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Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.17 10:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Cpt Placeholder on 17/08/2011 11:13:29
So I haven't been in an airplane for a while but apparently in many, probably all, countries customs may inspect the data on anything that can carry data. They may also ask you to relinquish your passwords and confiscate if you refuse.

It's probably different in each country so it would be good to know how it's handled in each country and whether it's inbound or outbound.

I read that America, Japan and Thailand like to peek at your data.
The only country with a clear purpose for the search seems to be Australia. Apparently, according to the internets, you need to declare whether you have **** with you or not, and they do search for (illegal) ****, but you will get fined regardless if you have **** with you without having declared it.
I'm guessing those were inbound, though I don't know.

Did you ever have to allow customs to scan your data? I'm also wondering how they react to GNU/Linux/BSD.

Justified Cause
Posted - 2011.08.17 11:08:00 - [2]
 

Last time I travelled, airport security took my laptop, to find out that it had never been used and the OS hadn't been installed (it was that new), compensation letter was amusing and I got 54 for all my troubles. Laughing

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.17 11:20:00 - [3]
 

Where was that?
Did they simply take it without asking you to show the contents to them?

mira kantos
Posted - 2011.08.17 11:31:00 - [4]
 

all they did at uk/iceland airports was ask me to take out the laptop and put it thought the xray scanner.

Lessei MoonDancer
Amarr
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.08.17 12:47:00 - [5]
 

Seriously!?!?!?

I've flown around several European airports and all I've had to do was take my laptop out of my bag, put it in the tray, so that it goes through the x-ray scanner separately from everything else.
No one has ever taken it away or asked me to fire it up and log in and browse my data.

Does this actually happen somewhere in the world?

What about smart phones?

Shocked

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:31:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Culmen on 17/08/2011 13:32:58
I've flown back and forth in/and out of the US and Asia for a number of times.
Once to Australia
Never had my computer or hard drives accessed once.
Never seen a request for data either.
Absolute most I've been told to do is turn it on and that was a long time ago.

That being said my mother did have customs demand data from her computer once.
But that was one instance in LA, she got cornered by a gang of philipino customs agents who were looking for any excuse to hassle an asian person.

Had other incidents with LAX customs personally. Never land there unless you're white or an American citizen.
Chicago, New York , Washington DC, Never had a single problem with immigration there.



Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:40:00 - [7]
 

Damn, it's been a while since my last flight. Shocked

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:45:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Lessei MoonDancer
Seriously? What about smart phones? Shocked

Well for America and Australia, here's some info, but basically any device may be searched.
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1251393255852.shtm
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/travellers-to-be-searched-for-****-20100520-vh09.html
(The censored part rhymes with p0rn... Alternatively, just use google)

I've read about isolated cases in Japan and Thailand, but I'm not even remotely familiar with their laws.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.08.17 15:31:00 - [9]
 

You really think they'd try that **** in a country like the United States?

You realize we try to sue when our coffees too hot righ?

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:02:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
You really think they'd try that **** in a country like the United States?

Well that depends on how much you agree with the lawyers and judges defending the practice. They claim since they're doing border searches, you're not IN the United States and the 4th amendment does not apply.

But people do try to sue. Repeatedly. This seems to be the latest case:
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech-technology-and-liberty/abidor-v-napolitano

Ironically, it looks like the DHS warns you not to take your laptop with you because you may get searched when traveling outside the US:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080917/1048522292.shtml

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:45:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 17/08/2011 16:45:49
Why would anything important be on your laptop?

Cloud Computing ftw. Host your data (and ****) somewhere else and get it over the net when you need it, then upload it again when finished working and delete it from local. They can ask for the PW to your laptop all they want. All they'll find is basically a blank windows install... maybe with a game on it for the flight.

Removable HD ftw. Send your important stuff to your destination ahead of you via FedUp air, covered in everyone's favorite material: bubble wrap! (And an anti-static bag.)

Besides, it's not a crack team of computer hacker experts searching your computer in a laboratory, it's the same *******s who run metal detector wands over people for a living. At worst, it's the SENIOR metal-detector-wand-waver with an extra little star on his uniform or a shinier badge or something.

If you're determined to carry sensitive data past these savy professionals just make a little windows partition with your games on it that the system boots to by default. They'll never see your work or financial stuff (or ****) on the 2nd partition unless they hit a key and choose boot options. They won't. They'll watch the black screen and white text go by, and then order you to give them the password to the windows partition with the games. You acquiesce like a good little sheep and they think they've done a good day's work protecting the world by invading your privacy.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.17 19:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 17/08/2011 16:45:49
Why would anything important be on your laptop?

Cloud Computing ftw. Host your data (and ****) somewhere else and get it over the net when you need it, then upload it again when finished working and delete it from local. They can ask for the PW to your laptop all they want. All they'll find is basically a blank windows install... maybe with a game on it for the flight.

Removable HD ftw. Send your important stuff to your destination ahead of you via FedUp air, covered in everyone's favorite material: bubble wrap! (And an anti-static bag.)

Besides, it's not a crack team of computer hacker experts searching your computer in a laboratory, it's the same *******s who run metal detector wands over people for a living. At worst, it's the SENIOR metal-detector-wand-waver with an extra little star on his uniform or a shinier badge or something.

If you're determined to carry sensitive data past these savy professionals just make a little windows partition with your games on it that the system boots to by default. They'll never see your work or financial stuff (or ****) on the 2nd partition unless they hit a key and choose boot options. They won't. They'll watch the black screen and white text go by, and then order you to give them the password to the windows partition with the games. You acquiesce like a good little sheep and they think they've done a good day's work protecting the world by invading your privacy.



This is probably easier than separate boot partitions:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Mount-or-dismount-a-drive

Emiko P'eng
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.17 19:58:00 - [13]
 

Well!

I have flown all over Europe & Canada and only once was I asked to just turn my netbook on it prove it worked.

But!

Twice out of 4 flights into the USA I have had 'fun' with US customs:
  • Flying into Washington not only did I have to fire up the netbook, but they insisted I plugged in my USB pens and portable HD
  • Flying into Seattle again they got me to fire up my Netbook, but the battery was flat. So I was marched to an office to plug in the mains adapter, held up my party by 20 minutes. To add insult to injury, customs had put a knife through the side of my Ski Boot bag. I know it was them as they left a note inside stating it was my fault for the damage as I hadn't used a US customs padlock on the zip. I use a cable tie, hell customs in Europe cut & replaced it. The Swiss even gave me 8 more ties after they checked inside

That and other experiences that friends & colleagues have had with US customs means we NOT going back to the States if we can avoid it!

Plus for information we are all over 40, British & White.

After watching US customs search a Brummie Asian & his family I was surprised the family didn't sue for sexual harassment!

If that is how they treat Allies, no wonder most of the world hates them

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.17 21:00:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Emiko P'eng
Well!

I have flown all over Europe & Canada and only once was I asked to just turn my netbook on it prove it worked.

But!

Twice out of 4 flights into the USA I have had 'fun' with US customs:
  • Flying into Washington not only did I have to fire up the netbook, but they insisted I plugged in my USB pens and portable HD
  • Flying into Seattle again they got me to fire up my Netbook, but the battery was flat. So I was marched to an office to plug in the mains adapter, held up my party by 20 minutes. To add insult to injury, customs had put a knife through the side of my Ski Boot bag. I know it was them as they left a note inside stating it was my fault for the damage as I hadn't used a US customs padlock on the zip. I use a cable tie, hell customs in Europe cut & replaced it. The Swiss even gave me 8 more ties after they checked inside

That and other experiences that friends & colleagues have had with US customs means we NOT going back to the States if we can avoid it!

Plus for information we are all over 40, British & White.

After watching US customs search a Brummie Asian & his family I was surprised the family didn't sue for sexual harassment!

If that is how they treat Allies, no wonder most of the world hates them


People in this country love to **** with anyone who is "different" from them, especially if they have any form of "authority" over someone. If I could move somewhere else where people actually try to accord you some sort of respect when dealing with you first, instead of treating you like an inconvenience by your mere existence, I would.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:34:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Cpt Placeholder on 18/08/2011 22:34:29
Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Why would anything important be on your laptop?

I use my laptop as my main machine (though I would have used some netbook for travel) but even if the data is not really important, all data loss is painful, especially settings and configuration. And having someone look through your personal stuff is never pleasant.

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Besides, it's not a crack team of computer hacker experts searching your computer in a laboratory

On the initial checks, you certainly seem to be right. All reports seem to indicate they're not even used to any other operating system than Windows. However, it may get confiscated, I don't know what they do with it then.

Hiding data is trivial (for me at least) but one may be unprepared and suffer the consequences.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.21 00:10:00 - [16]
 

Lol, I have yet have to even power on my laptop while travelling around the world.

Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.23 10:49:00 - [17]
 

Remote Desktop FTW (and, actually, is a requirement due to some of the stuff I run at work).

One nice side benefit is that I can continue to carry a 2005 notebook for work-related stuff. I almost considered upgrading last year but Win7 gave it a new life (and better drivers for USB->Serial converters).


Master Gotama
Posted - 2011.08.23 19:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
People in this country love to **** with anyone who is "different" from them, especially if they have any form of "authority" over someone. If I could move somewhere else where people actually try to accord you some sort of respect when dealing with you first, instead of treating you like an inconvenience by your mere existence, I would.


i have been all over the world and have yet to find a place like this, especially when dealing with customs. i wish they would just greet me like they worked in McDonalds or Walmart. Rolling Eyes


 

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