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Lord Wickham
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:19:00 - [1]
 

hi all, just wondering what ship is best for the missions that you cant use the carrier in? ishtar nighthawk rattlesnake seem the best options? is there any mission that you can't solo without help or carrier?

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:27:00 - [2]
 

rattlesnake is sexy.

best combo sofar is rattlesnake and mach i would say. single snake takes so long on some of them, while if a spawn forces mach warpout it can speed through gates and be back in a jiffy. so, do get a mach buddy for gated.

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:52:00 - [3]
 

Tengu is the answer to most any question regarding lvl 5's.

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:57:00 - [4]
 

what he meant to say is: TenguS
consider the dps of a tengu set to tank 5s. now look at your isk/hr. now back at his advice. a group of them surely. but then your back to, just bring rattler and mach.

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.17 17:08:00 - [5]
 

No. I definitely meant Tengu singular. You can get 600 dps out of a solo lvl 5 Tengu, with plenty of tank. Before the nerf, you could be unprobeable while solo tanking 5's with that same 600 dps. Was a glorious thing.

Just blitz the missions, decline the odd one you can't finish in <20 mins, get rich. If you have to accounts to toss around, just let them both run missions seperately. 5's stop being awesome isk/hr when you zerg them.

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.17 17:12:00 - [6]
 

I guess I lied a little bit. Solo 800 dps SB is better for some missions. Safer to move around, bit more dps.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.17 18:33:00 - [7]
 

I wouldn't mind seeing this mystical 600 DPS unprobeable, Tengu that works under level 5 energy neutralization. Last I checked, unprobeable ships required capacitor.

If I'm in error, please do explain?

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.18 02:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aamrr
I wouldn't mind seeing this mystical 600 DPS unprobeable, Tengu that works under level 5 energy neutralization. Last I checked, unprobeable ships required capacitor.

If I'm in error, please do explain?


Now I can't share all my secrets. Wink Lets just say active fits can work miracles in 5's if you know what you're doing. Passive is horribly inefficient.

Gloria Mill
Posted - 2011.08.18 09:18:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Nemo deBlanc
Originally by: Aamrr
I wouldn't mind seeing this mystical 600 DPS unprobeable, Tengu that works under level 5 energy neutralization. Last I checked, unprobeable ships required capacitor.

If I'm in error, please do explain?


Now I can't share all my secrets. Wink Lets just say active fits can work miracles in 5's if you know what you're doing. Passive is horribly inefficient.


How much is your tengu fit?

Katellin
Posted - 2011.08.18 09:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gloria Mill
How much is your tengu fit?


When I did 5's my unprobable tengu was 2-2.5 bil (including implants). Plus another 20-30 mil for a bomber alt to add dps. Could do 75-80% of the missions in it but would usually cherry pick only blitzable ones.

Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.08.18 10:02:00 - [11]
 

I'd love to see these magical solo active tank fits that can ignore the neut towers since I know from my own experience it takes a basilisk feeding cap to the tengu for it to run active tank. I suspect you just do that 1 mission where you can warp in and kill the drone :)

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.08.18 11:08:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Tammarr on 18/08/2011 11:18:27

mmm, neut towers are tremendously bad, -80 cap/s. please give me an active tengu that does this? neut towers are not flimsy structures...

ill still say: rattler +mach(or yeah, bomber should be cheap and expendeble extra deeps, i forget about them existing.)
edit: you dont need a carrier for any of the 5s you want to be running, it will be faster timewise to move tank/dps +dps ship around systems picking new missions etc.
now
in order to realy get 5s, you need to have high faction standing, so that you can decline ~8-10 in a row(sometimes) and just run the realy good ones.
my favorite ways of getting high faction: do cosmos missions that pay faction. do the data centers. if this not enough? join fw for a day or three and farm lvl4s(or pay someone to share missions with you) and get the promotions(huge easy faction standing gains). if this dosent make it, also run the epic arc for that faction.
if this dosent do it... train your bloody connections skill up to 4. but unless you start at severe minus, you should be rolling 5s like others roll 4s within 1-4 days of work. then when you have 3-4 chars that are 7 days old with faction 7+ you can avoid the travel time cost of moving between systems and make more missions, with thoose alts you need the fw boosts done first to access cosmos and datacenters, if you dont hit 7 with just the fw gains and connections 4, unsure on that; he didnt tell me(i myself didnt feel the need for an extra from scratch alt).
most made in a day of playing eve was 5m lp before the mission boost, id guess if i did another 8-10 hr run today id get ~7m lp. not for the weak of heart or the casual player i know.

for thoose that don't understand why i mention decent high dps ships: dps will kill mission faster. hence making you stay in the spot less time. hence giving any non blue elements less time to probe you down if they are around.





none770
Posted - 2011.08.18 11:46:00 - [13]
 

still waiting for tengu fit lol cuz ive seen carriers die to lvl five missions this tengu much be AMAZING

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.20 03:34:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: none770
still waiting for tengu fit lol cuz ive seen carriers die to lvl five missions this tengu much be AMAZING


Won't post the fit, but yes; the Tengu is absolutely amazing. The reason it's so epic for 5's I suspect was an unintended feature/perk. But eh, you'll never see me complaining.

Also, if you kill the neut towers, you're doing it wrong.

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.20 03:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tetragammatron Prime
I'd love to see these magical solo active tank fits that can ignore the neut towers since I know from my own experience it takes a basilisk feeding cap to the tengu for it to run active tank. I suspect you just do that 1 mission where you can warp in and kill the drone :)


And no, it can tank any lvl 5. Although, yes; that mission is definitely my favorite. Wink

Cthulhu F'taghn
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2011.08.20 04:35:00 - [16]
 

Blitzing = slow boat cloaked out of neut tower range? heh

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.21 04:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cthulhu F'taghn
Blitzing = slow boat cloaked out of neut tower range? heh


Definitely not. Cloaking gimps your fit badly, and neut towers have stupid range.

Mister Agreeable
Posted - 2011.08.21 08:05:00 - [18]
 

So are you going to tell us your great secret or not? If not, why the fk did you bother posting in the first place??

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.22 03:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mister Agreeable
So are you going to tell us your great secret or not? If not, why the fk did you bother posting in the first place??


Nah, I'm not going to hand feed it to every lazy person on the forums. Someone will figure it out at some point. Until then though, I'll continue to offer up the solution, and hint at the method. Why? mainly because it's entertains me, which is what a game is all about. Even the srsbsness forum posting part of it.

Gary Bell
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:07:00 - [20]
 

confirming have seen said fit on main which he mailed it to gloat in all its glory lol and umm yeah he must have ten toons with standings cuz there is about 3 missions it can tank.. ie ones w/o nuets... confirming stupid troll

Gary Bell
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:15:00 - [21]
 

... had to vpn house pc to pull this fit... this is the amazing fit...
4 launchers (lol)- cloak which he says he never uses-mids- rf 10 mn ab- c-type xl booster- eccm- invo- explosion ( both active lol )- boost amp t2- lows- another eccm- and four cprs (which make that xl booster into a small)- then t2 and t1 mix cap power relays... so in closing ...

TROLL IS FAIL BUY A NIGHTHAWK OR RATTLE< CARRIER

Katellin
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:58:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Gary Bell
... had to vpn house pc to pull this fit... this is the amazing fit...
4 launchers (lol)- cloak which he says he never uses-mids- rf 10 mn ab- c-type xl booster- eccm- invo- explosion ( both active lol )- boost amp t2- lows- another eccm- and four cprs (which make that xl booster into a small)- then t2 and t1 mix cap power relays... so in closing ...

TROLL IS FAIL BUY A NIGHTHAWK OR RATTLE< CARRIER


That was my fit, not Nemo's. Everything about it was fully explained in the evemail, continue to believe it can't tank 5's if you wish but theres not much more I can do to convice you other than perhaps point you to SISI and Eve Survival for you to test it out.

Nemo deBlanc
Posted - 2011.08.22 18:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Gary Bell
... had to vpn house pc to pull this fit... this is the amazing fit...
4 launchers (lol)- cloak which he says he never uses-mids- rf 10 mn ab- c-type xl booster- eccm- invo- explosion ( both active lol )- boost amp t2- lows- another eccm- and four cprs (which make that xl booster into a small)- then t2 and t1 mix cap power relays... so in closing ...

TROLL IS FAIL BUY A NIGHTHAWK OR RATTLE< CARRIER


You are so utterly brain dead ******ed, I hardly know where to start. So I won't, and I'll just leave it at that.

@the person who sent the fit:

I really wouldn't bother with the general forum populace. It doesn't help you to help them, and you might even get called ******ed besides. Neat to see someone else in eve is capable of thinking outside the box as well.. (although, imho your fit could use a little tweaking for more dps; it must be quite low)

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.23 03:22:00 - [24]
 

^^^ There are so many plusses with the Tengu i am surprised people are asking for the fit.

Thought any of several strategies would all work fine :S

To the Op though, i agree the Tengu is best: decent DPS, extreme range, fast, low sig etc etc etc.....

Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.08.31 08:31:00 - [25]
 

OK Tengu fit:

Subs:
Off - ACE
Def - Sup Screen
Eng - PCM
Prop - FC
Elec - DS

Highs
5x T2 HMLs
1x - whatever (TB or something)

Mids
1x AB
1x Kin Amp II
1x Term Amp II
2x HSE II
1x Shield recharger II

Lows
4x T2 BCU II

Rigs
3x Med Core field Purger II

This was used for "the big sting 1-3" it works even though you get neuted etc you dont need much to pulse the AB. Passive tank (almost as AB does to some extent form part of the tank). Takes a while and was done as a test really but it works.

betty drunkenlord
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:27:00 - [26]
 

I like efting so I did it in 5 minutes using author hints -> able to tank neuts and 600 dps. this means 5 launchers and CPM subsystem. Let's see:

[Tengu, extreme cap lvl5?]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

2 x 3% rof/dmg implants zmm zmh and we have
593 dps
91 cap recharge/s, 40+ cap to tank neuts
1134 omnitank and you can increase that by crystals and better booster.
600+ m/s so you can fly away from neut towers decreasing their neuting further (they neut for less further you are from them and faster you flying)

so yah it's not big science, is it?

Barbie D0ll
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:09:00 - [27]
 

simple, if they dont let you take a carrier into it, take a supercarrier


 

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