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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.08.20 17:45:00 - [31]
 

Greetings:

http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=232688 -- only in a Tengu.

I've yet to see any other T3 come close.

Is the Tengu op?

Thank you.

Sluzzytimes
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:38:00 - [32]
 

Everyone seemed to forget the most important point of all.

The tengu is the sexiest Tech 3. Thats what makes it OP!!

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:40:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Muad ''dib on 20/08/2011 18:43:57
they are the ****

and btw mara, mystical might had about 25 ships in total to deal with, so 7-8 ships escaped.

Sluzzytimes
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:42:00 - [34]
 

Oh and, the tengu is one of the few shining lights that make alot of people keep playing eve. It makes many not cancel their subs.

Doubt ccp will nerf it!

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:48:00 - [35]
 

@ Mara: That's like saying the Cynabal is overpowered because it can take on a gang and survive (See Related Link).
It's not so much the fit that allows certain ships to face a blob and survive. It's how people fly the ship that matters. I'm not boasting. I'm just responding to the link you've brought up. ;P


ArtyBal

Leela Starkweather
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:52:00 - [36]
 

+1 to this topic for the simple reason min fw have to use an amarr fw pilot to prove awesomeness. Shame they can't just use their own pilots. Oh wai...

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.20 19:02:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Leela Starkweather
+1 to this topic for the simple reason min fw have to use an amarr fw pilot to prove awesomeness. Shame they can't just use their own pilots. Oh wai...


YARRRR!!

CaptainFalcon07
Posted - 2011.08.20 19:05:00 - [38]
 

To be fair the tengu is not overpowered as people say. It is the best for PVE with over 800 dps at 100km and able to tank 500+ dps with a deadspace small shield booster and tech 2 hardeners.

But when you try to fit it for PVP it has some limitations:

1. It's powergrid is lacking so you need to use the powercore subsystem which reduces you to only having 5 launchers. You can try using reactor controls and other mods to increase grid for you to have 6 launchers, but that gimps your ship entirely. Using Heavy assault launchers eat away your grid even more, leaving Heavy Launchers to use.

2. Naturally shield buffer is weaker than armor buffer and compounded with that fact that there are no implants to increase hp like slaves do for armor. The tengu's passive buffer tank will be on the lower End for the T3 class. The Tengu like many other shield ships is not fit for brawling.

3. The tengu have little means of actually defeating well piloted frigates since it's main weapon sub has no drones.

What the tengu excels at is an active tank kiting role, the tengu is second to none in this category.

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.20 23:58:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 20/08/2011 23:59:24
Originally by: Mystical Might
YARRRR!!


This forum needs a smug emote so badly right now...

At any rate, that fleet Mystical soloed was pretty damned bad. ABing, no neut curse, jesus ****, what the ****? I'm not saying the Tengu isn't head and shoulders above other T3s, but damn that's a bad example.

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:27:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 20/08/2011 23:59:24
Originally by: Mystical Might
YARRRR!!


This forum needs a smug emote so badly right now...

At any rate, that fleet Mystical soloed was pretty damned bad. ABing, no neut curse, jesus ****, what the ****? I'm not saying the Tengu isn't head and shoulders above other T3s, but damn that's a bad example.


A Smug Face would be a big plus right now. Smile.

On a side note, I think mara chose the battlereport because of the number of people that died in the fight, out of the gang that they had. I've had success with the tengu in other 1vsGangs, (Much Smaller Fight, Granted,) but the overall performance of the tengu is still awesome.

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:29:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Mara Abraham on 21/08/2011 21:28:52
Good day:

I picked that particular report for three reasons:


  • I respect Mystical Might as a combat pilot; he is mystically good.

  • 24/25 vs. one with 14 dying and the one living (at least to me) shows the Tengu as an op ship

  • I don't believe any of the other T3's, even if piloted by Mystical Might, could have had the same performance



Thank you.

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:38:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Muad ''dib on 21/08/2011 21:38:48
He flys a very specific fit for taking out exactly gangs like that, thats not overpowered that is EXACLTLY what the strategic cruiser is about, being focused on a specific outcome to a specific gang type.

What he did there could have been done by a prot, loki or even legion had they been setup as specificly as he was.

If i had been with mysty at the time they would have all died.

Its not the tengus fault and seriously leave it alone its the only excellent pvp ship the caldari's have.

Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.21 21:45:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Mystical Might on 21/08/2011 21:49:03
I'm going to go with the "Tengu Isn't OP" Arguement.
I say this because counters for the tengu aren't few and far between. It just depends on the pilots.
There's nothing game breaking about the tengu.


For Player Vs CCPRatsOfFail, anything is good there. I guess the tengu is liked due to the small signature, the small shield booster set up and the fact that it can hit for full damage over a wide range of the rats (Unlike, for example, a torp golem. Have fun hitting a frigate for full damage brah.)



Edit: Ohbtw, Posting in a Mystical Might FanBoi Thread.

pussnheels
Amarr
Vintage heavy industries
Posted - 2011.08.22 07:44:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Xyrdiana

the legion is the worst T3 cruiser sadly, it looks awesome but for pretty much anything it can do there are speciallised ships which do it better Sad it can work but... it'll be subpar to anything else



Umm i think you have a different opinion about the legion , in my opinion a legion performs almost as good as a tengu, with the added bonus that it works both in missile configiration ( hamlegion) as in a pulse laser (pulselegion) config,only difference is range ; 80 k+ for a tengu and 40k+ with a legion using pulse lasers.but with a decent tank that shouldn't matter
granted if you want a neuter go for a curse if you want a pulse lazer sniper go for a zealot , those ships are specialized in what they do and alot cheaper, but the fact that you can optimise the ship for the mission, be it pvp, pve etc etc... makes the legion just as good as the tengu and just as vulnerable to web scram combo s

Besides the legion sex appeal so much higher than the tengu that it hurts

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.08.22 14:53:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Mors Magne on 22/08/2011 15:10:22
Originally by: pussnheels
Originally by: Xyrdiana

the legion is the worst T3 cruiser sadly, it looks awesome but for pretty much anything it can do there are speciallised ships which do it better Sad it can work but... it'll be subpar to anything else



Umm i think you have a different opinion about the legion , in my opinion a legion performs almost as good as a tengu, with the added bonus that it works both in missile configiration ( hamlegion) as in a pulse laser (pulselegion) config,only difference is range ; 80 k+ for a tengu and 40k+ with a legion using pulse lasers.but with a decent tank that shouldn't matter
granted if you want a neuter go for a curse if you want a pulse lazer sniper go for a zealot , those ships are specialized in what they do and alot cheaper, but the fact that you can optimise the ship for the mission, be it pvp, pve etc etc... makes the legion just as good as the tengu and just as vulnerable to web scram combo s

Besides the legion sex appeal so much higher than the tengu that it hurts



Me too - I prefer the Legion. For the use I put my Legion to, it's the best ship to use:

I ninja rat in 0.0. For this I use: the interdiction nullifier, covert ops module, the sexy looking probe launcher module, the armor repairer boost module, and a cap boost module (can't remember which of the two).

With this combination of modules, the Legion has the best tank by far and the joint highest gank (with the proteus). You can also carry almost infinate ammo.

If you want 'the freedom of the stars' (solo) and survive, I think the Legion is the best ship by far. Obviously, it is limited by its cruiser-class size / abilities, but you can't have everything!

North Ra
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:47:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: North Ra on 23/08/2011 14:47:45
Hi guys,
I'm sort of new. I used to play 4 years ago (back before you could even overheat your weapons) and have recently come back.

I noticed a lot of people talking here how the t3s arent really balanced between the four. My questions is, be that statement true or not, how good has CCP been with balancing this sort of stuff in the past?

My character isnt a complete noob (just got into a nightmare, but i still feel like one), so I'm a long way from a t3. Am I wasting my time holding my breath for the Legion to become better or should I forget the idea of flying one and tech up to something else?

Thanks lads

CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate
Posted - 2011.08.23 16:12:00 - [47]
 

The legion is fine, and i mean TOTALLY fine
The reason there is so much perceived awesomeness on the others is that look at the cruiser line ups BEFORE the t3
Caldari hacs were awful = Tengu is awesome
Gallente Hacs were 50% awful = Wow proteus a working drone + blaster boat
Minmitar hacs were high speed low tank = Loki omg speedy and good tank

This is where the difference starts, the Zealot is awesome, and the other one is super tanky, also the recons for amarr are borderline OP with a single curse on the field some gangs wont go near you

The legion does its job perfectly, Its a decent tanky high dps boat, its versatile and awesome

Its just not much of an upgrade over its lower tech cruiser hulls

The others ARE

North Ra
Posted - 2011.08.23 16:54:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: CyberRaver
The legion is fine, and i mean TOTALLY fine
The reason there is so much perceived awesomeness on the others is that look at the cruiser line ups BEFORE the t3
Caldari hacs were awful = Tengu is awesome
Gallente Hacs were 50% awful = Wow proteus a working drone + blaster boat
Minmitar hacs were high speed low tank = Loki omg speedy and good tank

This is where the difference starts, the Zealot is awesome, and the other one is super tanky, also the recons for amarr are borderline OP with a single curse on the field some gangs wont go near you

The legion does its job perfectly, Its a decent tanky high dps boat, its versatile and awesome

Its just not much of an upgrade over its lower tech cruiser hulls

The others ARE


thanks a lot!

I'm trying to think of how to ask this, without sounding like a ****. I mean, you didnt answer my question, so how well does CCP address balance issues? (i guess this counts as high-jacking the thread)

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.23 17:05:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: North Ra
so how well does CCP address balance issues? (i guess this counts as high-jacking the thread)


They don't.

Jegsar Omega
Posted - 2011.08.23 23:41:00 - [50]
 

for everyone that is defending the tengu's over poweredness then tell me. How do I kill one assuming both players are on the same skill level (IRL) and it is a 1v1 fight...

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.23 23:45:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Aamrr on 23/08/2011 23:46:02
Another Tengu? Bhaalgorn could probably do the job as well.

Edit: Or a vindicator, if you're able to get into range.

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.24 00:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jegsar Omega
How do I kill one assuming both players are on the same skill level (IRL) and it is a 1v1 fight...


Hurricane, dual medium neuts, 425s, 3x gyros and EMP in, get right on top of him, overload the guns and press F1.

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.24 23:06:00 - [53]
 

This is a great list, the devs will know just what to nerf ugh

Daniel Plain
Posted - 2011.08.24 23:37:00 - [54]
 

just out of curiosity, how would you rank the effectiveness of the t3 ships in wormhole pve?
my ranking would be something like:

tengu 10/10
legion 9.5/10
loki 8/10
proteus 6/10

drake 5/10
hurricane 4/10
pod 0/10

does anyone have major corrections?

fgft Athonille
Posted - 2011.08.25 02:49:00 - [55]
 

for slaughtering ivy league, take a gander at those fits. Shocked anything with active tank and ganglink support could have blown them up

but yes tengu is basically the only choice for t3s unless you want tanky weby with loki. nothing else is viable compared to the tengu.

pussnheels
Amarr
Vintage heavy industries
Posted - 2011.08.25 06:53:00 - [56]
 

the question are t3 cruisers overpowered ,I don't think so , losing one is a big isk loss and i don t think there are many people who can afford losing a t3 repeatatly in pvp
in pve ..?? dedicated battleships and marauders can do mission faster than a t3 unless you are blitzing missions ratting , great ships but see price tag a bc can rats belt rats just as fine for a tenth of the price a t3 cost
So yes they are powerfull ships as intended but they sure have their weakness, they pretty vulnerable to webs since most of them rely for a large part on their speed for their tank especially the tengu

i already flown 3 of the 4 t3 on 3 differnt accounts of mine and the only one i still have to try out is the loki , that will be the next training plan for this character , i am looking forward to it

But overpowered , naah price tag and some damn good pvp players takes care of that

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.25 16:17:00 - [57]
 

"why is everyone always wanting the tengu!?"


Cos itsa BAD MAN SHIP, yer get me??!


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