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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 16:53:00 - [1]
 

Normal 32bit windows OS can only use 3.5-4 Gbs of memory.

Most of us enjoy running multiple eve online clinets at once.
Not all of us can afford or desire a 64 bit OS.


The solution is something called Kernal Patching. the 32 bit OS can handle just as much ram as the 64 bit OS can. It's just a marketing con that M$ dose to make you spend more.

You run a few programs and set up your persistent booting settings and bam you're 32 bit copy of vista or 7 is using all 42Gbs of RAM you installed are you ASUS motherboard.

Then you can run hundreds of eve clients with little to no lag.


What is CCP's stance/opinion on this?

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.18 16:55:00 - [2]
 

While riding around town yesterday I saw a street named "Xenia" and it took me 2 seconds to figure out why it sounded familiar...

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.18 16:57:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Normal 32bit windows OS can only use 3.5-4 Gbs of memory.

Most of us enjoy running multiple eve online clinets at once.
Not all of us can afford or desire a 64 bit OS.


The solution is something called Kernal Patching. the 32 bit OS can handle just as much ram as the 64 bit OS can. It's just a marketing con that M$ dose to make you spend more.

You run a few programs and set up your persistent booting settings and bam you're 32 bit copy of vista or 7 is using all 42Gbs of RAM you installed are you ASUS motherboard.

Then you can run hundreds of eve clients with little to no lag.


What is CCP's stance/opinion on this?


Everyone can afford a 64 bit OS as they are free.


Wile EC
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:00:00 - [4]
 

I can't wait to hear the technical argument on this one Laughing

*grabs popcorn*



Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:12:00 - [5]
 

In before the move.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:14:00 - [6]
 

Why would CCP have a stance on you breaking the licensing limitation on your OS?

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:47:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Why would CCP have a stance on you breaking the licensing limitation on your OS?


because doing so would allow somebody to run several hundred eve clients at once.

I can only run about 48-50 eve client at once. Imagine what I could accomplish if I could run 400 eve clients.

haulolo
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Tippia
Why would CCP have a stance on you breaking the licensing limitation on your OS?


because doing so would allow somebody to run several hundred eve clients at once.

I can only run about 48-50 eve client at once. Imagine what I could accomplish if I could run 400 eve clients.


Imagine what I could accomplish if I could run one million eve clients !1

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:57:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
because doing so would allow somebody to run several hundred eve clients at once.
…which doesn't really answer the question: why should CCP care if you break your OS license? What you're asking here is no different than asking if you're allowed to multi-client, which you are. So they quite explicitly don't care about that, and your dealings with MS is not really their business to care about to begin with.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.08.18 17:59:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Normal 32bit windows OS can only use 3.5-4 Gbs of memory.

Most of us enjoy running multiple eve online clinets at once.
Not all of us can afford or desire a 64 bit OS.


you can't afford the 64bit system, but you can afford the extra ram?, and you don't desire you run a 64bit os, but you want the 64bit cpu?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:02:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: dexington
you can't afford the 64bit system, but you can afford the extra ram?
Good point. Doesn't RAM qualify as one of those "core components" that retailers use as an excuse to sell OEM licenses of Windows?

Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:02:00 - [12]
 

not only that... you can afford 200 eve accounts but not a 64bit OS ?

Jackson Millenius
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:04:00 - [13]
 


Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:08:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Malken
not only that... you can afford 200 eve accounts but not a 64bit OS ?



Read the OP please.

Going from 32 to 64 bit requires a CLEAN INSTAL. Which is something I will not do...

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:12:00 - [15]
 

Nice to see you last night, Xenuria! :)

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:12:00 - [16]
 

Perhaps you could spend the money you save by not updating on some English lessons.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:15:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Going from 32 to 64 bit requires a CLEAN INSTAL. Which is something I will not do...


Not true, besides it seems kinda stupid to run a 64bit CPU on a 32bit OS just because you don't want to upgrade the OS...

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:18:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Xenuria
Going from 32 to 64 bit requires a CLEAN INSTAL. Which is something I will not do...


Not true, besides it seems kinda stupid to run a 64bit CPU on a 32bit OS just because you don't want to upgrade the OS...


1/10

Nowhere did I say anything about a CPU or a 64 bit cpu vs a 32 bit one.


Also that is TRUE. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. If there was a clean safe way to upgrade my Vista 32 bit to a 64 bit without a clean install I would do it.

Zylaphone
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:23:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Something something something Vista something something.


LOL

Anyways, to answer your question, no CCP doesn't care.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:27:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
1/10

Nowhere did I say anything about a CPU or a 64 bit cpu vs a 32 bit one.


You said that the CPU was able to do 64bit memory allocation, use more then 4GB of ram, if not i don't see what you would get from trying to patch the kernel.


Originally by: Xenuria
Also that is TRUE. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. If there was a clean safe way to upgrade my Vista 32 bit to a 64 bit without a clean install I would do it.


You can update 32bit XP to 64bit Win7 without any problems, just follow the guided installer...

Jackson Millenius
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:31:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zylaphone
Originally by: Xenuria
Something something something Vista something something.


LOL

Anyways, to answer your question, no CCP doesn't care.



Lol...

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:32:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Xenuria
1/10

Nowhere did I say anything about a CPU or a 64 bit cpu vs a 32 bit one.


You said that the CPU was able to do 64bit memory allocation, use more then 4GB of ram, if not i don't see what you would get from trying to patch the kernel.


Originally by: Xenuria
Also that is TRUE. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary. If there was a clean safe way to upgrade my Vista 32 bit to a 64 bit without a clean install I would do it.


You can update 32bit XP to 64bit Win7 without any problems, just follow the guided installer...


I do not have windows XP.
I have windows Vista Ultimate 32Bit

Which means as I said before It is not possible to upgrade to a 64Bit Version without a Clean Instal.

Back when I was upgrading from XP to Vista Ultimate I encountered the option to Upgrade to 64 bit. I chose most unwisely.

Dhaul
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:42:00 - [23]
 

32 bit operating systems still exist?

chicoree
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dhaul
32 bit operating systems still exist?

We still live in a 32 bit world!

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:10:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Xenuria on 18/08/2011 19:20:51
" Can I upgrade from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version of Windows?

No. If you are currently running a 32-bit version of Windows, you can only perform an upgrade to another 32-bit version of Windows. Similarly, if you are running a 64-bit version of Windows, you can only perform an upgrade to another 64-bit version of Windows.

If you want to move from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version of Windows Vista or vice versa, you'll need to back up your files and then choose the Custom option during Windows Vista installation. Then, you'll need to restore your files and reinstall your programs. For more information, see Installing and reinstalling Windows Vista.

For detailed information about installing and upgrading 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows, go to Installation choices for Windows Vista (32-bit) or Installation choices for Windows Vista (64-bit) online."


Let's stay on topic..

The point of this thread is Kernal Patching and how that effects the EvE online client if at all.


I want to know from a CCP person is having a Self-Signed or Patched Kernal has any effect on running the eve online client or is in any way against the terms of use of EvE online.


That is what this thread is about.

Trolling quote removed. Zymurgist

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Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:38:00 - [26]
 

Moved from General Discussion and cleaned of trolling posts.

Korii K'naar
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:54:00 - [27]
 

For the love of all that is computable, spell kernel correctly. I don't really think that CCP can say "Oh yeah, breaking Microsoft's EULA is totally fine with us." Both antivirus & rootkit software will patch the kernel, generally without telling you, and this is not the sort of thing that application software usually checks for (besides, it can be obscured at the user level anyways, in the case of a rootkit).

PAE (the ability for the OS to address more than 4GB while still using 32 bit addresses) is probably fine for running multiple clients, since no one client needs more than the addressable 4GB of vm. It is possible that there are drivers that will choke; I'd do some googling to make sure that the graphics drivers in particular are able to cope. Not that I'm encouraging you to run hundreds of clients -- one is quite enough.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:58:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Korii K'naar
For the love of all that is computable, spell kernel correctly. I don't really think that CCP can say "Oh yeah, breaking Microsoft's EULA is totally fine with us." Both antivirus & rootkit software will patch the kernel, generally without telling you, and this is not the sort of thing that application software usually checks for (besides, it can be obscured at the user level anyways, in the case of a rootkit).

PAE (the ability for the OS to address more than 4GB while still using 32 bit addresses) is probably fine for running multiple clients, since no one client needs more than the addressable 4GB of vm. It is possible that there are drivers that will choke; I'd do some googling to make sure that the graphics drivers in particular are able to cope. Not that I'm encouraging you to run hundreds of clients -- one is quite enough.


PAE dose not allow more then 4gb on 32 bit systems.

If you do some reading you will find that the only limitation of memory in 32 bit OS is a licensing issue.

M$ is greedy.

SO I ask again Will this have any effect on the eve client?

Jenk Makkanahr
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:05:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
PAE dose not allow more then 4gb on 32 bit systems.

If you do some reading you will find that the only limitation of memory in 32 bit OS is a licensing issue.

M$ is greedy.

SO I ask again Will this have any effect on the eve client?


Some lecture to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

i don't think that PAE will have an effect on the EvE-clients.
Each client will get it's own adressing in the Ram.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:14:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Xenuria on 18/08/2011 20:14:55
Originally by: Jenk Makkanahr
Originally by: Xenuria
PAE dose not allow more then 4gb on 32 bit systems.

If you do some reading you will find that the only limitation of memory in 32 bit OS is a licensing issue.

M$ is greedy.

SO I ask again Will this have any effect on the eve client?



Some lecture to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

i don't think that PAE will have an effect on the EvE-clients.
Each client will get it's own adressing in the Ram.


been there done that... in vista and up pae is on by default. It can't allow more then 4gb due to the kernal.

hence the discussion of kernal patching... facepalm. please read things before you link them.


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