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CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:20:00 - [1]
 

POST HERE EVERY TIME YOU DIED BECAUSE OF AN AFK CLOAKER. LET'S TRY TO GET SOME STATISTICS TOGETHER.
The correct term is REMOTE PEBCAK CLOAKING but you may not realise this.

Time to see just how big of an issue this really is.

Demonic Sentiment
Caldari
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:31:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Demonic Sentiment on 19/08/2011 07:32:19
How do you die to an afk cloaker... If they are afk...

Jeffree Star
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:32:00 - [3]
 

Cannot tell if trolling... or just stupid. Confused

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:33:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jeffree Star
Cannot tell if trolling... or just stupid. Confused


Big green and yellow letters?... really can't decide myself, actually.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:35:00 - [5]
 

I think the op is trying to be sarcastic in that afk cloakers are no threat to anyone but botters who infinitely log out due to a non blue in local.

I think.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:38:00 - [6]
 

I have played for quite a number of years now, and I have died a fair bit.

But, you know, looking back I can't remember ever being killed by an AFK cloaker. In fact, I dont think I can ever recall anyone I know being killed by an AFK cloaker.

Its wierd, because there are so many threads with people crying about how dangerous they are....

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:52:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Signal11th on 19/08/2011 07:52:00
Yep after spending a long time in 0.0 I can confirm I never heard of anyone getting tackled let alone killed by a AFK cloaker. In fact with all these whining threads I'm tempted to do it just to pish people off.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:53:00 - [8]
 

One time way back when, I was prowling Period Basis in a Thorax killin spawns and lootin loots. I'd safe and cloak whenever anyone entered my system.

But one day I did this, then later uncloaked and decided to go back to Empire with my loots. And I died in a gatecamp inexplicably set up in the next system. It was as if they were waiting for me. Tobias Sjodin was in it.

So I died from afk cloakin Sad
I guess.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.19 07:54:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jint Hikaru
I have played for quite a number of years now, and I have died a fair bit.

But, you know, looking back I can't remember ever being killed by an AFK cloaker. In fact, I dont think I can ever recall anyone I know being killed by an AFK cloaker.

Its wierd, because there are so many threads with people crying about how dangerous they are....


Ya I been playing for six years I just found out how it works and what it is. Never even heard of it until now, which is why I'm suprised that their is something in the game which apperantly is very lethal that I'm not aware of.

I mean I'm not sure about you guys but I don't see how a cloaker has a chance in hell in poping me in any of my ships that I would rat with or do low sec or null sec missions or anything. I mean strictly speaking cloaked ships, even stealth bombers don't have the DPS to kill any of my ships alone. Maybe a group of them but even that I doubt. Which is why I found it odd that a lone cloaker would be much of a threat alone. I'm still trying to figuire out exactly how this is a threat to anyone except perhaps newbs.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Thornat
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
I have played for quite a number of years now, and I have died a fair bit.

But, you know, looking back I can't remember ever being killed by an AFK cloaker. In fact, I dont think I can ever recall anyone I know being killed by an AFK cloaker.

Its wierd, because there are so many threads with people crying about how dangerous they are....


Ya I been playing for six years I just found out how it works and what it is. Never even heard of it until now, which is why I'm suprised that their is something in the game which apperantly is very lethal that I'm not aware of.

I mean I'm not sure about you guys but I don't see how a cloaker has a chance in hell in poping me in any of my ships that I would rat with or do low sec or null sec missions or anything. I mean strictly speaking cloaked ships, even stealth bombers don't have the DPS to kill any of my ships alone. Maybe a group of them but even that I doubt. Which is why I found it odd that a lone cloaker would be much of a threat alone. I'm still trying to figuire out exactly how this is a threat to anyone except perhaps newbs.


People try to wrap it up in many guises but basically people moan about "cloakers" because it stops them ratting and carebearing it up in 0.0.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:20:00 - [11]
 

Some people need to realise that an AFK cloaker may very well un-AFK at any given moment and get some easy kills. What's stop them? They could un-cloak and run a few quick D-scans.

Some don't uncloak, and simply do it to cause grief or stop bots (?)
You never know whether an AFK cloaker is a danger or not! Wink

AFK cloaking's mechanics should be changed. They most likely will during the 0.0 changes.
IMO, cloaking is fine, but there could be an automatic decloak after 10-30mins, which can be re-enabled before the cycle even ends by clicking the module.
Some players may use an automated macro to get around this, but I don't think griefers will want to break the rules Very Happy


Also, I feel bad for posting my opinions and ideas in a troll thread ugh

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:23:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Some people need to realise that an AFK cloaker may very well un-AFK at any given moment and get some easy kills. What's stop them? They could un-cloak and run a few quick D-scans.

Some don't uncloak, and simply do it to cause grief or stop bots (?)
You never know whether an AFK cloaker is a danger or not! Wink

AFK cloaking's mechanics should be changed. They most likely will during the 0.0 changes.
IMO, cloaking is fine, but there could be an automatic decloak after 10-30mins, which can be re-enabled before the cycle even ends by clicking the module.
Some players may use an automated macro to get around this, but I don't think griefers will want to break the rules Very Happy


Also, I feel bad for posting my opinions and ideas in a troll thread ugh


I understand your pain but you actually make a valid point. every 15/30mins the cloak disenages. Easy enough to turn back on if your actually playing the game.

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Some people need to realise that an AFK cloaker may very well un-AFK at any given moment and get some easy kills. What's stop them? They could un-cloak and run a few quick D-scans.

Some don't uncloak, and simply do it to cause grief or stop bots (?)
You never know whether an AFK cloaker is a danger or not! Wink

AFK cloaking's mechanics should be changed. They most likely will during the 0.0 changes.
IMO, cloaking is fine, but there could be an automatic decloak after 10-30mins, which can be re-enabled before the cycle even ends by clicking the module.
Some players may use an automated macro to get around this, but I don't think griefers will want to break the rules Very Happy


Also, I feel bad for posting my opinions and ideas in a troll thread ugh


Ooh I just thought of a great application for macroing re-cloaking. Look at me I'm as clever as other bot miners!

ya no...

Its simple, if their is an AFK cloaker in the system and you don't have the skills or friends to defend against it, move on to another system. That is what you have to do to survive as a newbie unable to fend for himself out in low sec and 0.0.

I have to side with the cloakers on this one. Given that its so easy to circumvent (just go to another system) or (make sure you can tank one), I don't really see a problem with it at all. If their is a in game way to solve your problem, thats where the problem should be solved.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:34:00 - [14]
 

Does this count?

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:42:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.

1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)

2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D

This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.

You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.

1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)

2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D

This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.

You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D



I don't understand this, which is a pity - I wish I did!

AFK Cloaker
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:58:00 - [17]
 


Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:59:00 - [18]
 

AFK cloaker fanboiz love it because they can just put an alt in a system for 10 hours, cloaked and ready to strike, then get on with playing on theirs mains, or posting on the forums about how AFK cloaking is harmless.

Have you tried starting a mining corp just to gank everybody who joins? That too is awesome.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
...This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.

You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D


Feel free to post any concrete examples rather than theory.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
AFK cloaker fanboiz love it because they can just put an alt in a system for 10 hours, cloaked and ready to strike, then get on with playing on theirs mains, or posting on the forums about how AFK cloaking is harmless.

Have you tried starting a mining corp just to gank everybody who joins? That too is awesome.
This is eve.

Nothing is supposed to be fair.

Though the nullsec fanboiz all cry emo tears when some harmless afk cloaker only out to have a bit of lulz by disrupting an entire system sits at a safe doing absolutely nothing at all as the main carries on with the normal daily chores.

Does an afk cloaker sometimes turn out to be a cyno equiped front man? Sure. But thats pretty damn rare and no one ever falls for it.

Meh, 99.9999999% of the rage is from bot users who can't adapt to the mechanic.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Feel free to post any concrete examples rather than theory.

you want to gather some tears? do it yourself Laughing

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:09:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.

1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)

2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D

This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.

You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D



I get what your saying and I think their is a lot of truth to it, but really at the heart of the issue is that people in Eve often try to simplify ops down to the laziest, simplest and most effective way to generate the most income. Anything that requires active participation becomes a burden to them and is written off as not worth it because the ISK earning is not maximized as a result of complicating the operation a bit. Most of the issues your talking about can be solved by involving a friend or two and creating operations that rely on more than just "I hope you we don't get attacked".

In Eve you have to be smart and I agree that flying a cloaked ship is a huge advantage that allows you to expose the weaknesses of other operations going on and offers a relative safety.. that is until you unlcoak at which point it becomes painfully obvious (to anyone that flys a cloaked ship) that while not cloaked you are extremly vulnerable. Cloaked ships are paper thin and their is not a whole lot that can be done to change that fact. A cloaked ship that decloaks in your system has played its hand, at which point its time to play yours. The problem with most of these mining operations and mission running ops is that these players have no plan in place. Their entire operation is formed on the basis of "hope no one jumps in the system".

If you go into it with the assumption that "WE WILL GET ATTACKED" and formulate a proper plane to deal with it, your odds of coming out on top are extremly good, in particular to lone wolf cloakers.

Again the problem here is laziness, people just aren't willing to put up the proper operational efforts to ensure that their ops aren't so easy to disrupt. Most of that laziness comes in the form of "I don't want to PvP" aka the carebear syndrome and for that their is no cure because in low sec and null sec you are in a place where you WILL PvP like it or not. IF you don't want to PvP, don't go to low and null sec, its that simple. If you go their you have to be ready to fight for your right to be their.

That is the founding principle of low sec and null sec, fighting for your right to be their. Its not a right you deserve, its one you earn through fighting.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:11:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
AFK cloaker fanboiz love it because they can just put an alt in a system for 10 hours, cloaked and ready to strike, then get on with playing on theirs mains, or posting on the forums about how AFK cloaking is harmless.

Have you tried starting a mining corp just to gank everybody who joins? That too is awesome.


The secret to dealing with AFK cloakers is to grow a spine.

Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:26:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.

1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)

2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D

This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.

You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D



I think you don't know what "AFK" means.

CaldariCitizen19082011
Caldari
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:34:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Jemima Puddle****
Feel free to post any concrete examples rather than theory.

you want to gather some tears? do it yourself Laughing


This is an intel gathering thread. My statistics alone are not going to prove anything.

Cynoska McNamara
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Adrie Atticus
Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:43:18
Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 19/08/2011 08:42:03
real danger from afk cloakers is for miners and haulers.

1) You mine
I'm pretty sure you don't use logistics ship targeted you and restoring your shilds all the time. One Sb's attack and hulk is deas fast. Tanking drake on field can't help - Sb is simply faster. Even more if tank is in "tanking aggro from rats afk mode" as most people do.
Defence: mine in grav sites. 99% of roamers simply don't use probes to scan down gravs. You are safe there (if you watched what do incoming neutral)

2) You do PI or hauling
Well. You never know if that "afk cloaked" is active or not and you dont know where is he.
You warp to customs center, he decloaks and BOOM.
You undocked - uncloak, scram, BOOM
You entered system - uncloak, scram, BOOM
Defence: using logi ship all the time :D

This is 2 cases when people whine about afk and when afk cloaker really hurts people.

You can't go to another system. To mine you need move your ships and hauling. To do PI.... :D



I think you don't know what "AFK" means.

I think he/she knows. When 2 SB stay for a week in system cloaked AFK.. then decide to attack an hulk and destroy it.. how I could call them? Clock Bomb Cloakers?

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:55:00 - [27]
 

If it's so harmless, so without danger, so unthreatening, so useless, why are so many people doing it?
Where do those cynos come from?
Why is that intel fed back?
Why is there no counter? (derp, cry whine, yes there is cry whine. No, no there is not)

Why are so many people doing this thing, that has no inherent danger for those they do it to?

Oh that's right, I just shot your entire ridiculous theory right in the balls. You know exactly why you're doing it and what it would mean if CCP ever had the idea to stop you. But since they never have, don't you think you should just be worrying less about AFK CCP nerfers?
They're not out to get you, they are just out to nerf things that are bad, they are no threat to you if they are afk and nerfing other things.

Stop worrying about your bottom feeding, it's not going anywhere.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:59:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cashcow Golden Goose
If it's so harmless, so without danger, so unthreatening, so useless, why are so many people doing it?
To collect your golden forum tears of course.

That and the fact that it drives botters into a shaking spit slinging rage when they come home to zero isk farmed.

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.08.19 10:00:00 - [29]
 

The only time ANYONE dies is because of AFK cloaking... haven't you heard?

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.19 10:06:00 - [30]
 

Stupid troll thread full of stupid posters.

Yes, no one dies to AFK cloaking, but at one time the cloaker will decloak, usually when a friendly gang to him is nearby so he can grab a worthwile target, or he is flying force recon ship, quickly engaging a non-pvp ship, then cloaking again.

There are tactics against cloaking but most of them require having a force on standby to deal with the cloaker, or rather his friends. Yes it can be done, but the problem is, the cloaking requires zero effort from the cloaker but keeping a friendly fleet on standby for an indefinate period will exhaust and frustrate them without firing a single shot.

At least some countermeasures will have to be put ingame, at least so much that a cloaker can never really stay afk for a long time.


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