him log on, hit directional scan and u prob get his ship type. just get a falcon alt or something, or if its a bomber a sb'd arazu alt or cynojam the system, now your completly safe again.

ps: L4 missions in empire might be more something for u, u can bear all u want in totaly safyness, netting a 40-45 mil isk per hour!!

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:28:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 11:29:24
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
[2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.




This happened fairly recently in my wormhole... there was a stealth bomber in our hole looking for prey, as stealth bombers hiding in wormholes tend to do. My besto warps to a customs center, as soon as warp drops I'm starting warp to the next center. Transfer goods as the red flashes on my overview and >BOOM< as the first torpedo hits, taking me a good third of the way through armor.

Warp engages while the second torp is in the air.

Oh, hey, look! Didnt' waste time sitting idle in space, had the bestower tanked. Helpful hint... your hauler only needs enough cargo space to carry what you need to carry... the rest is wasted.

Cloaked vessels don't kill people, they just finish the job that your own stupid already started.

As far as "staying on topic"... I haven't been popped by an afk stealth bomber to date.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:30:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 11:29:24
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
[2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.




This happened fairly recently in my wormhole... there was a stealth bomber in our hole looking for prey, as stealth bombers hiding in wormholes tend to do. My besto warps to a customs center, as soon as warp drops I'm starting warp to the next center. Transfer goods as the red flashes on my overview and >BOOM< as the first torpedo hits, taking me a good third of the way through armor.

Warp engages while the second torp is in the air.

Oh, hey, look! Didnt' waste time sitting idle in space, had the bestower tanked. Helpful hint... your hauler only needs enough cargo space to carry what you need to carry... the rest is wasted.

Cloaked vessels don't kill people, they just finish the job that your own stupid already started.

As far as "staying on topic"... I haven't been popped by an afk stealth bomber to date.


Can I get an Amen on this one please. For the love of god. Something so simple made so complicated.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:40:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Thornat


You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.

You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!

You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.

See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.

You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.


Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:44:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Thornat


You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.

You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!

You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.

See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.

You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.


Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.


Isnt that premise the whole argument for guerilla wars or terrorists? A samll number or single person can cause tons of disruption to a larger entity?
Basically if I was afking in a system and they perchance offered me an incentive to move on I might take them up on the offer. Could actually see it as a nice little way of earning isk so in fact you could call "system disruption services" a valid job in the EVE world.

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:44:00 - [40]
 


Ceelah
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:56:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Ceelah on 19/08/2011 12:16:16
Anyone ever hear of the "U-Boat"? Carried torpedoes. Submerged so no one could see it. Required a lot of patience. Used wolfpack tactics to sneak up on its prey and then sink it. Very vulnerable once found on the surface. Lots of bang but made of glass.

Sound familiar? In EVE we call them stealth bombers and recons.

I've died to cloakie ships, and I've killed people using them. I've also died while using them. It's a legitimate part of the game that people use well. Get over it. Stop whining. Just because you haven't figured out that undocking without a plan to deal with a neut in local is a bad idea doesn't mean the game is broken or someone is cheating.

For F*ck sake, stop shouting in green and yellow. Maybe you're getting ganked because you're annoying as all hell.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.19 12:07:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Thornat on 19/08/2011 12:10:58
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Thornat


You know you kind of make sense but I don't know if you noticed but you are actually supporting the cloaker arguments here.

You admit that a cloaked ship alone isn't a threat but one with a group of friends standing by is. Of course! Its called an OP, its what people do in Eve. You get friends together, make a plan and execute. YAY.. Eve works as intended!

You admit that a miner needs friends to defend against cloakers and enemy ops.. YAY BINGO.. DING DING DING.. You got it mate. Thats exactly right.. Mining is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRAINLESS ACTIVITY TO BOT ISK.. its supposed to be part of the gameplay with risks and rewards created by the game mechanics allowance letting players use their imagination and setup any kind of ops they want. Good mining ops have miners, they have haulers and they have a good fleet of defense ships ready to bust anyones ass stupid enough to come in their system.

See you have all the right facts straight, yet your conclusion is that people who run ops to kill people have an advantage over people who are just trying to make a bunch of ISK in low sek and Null space without any effort. Thats EXACTLY the problem. This is a carebear problem, which is the attitude that you are entitled to have an easy way to do everything in the game you want unmolested. Sorry to say but that is not EVE. Eve is all about smart gameplay, tactics, strategy and most important corporations working together to acomplish common goals.

You want to solo in low sec and null sec, you better be ready to be the rabbit in a den of wolves. That is not a broken mechanic, that is the intention of how Eve gameplay is supposed to work.


Both sides of the cloak/anti-cloak situation have their points. I am not saying earning isk is, or should be zero effort, but to point out that have the kind of effort to protect an isk earning effort in 0.0 requires a number of people on standby, while the cloaker can cloak as long as he wants and then only engage while being well rested and when he feels ready to engage. So defending against a cloaker takes a high amount of effort, while the cloaker needs to put practically zero effort in his attempt to disrupt an operation in 0.0. That is the core of the entire problem.


Ya but thats the thing about Eve, you don't get to choose your tactical situations, you can only choose to be prepared. How much effort it takes compared to a lazy cloaker is irrelevant and a cloaker is by no means the only type of operation that will work against you. Mine in low sec for an hour and you will have all sorts of people knocking on your door if your out their in a hulk alone.

The point here is that their is no such thing as effort free operations that have any level of success. That cloaker will get zero kills and zero oppertunities if every mining operation is protected as his whole strategy is basically find unprepared people and exploit them.. which is practically the theme song for PvP and all the tears on this forum of carebears getting poped are the result of people basically taking the lazy route and ensuring they are victims long before they ever start mining.

In Eve preperation is the key, it doesn't matter what other people are doing, it only matters what your doing and your success and failure to be prepared will directly effect wether or not you will be successful.

Its worth pointing out as well that this cloaker will never make any isk when facing preped ops while as a miner working in low sec in a preped group you will make ISK hand over foot. Risk vs. Reward functioning exactly as it should.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that all I'm saying here is that cloaked ships are a very tiny consideration when it comes to running proper mining ops and Im suprised people see it as such a huge problem. Its a joke, a cloaked stealth bomber can't do jack **** to a preper mining crew. Their are far bigger sharks in the water.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.08.19 12:29:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Tokyo Rose
I think the op is trying to be sarcastic in that afk cloakers are no threat to anyone but botters who infinitely log out due to a non blue in local.

I think.


We can only hope.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 12:35:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 12:35:52
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 12:35:25
Originally by: Ingvar Angst

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
[2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.




This happened fairly recently in my wormhole... there was a stealth bomber in our hole looking for prey, as stealth bombers hiding in wormholes tend to do. My besto warps to a customs center, as soon as warp drops I'm starting warp to the next center. Transfer goods as the red flashes on my overview and >BOOM< as the first torpedo hits, taking me a good third of the way through armor.

Warp engages while the second torp is in the air.


you are lucker he didn't use scram over you. How your story will be then?

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Oh, hey, look! Didnt' waste time sitting idle in space

reasonable. Depends of PI you do.

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

had the bestower tanked. Helpful hint... your hauler only needs enough cargo space to carry what you need to carry... the rest is wasted.


You forgot one more hint: do 1 planet a time so you need to haul only 1m3. Laughing
(my 5 planets need hauling 12-13k m3 for 1 time)

However tank is really useful.

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

Cloaked vessels don't kill people, they just finish the job that your own stupid already started.

As far as "staying on topic"... I haven't been popped by an afk stealth bomber to date.

fully agree.
Once i passed good gate camp in my rifter. The gate camp was with ceptors and dictors. But i got out succesfully. Result: remove t3's from the game. They are simply not needed. Any ships can pass any gate camp. Laughing

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.19 12:45:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
you are lucker he didn't use scram over you. How your story will be then?


Hard to say... I shield tank and have a pair of stabilizers. The SB's I've read about and seen in practice seem to like to stay outside scram range anyhow, but you never know. If they try hard enough to earn the kill, odds are in time they will, and hats off to 'em.

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
reasonable. Depends of PI you do.


Four planets produce P1 goods that are transported to a fifth for further processing. So, planets I thru IV, arrive, initiate next warp, open hangar, drag-and-drop, warp off.

Planet V, arrive, initate next warp, open hangar, grab processed goods, drop off P1, warp. With your cargo stacked nicely prior to arrival you can do that rather quickly.


Jenn aSide
Posted - 2011.08.19 12:56:00 - [46]
 

I've never died to an afk cloaker. Still I think the perfect solution is to make cloaks use fuel.....

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:07:00 - [47]
 

This whole topic is a waste of time.

We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so.
After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there.
Obviously we shifted systems Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials.
When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole.
Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again.

The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking.
And that is the problem with afk cloaking.
It is just a lame tactic, and it is abusing a game mechanic.

I could care less if the person decloaks, I want a chance to find and kill the them.
Person sitting afk for 8 hours and they can't be found, that is just a messed up mechanic.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:26:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
you are lucker he didn't use scram over you. How your story will be then?


Hard to say... I shield tank and have a pair of stabilizers.


respect.

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Four planets produce P1 goods that are transported to a fifth for further processing. So, planets I thru IV, arrive, initiate next warp, open hangar, drag-and-drop, warp off.

Planet V, arrive, initate next warp, open hangar, grab processed goods, drop off P1, warp. With your cargo stacked nicely prior to arrival you can do that rather quickly.


well. You have like 7-10 seconds to warp. Will try next time to move stuff so quickly. However i have 5 planets like your fifth. Shocked It would be klicking hell.

Other problem (you missed here) - volume. As i said: i need like 11-13k m3. Not sure i can drop lows for stabs....

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:27:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Signal11th on 19/08/2011 13:28:35
Originally by: Simetraz
This whole topic is a waste of time.

We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so.
After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there.
Obviously we shifted systems Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials.
When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole.
Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again.

The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking.
And that is the problem with afk cloaking.
It is just a lame tactic, and it is abusing a game mechanic.



You say at the bottom of you post there was nothing you could do about it but in the middle you spoke about how you sorted it by attacking the chap's alliance? Sounds like yout beat the afker to me?

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:27:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 19/08/2011 13:27:45
Originally by: Simetraz
This whole topic is a waste of time.

We had a AFK cloaker who sat in system for about a week or so.
After awhile of not being able to do anything about them, other then watch them sit there.
Obviously we shifted systems Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

The end fix was for some of my corpies to go find the offenders alliance and start taking out there industrials.
When the alliance asked why we where going after them we told them about the cloaker that had been sitting in our space just being an A-hole.
Shortly after that he left the a alliance said he wasn't authorized for that action and it won't happen again.

The point being there was nothing we could do to the person that was afking.And that is the problem with afk cloaking...



What the hell? You took the iniative and solved the problem like men, then follow that up by whining there's nothing you could do like a group of nutless wonders? Wake up, you DID SOMETHING, and it worked! Yeah, you had to actively solve the problem instead of having a mechanic solve it for you. I say look down between your legs... those are balls, and you used them. Don't come here and whine about doing it right.

Timeto Die
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:28:00 - [51]
 

I'm always getting mildy annoyed by a high sec cloakers in Jita every night.

I saw local go to 1256 from 1255 and tried to look for him, but couldn't find him, so assume he must have been AFK and cloaked.

No. Wait 1257.
No ... 1254.

Damn these cloakers.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:35:00 - [52]
 

I think we can conclude thus far that death to AFK cloakers is not anything like the reality these cowards like to portray. The issue seems to be with liars making up nonsense to support their desires.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:38:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I think we can conclude thus far that death to AFK cloakers is not anything like the reality these cowards like to portray. The issue seems to be with liars making up nonsense to support their desires.


Shame it took 53 posts to point out the obvious.

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:39:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Signal11th
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
I think we can conclude thus far that death to AFK cloakers is not anything like the reality these cowards like to portray. The issue seems to be with liars making up nonsense to support their desires.


Shame it took 53 posts to point out the obvious.


And not a single logic was used that day.
You don't die to the cloaker, you die to what the cloaker green lights.
As well the OP knows. But the OP is an alt of the usual crowd of alts who crap up the forums, as well CCP know, but they won't do **** about that either.

It's no surprise the worst Eve forums are Eve's forums.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:47:00 - [55]
 

Rat in packs of 5 or more.

You'll find afk cloaker give up wasting their accounts on no free solo raven gank

MMO guys, numbers win guys, no one cares about individuals padded their wallets.


CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:49:00 - [56]
 

Cry all you like, the cloaker has to be there to bring in the 'green light'. no one here has been able to actually prove a situation where an afk cloaker has lead to their death therefore I conclude a lot of the neighing and braying about the SCOURGE of afk cloaking is a product of overactive paranoia and fantasy.

You can cry all you like but the minute you are presented with reasoning and a request for evidence you just harrumph and decide its unfair, without being able to indicate why.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:00:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
i'm failed troll

well said bro

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:03:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 14:03:41
It is like talking to a wall.

What is the purpose of bringing a cloaked ship into a system and just sitting there.
To disrupt a systems usage.
A valid tactic, nobody disputes that.

The point is that an afk cloaker is the same thing as a BOT.
You are saying, yes I want to be able to do this job without being at the keyboard.

Nobody wants to remove the tactic they want to remove the BOT.
There is a difference and if you can't see it, well this whole discussion is over.

The mechanic is flawed and always has been.


CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:05:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
i'm failed troll

well said bro

You are happy to stamp your feet about how terrible this all is but are unable to provide any proof, yet you are all over my thread trying to disrupt it. I am sorry to say that I am not trolling you. I am actually trying to gather some evidence that goes beyond the usual scope of the nerf afk cloaking threads. The fact that you are unable to do anything else but splerge the usual rhetoric and call anyone that opposes your small world view a troll just proves that YOU are in fact the one trolling.

I suggest you hop along now miss rabbit and go find another burrow to poop in.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 14:08:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Simetraz
Edited by: Simetraz on 19/08/2011 14:03:41
It is like talking to a wall.

What is the purpose of bringing a cloaked ship into a system and just sitting there.
To disrupt a systems usage.
A valid tactic, nobody disputes that.

The point is that an afk cloaker is the same thing as a BOT.
You are saying, yes I want to be able to do this job without being at the keyboard.

Nobody wants to remove the tactic they want to remove the BOT.
There is a difference and if you can't see it, well this whole discussion is over.

The mechanic is flawed and always has been.




Yet again, someone is incapable of providing any evidence of death to AFK cloaking but has to chip in with the same tired nonsense. I am reporting this post since you have proven either incapable, or belligerently defiant about disrupting my thread.

Go talk endlessly about this junk in some other thread, it has no place here.


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