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Canderous Nord
Posted - 2011.08.18 04:24:00 - [1]
 

I am planning on buying a Gallente battleship soon and it has been very difficult to make up my mind Question

I will NEVER EVER EVER pilot the Dominix. Yes it may be one of the best PvE ships in the game, but by god does it look horrible. I've heard of how the Megathron is the most preferred because of it's many advantages over the Hyperion (they say way to much about it's "batmobile" look), but I have some doubts about itSad. Now the Hyperion is the one I have been eye-balling since day 1. Its design looks amazing, along with the mention of its great tanking abilities, and with the right outfit, it can put out some serious DPS.
Very Happy

What are some pros and cons between the two? Any comments are appreciated Smile

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Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
Posted - 2011.08.18 05:52:00 - [2]
 

I have yet to see a hyperion fitting that can match the tank and dps of a domi. If you can come up with one, more power to you. Sad, because the ship looks great.

The megathron, on the other hand, I've heard good things about. Throw on an armor tank and the largest guns you can fit and you should be fine.

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2011.08.18 05:52:00 - [3]
 

The Mega looks cool but does LOLitious low DPS with rails...but it's pretty on-par with the hyperion tbh, as it can field more drones...
I guess you should go for a mix of sentries and lights in both ships...3x Wardens (for the range) or 3x Garde (for the DPS) and 5x Hobs should work for the Hyp, 4x sentries and 5x lights for the Mega...

Quote:
[Hyperion, 425mm Missions]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Cap Recharger II

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x3
Hobgoblin II x2
Hobgoblin II x3


The above setup does 821 DPS with perfect skills, with 220 being from the drones...
I am not trying to beat that with the mega, cause you simply cannot...don't use Ogres to prove anything, heavies in general suck for pve cause of traveling times. It could work with a fast, speed tanking isthar maybe that will try to approach / orbit targets etc, but as a rule of thumb, heavies suck in comparison to sentries.

By the time you will have T2 large rails and T2 sentries, you should be rich enough to buy and try a sentry dmg rigged Domi...you will never look back.
Zoom out you camera and you won't even see it...:P

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[Dominix, Missions 350mm Pimped]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

[empty rig slot]
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x5
Garde II x5


Similar tank, slightly less cap (but its pretty good if you pulse the rails when cap goes close to 35%), way more effective DPS (especially cause drones are not affected by ewar, TDs, ECM etc)...it's perfect for lazy mission running - drone aggro is the only real concern...no, drawing whole room aggro is not a good thing, tho if you drop a 1-2 mag stabs for a DC + extra hardener(s) it tanks pretty good...


Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.18 06:17:00 - [4]
 

Like most ships in Eve, the Hyperion was designed with an eye toward PvP. In particular, they wanted to create an active tanking blaster platform. As such, it has numerous utility midslots for propulsion, tackle, and capacitor injection, tons of raw DPS potential, and an adequate tank...

...but has poor capacitor stability, damage projection (range), and damage selection (kin/therm only). This makes it a rather poor PvE platform.

If you insist on making it work, you'll probably have to resort to railguns. This is the best I could put together:

[Hyperion, PoorHyperion]

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x3

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.08.18 09:50:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 18/08/2011 09:52:54
There's more to it than just the obvious.

What do you want to do in the future, how much training time do you want to divert to this ship?

A Hyperion is what you will need, which will eventually necessitate training large hybrids. In particular, large rails. Since these are completely useless in general, why pick a ship that forces you into a terrible skill plan, to try compensate?

Yeh I don't like how the domi looks much, either. But mission running will grind you into severe boredom before long, so having a ship that allows you to drop sentries, then watch some TV, is a godsend.

PVE as a Gallente character is all about the Drones.

Vexor > Myrm > Domi

OR forget about training ANY battleship skills, or large rails, and use an Ishtar.

EDIT: Or some basic shield skills, and use a Gila. Which is kinda like a Drake / Ishtar hybrid.

But don't actually use hybrids on it. That's just wrong.

Roime
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.18 10:46:00 - [6]
 

I know how you feel about the Domi's looks, I hated it too.
But after a while you will realise it is one of the best ships in the game,
and you will learn to love the looks as well.

It looks powerful and assuring and just Manly :)

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.18 11:38:00 - [7]
 

Just fly a Domi and zoom out, who cares what the ship looks like.

Carmen Martino
Posted - 2011.08.18 14:20:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Carmen Martino on 18/08/2011 14:22:04
Originally by: Roime
It looks powerful and assuring and just Manly :)


Like a *******. But at least it's not a raven.

Skaldenwei
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.18 14:27:00 - [9]
 

[Rokh, Blokh]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5


Rokh is the only way to go

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.18 15:26:00 - [10]
 

Yes, a failfit Caldari boat is a great GALLENTE battleship. GTFO.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.08.18 15:29:00 - [11]
 

I hate to say this but if a Gallente BS is your dream and you will not use the Domi then the Mega is the next best mission ship.ugh

How ever if you are not set on a Gallente BS look at the Istar. And then look at the pirate ships.

Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.18 18:39:00 - [12]
 

You think you want to fly a gallente BS but you don't, not really, and you just don't know it yet.

You can train up perfect gallente skills - the armor tanking, the large t2 hybrids, the drones but in reality you're just wasting time.

Oh sure - hyperion is as cool looking as it's name suggests - it actually is one of the few gallente designs that rock(together with the incursus) and megathong looks like a giant robot or batmobile.

But they're crappy fighters - that's all that counts.

First of all the domi - terrible, as well as ugly ship( I think they used a ****ing shoe as a model when they made it).
Oh sure you see setups with 1300 DPS but in reality it's a ship that ejects it's guns and hopes they don't die. You have 2 options - use sentry and be stuck in 1 place , or use heavy and wait about a minute for your drones to go from 1 target to another. Failure - thy name is dominix.

BTW that's true for any drone ship - the 1 saving grace to both drone cruisers is that usually 450 DPS coming out of a cruiser is pretty high, plus you can speed around with cruisers.

Mega and it's cousins.
This brings me to hybrids:
- short range(blasters) you are limited to 20 ish km with t2 long range ammo - which in Eve means that some good spitter can outdistance you
- long range(rails) your dps is lower than a good strong fart.

To top it all hybrids have all the bad features of the other guns out there - lots of grid to fit, lots of cap to fire , lots of ammo, lots of time to change the ammo.

The one good quality of rails in fact is their range , which is funny since they are caldari ship weapons and all caldari ships get bonus to range. Talk about screwed.

Mega specifically is 1 gun short of the norm(think armageddon), it's pretty fast but once you put those armor rigs that's gone. It has a tracking bonus - that's a golden bonus in ships like the nightmare and even vargur (although ac's already track pretty good) but in the end you'll be short on cap short on tank and short on killing power or reach, or combination of the 4. Would've been an excellent ship if only it didn't use hybrids.

hyperion, the pretty boy - 8 guns and tanking bonus but not enough grid to fit rails and large reppers or cap recharge for that matter. To go with the repping bonus you only get to use 6 low slots, I think you'll love it. Again if it only didn't use hybrids.

BTW gallente ships are meant for blasters which are usually useless in larger than 2-3 ship fights and usually useless for pve (except for incursions).

Your best bet for pve is going for megathron , incursion fit - lots of buffer tank(nothing active) , gank , tracking and sebo. Since incursion fighting (vanguards) is 10-20 km range you should do okay.

Peter Stinkfinger
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:54:00 - [13]
 

Ah the Hype... How i love and hate you...
Unfortunately, like all armor tankers, in order to have any gank you got to nerf your tank. So if you want to have the best of both worlds you have to invest in a slave implant clone and a mindlinked Damnation pilot to boost. You're still at the mercy of hybrid limitations. So basically you have to spend over 2b isk just to make the 'top tier' gal BS useable when there's a much MUCH cheaper alternative.







Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:27:00 - [14]
 

OP, if you want to fly a Hyp, just come out and say that despite all the reasons not to, you want to fly a Hyp. It's an admittedly great looking ship, it just happens to be absolute **** for your purposes. It's gimped on everything right down to targeting range -- everything you do has to compensate for its weaknesses.

But I guess you could do it this way:

[Hyperion, Hyperion mission ship]
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hammerhead II x5

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:47:00 - [15]
 

The sooner you stop choosing your ships based on looks the better.

I don't refuse to use a hammer to pound in a nail because the screw driver looks cooler.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.08.18 23:20:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Magnus Orin
The sooner you stop choosing your ships based on looks the better.


I agree in affirmative choice based on looks being a bad idea: I'd never hop in a hull because it looks good. Refusing to fly some of the truly awful ones seems reasonable enough to me though (Raven, I'm looking at you. And it hurts.)

It's particularly hard to avoid the Dominix though. If you want a top tier drone boat for missions it's either that or a Rattlesnake, and it's actually hard to get the Rattler to perform as well. Missile ships have the Tengu/NH option; drone options (Gila, Ishtar, lolEos?) simply don't (at least not anymore) have the damage potential to match. Gun ships of course have substantially more diversity and hence lots of choice at the BS level and some options lower down (Sleipnir at least). But drone PvE (and hence any pure Gallente PvE) caps out at the Dominix hull no questions asked.

Cunane Jeran
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.19 01:00:00 - [17]
 

I'd go for the mega, that tracking bonus with 425mm make them pretty darn good.

Roime
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.19 05:34:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Songbird

First of all the domi - terrible, as well as ugly ship( I think they used a ****ing shoe as a model when they made it).
Oh sure you see setups with 1300 DPS but in reality it's a ship that ejects it's guns and hopes they don't die. You have 2 options - use sentry and be stuck in 1 place , or use heavy and wait about a minute for your drones to go from 1 target to another. Failure - thy name is dominix.

BTW that's true for any drone ship - the 1 saving grace to both drone cruisers is that usually 450 DPS coming out of a cruiser is pretty high, plus you can speed around with cruisers.



:D Those guns that "are ejected" pwn in PvE. Selectable damage type, great range and good tracking, NPCs are stupid enough not to shoot them first. I've never lost a sentry drone, and only once seen one targeted. C3s, L4s. Also no need to sit in one place, you can control the drones from very far.


Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
Posted - 2011.08.19 08:50:00 - [19]
 

I currently fly a Dominix (cross training to Minmatar now) and although it's 'easy' (cap stable dual repper setup, I can literally set the drones loose and come back an hour later in most missions) it's a complete snorefest. I will keep it as a backup because I know I can do pretty much all L4s in it, but I would not recommend training for it. I do recommend training for T2 lights and mediums because they can be used in most battleships to eat frigs, but I personally would not recommend going for Gallente BSs at all. Hybrid guns are pretty mediocre and Drones, although quite nice, are boring to play with.

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.08.19 11:53:00 - [20]
 

Every choice is depending on how you plan to use the ship...

Many many possibilities, but Dominix and Hyperions are good choices for tanking over time and the Dominix and Megathron are good for dealing a lot of damage while relying on a armor buffer to live long enough.

The Dominix is super versatile as it has 6 hi-slots not necesarily used for DPS and plenty medslots at the same time. The Hyperion will suffer a lot from replacing hi-slots for utility where the Megathron has a single available slot.

But tell people about your plans and they will be able to give you better advice.


Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
Posted - 2011.08.19 13:30:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Canderous Nord
What are some pros and cons between the two? Any comments are appreciated Smile


They both suck at PVE. Railguns are a waste of skillpoints.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.19 16:20:00 - [22]
 

Honestly if want a gun BS you'd do better training Minmatar and projectiles and going for either a Vargur or a Mach. Rails as noted are crap.

Blasters can be useful in certain limited applications, the Neutron Mega is awesome for station games with its massive up close and personal face melting ability, and the Shield gank hype is really nice in that same situation when you absolutely have to nuke that ship before it can de-aggress and dock. But they are essentially useless in PVE where big stuff doesn't generally dip down to the ranges that it works well in.

Large auto's on the other hand have that massive falloff so even if it's optimal is hull rubbing range it can hit out at silly distances.


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.19 18:59:00 - [23]
 

Its rumored they are buffing hybrids, so all information in this thread is subject to change.

Last time I looked at Gallente ships, besides the Domi, I didn't see anything I liked. However, the vindicator had some solid numbers. Not the best, but certainly solid. And it excels at PvP. The fleet issue mega was also 'aaiittee'. The mega and hyperion were 'meh' at best. I use my hyperion for mining, eye candy.

Also, I used sentry II's to attain decent numbers from the ships that actually got them. Like 750sih dps with like 10 mil SP.


Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.19 20:44:00 - [24]
 

Here you go, works decently for L4s, but there are certainly better options out there. Upgrade to T2 rails once trained. Use light/med or sentry drones to your preference. Also is a pretty cheap fit and is cap stable with the AB off.

[Megathron, pve mega]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets

425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5

Strecs Moliko
Posted - 2011.08.19 21:21:00 - [25]
 

The biggest problem for fitting a Hyperion is if you want to duel rep it (which you do) you are forced to fit electrons. The only way to get a full rack of neutrons is to shield tank it.

But that's for PvP and if you're going to PvE you really should suck it up and get a dommi.

Arthello
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.20 01:10:00 - [26]
 

The mega is a lump of turd compared to other BS. If you're PvE'ing get a Domi. They're actually pretty good ships. If you want to PvP crosstrain immediately. Gallente is a waste of time apart from a few select ships. Just drop the Gallente route immediately and save yourself from a lot of frustration further down the road. Go with Minmatar or Amarr.

Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.20 17:14:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 20/08/2011 17:27:28
Originally by: Roime
I know how you feel about the Domi's looks, I hated it too.
But after a while you will realise it is one of the best ships in the game,
and you will learn to love the looks as well.

It looks powerful and assuring and just Manly :)


As someone's sig here on the forums used to say:

"The Dominix is the Chuck Norris of EVE" Laughing

But if the OP must go Large T2 Rails, yeah, the Mega can do it, field a full rack of 425mms, which, with 2 or 3 magstabs gives quite a whack, capable of taking down BSs in 4 or 5 hits (volleys of around 2000-odd damage).

It's quite skill intensive though, and a somewhat risky way of doing L4s compared to the Sentry Domi with 350 iis, as you need Advanced Weapon Upgrades to 5 to fit those 425mms, otherwise you'll have to put a power upgrade thing in the lows, thereby sacrificing some tank (probably), or an ancillary current router in the rigs, thereby foregoing any useful tanking and/or damage advantage from rigs.

Argh, that didn't come out right. What I mean to say is that for the same skills, the Sentriy Domi with 350 iis has more tank for only slightly less spank than the 425 ii Mega. The 425 ii Mega has quite a bit more spank in the guns; but it loses a lot of drownage, and has a LOT less tank and a more risky playstyle - which may be exactly what the doctor ordered for the OP (it's nice to change up playstyle and play more risky sometimes).

Nuthyn
Posted - 2011.08.21 02:39:00 - [28]
 

What about the Megathron Navy Issue?

Is that any good?

Pretty big drone bay....sentry drone damage help?

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.08.21 11:01:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Ineka on 21/08/2011 11:04:36
Originally by: Nuthyn
What about the Megathron Navy Issue?

Is that any good?

Pretty big drone bay....sentry drone damage help?


+1 low slot = +dps mods

+drone bay = sentry? forget it -mega shoots stuff while he's reaching (v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y) the next gate so, you're better with several light/med drones

+a lot more ehp

Not very good not very bad, shines with blasters but pve with blasters is window licker stuff

Your better choice is to change right now for laser or projectiles stuff instead of waste several months training for stuff cumulating the worst drawbacks in the current game.

Ilvari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.21 12:47:00 - [30]
 

For PvE it's either Dominix or nothing. All those blasterfits will have you MWDing after kiting battleships all the time, making you take ages to get the last kills in. If you don't want to fly a Domi for some dumb RP reason, train into a Raven.


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