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Dak Stonedrifter
Posted - 2011.08.16 19:04:00 - [1]
 

Been playing the game for a few weeks now, and my biggest question pertains to "Standing". I've read that I need a 6.5 for trader-like characters to avoid station cuts when refining, and I need a standing of 8 in order to install Jump clones, along with other things. Being that I'm interested in both the market and PvP, (considering multiple accounts), standing seems important.

But for the love of quasars, is there no better way to increase standing than doing missions that reward as low as 0.01 and as much as 0.05? At this rate it'll be a thousand missions until I have an 8.0 standing with a single corp.

If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes, but I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something (other than the social skills).

Any insight appreciated.

gfldex
Posted - 2011.08.16 19:26:00 - [2]
 

You need a 8.0 standing if you intend to get your JC via NPC stations. There are other ways to do so. Trading is more about sales tax then refining rates.

If you know what you are doing (needs quite a few SP too) you can get a standing of 6.6 within a week. The trick is to pick an agent that will send you to a storyline agent of the same corp. A lvl4 storyline kill mission gives you 20%.

You will most likely be faster with lvl3 missions because there are more blitzable lvl3s then lvl4s.

Akisa Damaar
Posted - 2011.08.16 19:29:00 - [3]
 

Higher level missions will give slightly higher standing gains, so it will speed up when you move to level 2 (3, 4) missions.

Also, every 16 mission you run for a corporation you will get a "storyline mission" which will boost both your faction standing and your corp standing in bigger steps.

It's still definitly a heavy grind, but not as bad as it seems to you at the moment.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.16 20:43:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 16/08/2011 20:55:39

Originally by: Dak Stonedrifter
But for the love of quasars, is there no better way to increase standing than doing missions that reward as low as 0.01 and as much as 0.05? At this rate it'll be a thousand missions until I have an 8.0 standing with a single corp.

This section of the "earning ISK" guide thread should help a bit.
TL;DR : train Social and Connections to at least L3 each (preferably L5 social and L4 connections) to maximize gains AND gain access to higher level agents much faster ; always run the highest level of missions you can comfortably run with your current ship/skills

EDIT : the previous post in that thread (just before the one linked above) also explains derived standing gains/losses - you might want to get familiar with that too


Also, you could always run the tutorials and career funnel missions, they give decent FACTION standings for minimal effort (and are doable with a couple of days' worth of skill training).
A bit later on, you could try the COSMOS missions, or maybe the datacenter tag turn-in missions (those are a pain to get normally, and tags are quite expensive), but they also grant some pretty nice faction standing gains.
Some COSMOS info (dig around on the site linked in that post for rest of races and more details).
Faction standing gains are usually quite difficult to get, but they have quite a few benefits, one of them being to grant access to ALL "regular" agents in ALL NPC corps belonging to that particular faction.


I suggest getting at least Social 4 fast, running the tutorial/funnel agents FOR BOTH YOUR TARGET EMPIRE AND THE "FRIEND" OF YOUR TARGET EMPIRE while you train Connections 3, running a few of the COSMOS and maybe some datacenter agents while you get Connections 4 (again, for both "friendly" factions, i.e. Amarr-Caldari or Gallente-Minmatar), then optionally getting Social 5 while you start running regular missions for whatever NPC corp you picked after you finished Connections 4.

Under ideal circumstances, if you're already able to fly battlecruisers but have junk standings, if you follow the above directions you should have access to L2 agents for a faction in a few hours (but not use them yet), L3 agents in a couple of days (probably still not use them yet), and L4 agents in about a week or two (which you'll want to start using if you can handle that level of mission, otherwise L3s).
If you have low skills, it might take twice as long, or a bit longer if you're also impatient.
Wink


Ah, and you can take a "shortcut" to high NPC corp (and an even shorter one to NPC agent) standings by fleeting up with somebody that runs a higher level mission (for an agent you can't get access to) and is about to turn it in, and - for a price (be it now or a bit later on, or maybe you can find somebody willing to do a tad bit of charity) - you can ask him to split the mission rewards (that INCLUDES standings with agent/corp).
A handful of "good" L4 missions for a single L4 combat agent (and you having Connections L4 trained) split that way can already open up access to that particular agent, or about a dozen "mixed bag" ones should also just about do it. You will only have access to that particular L4 agent early on (agent standing grows usually about two times faster than corp standing), but as you run more missions, rest of the L4 agents should open up. I can remember having a corpmate that could access one L4 agent because I "boosted" him that way, but he still didn't have access to most of the L3 agents of that corp (that was back when agents had variable quality, so standings requirements were a bit odder).


Cathleia
Posted - 2011.08.16 20:45:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Akisa Damaar
Also, every 16 mission you run for a corporation you will get a "storyline mission" which will boost both your faction standing and your corp standing in bigger steps.



It also hurts the standings with the rivaling faction. It's better not to do them unless you know you'll never go in that part of space.

Kilrayn
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:49:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cathleia
Originally by: Akisa Damaar
Also, every 16 mission you run for a corporation you will get a "storyline mission" which will boost both your faction standing and your corp standing in bigger steps.



It also hurts the standings with the rivaling faction. It's better not to do them unless you know you'll never go in that part of space.


Just a quick comment on this, you do gain and lose standings, yes, but you only lose half of what you gain. For example, say you gain 2% from a storyline for gallente, you would only lose 1% for caldari. In this manner, you can gain standings overall by trading off storylines for opposing factions.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:57:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 16/08/2011 22:02:51
Originally by: Kilrayn
Just a quick comment on this, you do gain and lose standings, yes, but you only lose half of what you gain. For example, say you gain 2% from a storyline for gallente, you would only lose 1% for caldari. In this manner, you can gain standings overall by trading off storylines for opposing factions.

Only up to a certain level, because gains are a percent of distance to +10 but losses a percent of distance to -10, so the higher your standings are, the harder they are to increase and the easier they are to lose.

Getting +3 base with all empires takes a long time but not insanely long, geting almost +4 base with all is excruciatingly grueling, but getting +5 base with all is impossible by just running storylines.
You'll also want to avoid running ANY missions that have you kill ships of the opposing faction - those are pretty ugly standings losses.

You can get higher base standings with all empires, but ONLY if you stop running ANY regular "storyline" (or other "important") missions as soon as you hit the "unstable equilibrium point" and only run the Epic mission arcs from that moment on, which (allegedly) do NOT grant any derived standings (neither gains NOR losses) - essentially, those ONLY increase standings with target faction and don't touch any others (and from what I understand, they can be repeated every 3 months).

P.S. Yes, you can just refuse all storylines from a certain point onward if you want to keep high standings, but that's a bit counter-productive (you'll also need to keep refusing missions that have you kill "enemy" faction ships).

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.08.16 22:03:00 - [8]
 

You can get a jumpclone quicker by using EACS.

Train Infomorph Psychology. Join EACS corp. Make jumpclones. Leave corp.

Dak Stonedrifter
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:45:00 - [9]
 

Thanks for all the info!

Dalloway Jones
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.08.18 19:55:00 - [10]
 

I just want to emphasize what Akita said about training Social and Connections up. I am increasing my standing with my refining/hauling character and the difference since leveling up these two skills up to level 4 (which doesn't take very long) is dramatic. It is still a bit tedious if you are not crazy about missions but this makes it much faster.


 

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