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Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:16:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 16/08/2011 15:47:39
After its pleas for a peaceful resolution to the militia fighting in Intaki Space were met with violence, the leadership of the Intaki Liberation Front decided to take a more pro-active stance and announced publicly that we would work within our means to disrupt militia activity in our home systems.

As a result of this announcement, Caldari militia forces announced that we would be considered targets of opportunity and two corps, Hell’s Revenge and Short Bus Pole Dancers, even went so far as to actively declare war against us.

By their own declaration, the purpose of this crusade against the ILF was to “purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest.” As of today, both militia corps have withdrawn their wars, accepting defeat and realizing that their goal cannot be achieved.

I am pleased to report that the ILF still remains a vital part of the Placid Region and is no worse for wear. In fact we lost only three vessels in the conflict and actually saw an increase in our market activity during the interval. Taken as a whole, the period of the war declarations was actually a financial success for our Placid-based operations.

Now that the wars against us have ended, we resume our calls for a peaceful mediation of the conflict in the Placid Region in general and Intaki Space specifically. As always we remain dedicated to the principals of the Ida and seek to bring about the most good while causing the least harm to all involved.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.08.16 15:22:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
“purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest.”


Nice to see Caldari magnanimity at work.

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.16 16:27:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 16/08/2011 15:47:39
After its pleas for a peaceful resolution to the militia fighting in Intaki Space were met with violence, the leadership of the Intaki Liberation Front decided to take a more pro-active stance and announced publicly that we would work within our means to disrupt militia activity in our home systems.

As a result of this announcement, Caldari militia forces announced that we would be considered targets of opportunity and two corps, Hell’s Revenge and Short Bus Pole Dancers, even went so far as to actively declare war against us.

By their own declaration, the purpose of this crusade against the ILF was to “purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest.” As of today, both militia corps have withdrawn their wars, accepting defeat and realizing that their goal cannot be achieved.

I am pleased to report that the ILF still remains a vital part of the Placid Region and is no worse for wear. In fact we lost only three vessels in the conflict and actually saw an increase in our market activity during the interval. Taken as a whole, the period of the war declarations was actually a financial success for our Placid-based operations.

Now that the wars against us have ended, we resume our calls for a peaceful mediation of the conflict in the Placid Region in general and Intaki Space specifically. As always we remain dedicated to the principals of the Ida and seek to bring about the most good while causing the least harm to all involved.


How long before the Gallente come against you Saxon? How long before the Caldari begin a new march towards holding Intaki?

Peace is preferable, I agree but; these are not times for peace. The wider capsuleer community is supporting various sides to the Empires now.

You need to be ever vigilant and perhaps contemplate what really needs to be done to achieve your goals of peace.

Sun Zue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.08.16 17:33:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 16/08/2011 15:47:39
After its pleas for a peaceful resolution to the militia fighting in Intaki Space were met with violence, the leadership of the Intaki Liberation Front decided to take a more pro-active stance and announced publicly that we would work within our means to disrupt militia activity in our home systems.

As a result of this announcement, Caldari militia forces announced that we would be considered targets of opportunity and two corps, Hell’s Revenge and Short Bus Pole Dancers, even went so far as to actively declare war against us.

By their own declaration, the purpose of this crusade against the ILF was to “purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest.” As of today, both militia corps have withdrawn their wars, accepting defeat and realizing that their goal cannot be achieved.

I am pleased to report that the ILF still remains a vital part of the Placid Region and is no worse for wear. In fact we lost only three vessels in the conflict and actually saw an increase in our market activity during the interval. Taken as a whole, the period of the war declarations was actually a financial success for our Placid-based operations.

Now that the wars against us have ended, we resume our calls for a peaceful mediation of the conflict in the Placid Region in general and Intaki Space specifically. As always we remain dedicated to the principals of the Ida and seek to bring about the most good while causing the least harm to all involved.


Surrender? Who said we were going to do that? Nobody here, that's for sure. Let it be clear, we only stopped paying the bill on the war, and no longer care what CONCORD has to say about it. We will still shoot you on sight.

This time we are going to work toward cripple the Intaki economy. As of now, all transport ships found in Placid by SBPD, not DIRECTLY owned and operated by Caldari Mega Corps will also be destroyed. You and the rest of your sad little group just ran and hid when the war was on. Now, we will save our ISK and just plain KOS the ILF, IRED, and all those aiding you.

Remember, no one here said anything about surrender, just a change in tactics.

BTW WHAT Pro-Active stance? The whole time the war was one there was no sign of any of you.


Beshnu
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.08.16 17:56:00 - [5]
 

Is that what you told your people Mr. Hawke?

That we surrendered?

Typical of a politician to lie about something like that just to make themselves feel/look better in the eyes of their leaders.

As one of my directors clearly stated, we didnt surrender. we just got bored at the fact that the men of ILF stayed home with their husbands and watch old halo-reels of the good ol' days.

We at SBPD will continue to shoot anything that isnt friendly or member of Caldari Militia.

The fact that you stated that we surrendered is hilarious and uncomforitable at the same time.

Good luck Mr. Hawke and enjoy those reels. Tell the people of ILF what you want them to believe and they will believe in what SBPD will continue to do......and that is racking up the corpses, in a body count contest

Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.16 21:33:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Beshnu
Typical of a politician to lie about something like that just to make themselves feel/look better in the eyes of their leaders.


There was no lie. Your corporation declared a war with a stated purpose, but did not have the conviction to complete the goal under. You failed and quit the war declaration. Granted your surrender was not formally rendered, but we accept it none-the-less.

Originally by: Beshnu
We just got bored at the fact that the men of ILF stayed home with their husbands and watch old halo-reels of the good ol' days.


Now who’s telling lies? Our combat records clearly show losses and kills during the times in which war was declared against us. Just because we chose not to let you dictate the field of battle doesn’t mean that we weren’t fighting.

Originally by: Beshnu
We at SBPD will continue to shoot anything that isnt friendly or member of Caldari Militia. The people of ILF will believe in what SBPD will continue to do......and that is racking up the corpses, in a body count contest


When the Caldari militia came to Intaki the first time, they portrayed themselves as liberators and I was truly tempted to believe them. But some nagging doubt in my mind kept me from doing so. Then came the auctioning of Intaki systems to Caldari megacorporations and I began to see the veneer peeling away. Now, with your wanton declarations, I can see the true nature of the Caldari and I am glad I did not pledge allegiance to anything you represent.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Now, with your wanton declarations, I can see the true nature of the Caldari and I am glad I did not pledge allegiance to anything you represent.


Mr. Hawke, there's nothing particularly Caldari about what they are.

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:50:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Now, with your wanton declarations, I can see the true nature of the Caldari and I am glad I did not pledge allegiance to anything you represent.


Mr. Hawke, there's nothing particularly Caldari about what they are.


That much is certain.

Paul J Keating
Gallente
The Light on the Hill
Posted - 2011.08.17 00:05:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Sun Zue
This time we are going to work toward cripple the Intaki economy. As of now, all transport ships found in Placid by SBPD, not DIRECTLY owned and operated by Caldari Mega Corps will also be destroyed.



Attacking civilian, non-capsuleer transport ships. That's a war crime. You display such a shocking disregard for human life and I can only hope other members of the State Protectorate will not be so callous.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.17 00:14:00 - [10]
 

Oh, they're not Caldari, are they? I'm sure I can conveniently dismiss any elements of the FDU as "not being true Gallenteans" as and when it suits me, then.

Congratulations to the ILF, in any case. The fight against tyranny continues.

Logan Fyreite
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.08.17 00:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sun Zue

This time we are going to work toward cripple the Intaki economy. As of now, all transport ships found in Placid by SBPD, not DIRECTLY owned and operated by Caldari Mega Corps will also be destroyed.


Threats of violence against haulers or transport ships in low security seems somehow... underwhelming.

I think you might be able to rely on the pirate elements to do their best to help you with this, I suppose that means in black and white terms you are allied with the pirates?

I digress, if current trends are any indication, I'd say the ILF already has a decent working knowledge of how to avoid or minimize such traps, and seemed able to avoid them while the war was on at least.

Originally by: Sun Zue

Remember, no one here said anything about surrender, just a change in tactics.


Oh, you are just to good at this. A war is where you try to remove all aspects of your opponents force, including logistics, economy, will to fight and fighting forces. What exactly is the new tactic to be utilized? A focus on killing their industrial support and "crippling the Intaki economy"? Here's a tip for your next war, you might want to focus on that during the war, and not after and you might have more success. You Squids do have such an inherent and amazing grasp of tactics.

I guess it matters little what I think as I am just a unfriendly neighbor to the ILF, but sometimes responses are just too difficult to pass up.

John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.17 03:09:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Logan Fyreite

I think you might be able to rely on the pirate elements to do their best to help you with this, I suppose that means in black and white terms you are allied with the pirates?



They are pirates.

Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.17 06:12:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke
Edited by: Saxon Hawke on 16/08/2011 15:47:39
After its pleas for a peaceful resolution to the militia fighting in Intaki Space were met with violence, the leadership of the Intaki Liberation Front decided to take a more pro-active stance and announced publicly that we would work within our means to disrupt militia activity in our home systems.

As a result of this announcement, Caldari militia forces announced that we would be considered targets of opportunity and two corps, Hell’s Revenge and Short Bus Pole Dancers, even went so far as to actively declare war against us.

By their own declaration, the purpose of this crusade against the ILF was to “purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest.” As of today, both militia corps have withdrawn their wars, accepting defeat and realizing that their goal cannot be achieved.

I am pleased to report that the ILF still remains a vital part of the Placid Region and is no worse for wear. In fact we lost only three vessels in the conflict and actually saw an increase in our market activity during the interval. Taken as a whole, the period of the war declarations was actually a financial success for our Placid-based operations.

Now that the wars against us have ended, we resume our calls for a peaceful mediation of the conflict in the Placid Region in general and Intaki Space specifically. As always we remain dedicated to the principals of the Ida and seek to bring about the most good while causing the least harm to all involved.


The only harm inflicted in this was was upon yourselves. I do not recall hell's revenge losing any vessels during the duration of a week long 'war'. Having a war declaration bill to concord go unpaid does not stop me from blowing your alliance members up. The arrogance displayed here is just astounding. You claim victory when all that has occured is the destruction of ILF vessels? The caldari militia still operates in placid region, so I really am at a loss as to what victory you could have possibly claimed? None? Is it all propoganda? I think so.

Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.17 09:04:00 - [14]
 

What exactly did you do in this war to justify a public anouncement? What militia activity did you actually disrupt?

I smell b******t coming from the ILF.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.17 13:58:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Bataav on 17/08/2011 16:38:08
Originally by: Aodha Khan
What exactly did you do in this war to justify a public anouncement?

In the wake of the initial attack by Hell's Revenge on a mining vessel in the Intaki system and subsequent announcement clarifying the ILF's RoE with regards to aggressive militia activity, the IPI alliance received two independent declarations of war.

The first by Hell's Revenge came and went at the cost of two ILF vessels - a cruiser and battlecruiser. Immediately after the first engagement there was evidence of the grudging respect that can exist between opposing combatants and the pilots of Hell's Revenge made their presence felt through regular station camps and the intelligence channels were filled with sightings throughout Viriette and beyond. Despite the rattling of sabres that is to be expected here in the Summit, Hell's Revenge quietly went about their business.

The second by Short Bus Pole Dancers was a different matter, starting with a public declaration of intent to "work with Hells Revenge to purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest." Despite assertions that the IPI went to ground during the two wars, killboards show that ILF combat pilots were active throughout Placid, Syndicate and other regions. In contrast to Hell's Revenge, intelligence channels revealed that in the main SBPD had a distinct lack of presence in the Intaki and surrounding systems.

While Hell's Revenge were able to inflict two losses on the ILF, Short Bus Pole Dancers only involvement appears to have been one of their pilot tagging along as part of a Hell's Revenge fleet. Clearly keen to impress their betters SBPD mimicked the Hell's Revenge wardec and made sure we all heard about it, though they were hugely ineffective in putting their words into action. How long Hell's Revenge are content to have another group ride on their coat tails in a vain attempt for glory remains to be seen.

To answer the question of why the ILF leadership felt it necessary to make our announcement, it was deemed appropriate to respond to SBPD's opening Summit salvo with an official closing statement for the affair.

Originally by: Super Chair
I really am at a loss as to what victory you could have possibly claimed? None? Is it all propoganda? I think so.

If we look again to Sun Zue's words in his public statement linked above "We will work with Hells Revenge to purge this blight from Placid so to open the door to true Caldari conquest" it is clear that the defined objective of the war was a resounding failure. The IPI still operates freely throughout Placid. The ILF continue to operate both in and out of Intaki. Indeed the Intaki 5-5 trade hub saw an increase in sales during the period.

It's either an IPI victory or a CalMil failure, but either way I believe we'd be straying uneccesarily from the topic if we allow ourselves to be overly distracted by this one point.

I would like to highlight the particular section where the removal of the IPI will "open the door to true Caldari conquest" though. It's nice to learn that not only do the IPI continue to make a positive impact on commerce, industry and trade in Intaki, but it seems we are also acknowledged by some as a barrier to aggressive State conquest and occupation.

[Edit: spelling]

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:02:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Bataav on 17/08/2011 16:44:50
Originally by: Logan Fyreite
Originally by: Sun Zue
This time we are going to work toward cripple the Intaki economy. As of now, all transport ships found in Placid by SBPD, not DIRECTLY owned and operated by Caldari Mega Corps will also be destroyed.

Threats of violence against haulers or transport ships in low security seems somehow... underwhelming.

I think you might be able to rely on the pirate elements to do their best to help you with this, I suppose that means in black and white terms you are allied with the pirates?

Mr Fyreite makes a very interesting point here when introducing the idea of piracy to the discussion.

It's clear from the miriad of discussions here in the Summit that have recently debated matters relating to the various groups invested in Intaki, Viriette and wider the Placid region, that the State militia and I-RED alliance have been locked in conflict that stem from accusations of piracy. This has been expanded to include the label of "traitor" towards I-RED following efforts to tackle piracy and making use of Federation militia fleets to achieve the goals and objectives involved. It's also clear that representatives from a range of corporations, with current or past affiliations with both Federation and State militias have publically stated that they have worked together in a number of arenas to tackle capsuleer piracy, though these seem to curiously have avoided the traitor label.

In his statement answering the ILF's response to State militia aggression, Super Chair of Hell's Revenge defended his actions in destroying the original mining vessel by citing the ILF's positive standings and working relationship with the I-RED alliance. With the accusation of piracy against I-RED again present, I find it ironic that elements of the Caldari militia are now turning to piracy themselves in their attempts to resolve the situation to their satisfaction.

As a final additional point, though I have touched on the subject myself, I am disappointed that regardless of the opening statements and intentions of commentators addressing matters that relate to Intaki, it seems a common theme for the discussion to very quickly become mired by internal disagreements between those representing different factions within the State, more recently on the Federation side and of course between the two groups themselves. The Summit is full of examples and they are not hard to find.

How very apt that when debating the needs of the Intaki system we are soon surrounded by squabbling and infighting on all sides and Intaki finds itself ignored and in the middle. A sad but true reflection of the reality in the system itself.

While those around us make their efforts to put themselves ahead of their rivals, the people of Intaki can be sure that there is at least one group who will not be distracted from it's goals. The ILF and IPI will continue to work with it's allies and partners with Intaki's interests at heart.

Bataav
Diplomat. ILF.

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Sun Zue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.08.17 14:10:00 - [17]
 

The ILF has not done a thing to disrupt Militia activity in the Placid region, they would have to undock to do that. ALSO, I remember speaking about SBPD's and not the militia so do clomp all corps together, we ARE far worse.

Who is innocent? This is war and there is two sides of it, yours and the enemies side. You pick a side and support it, if not you're supporting the enemy and there for you are a combatant on the field. I-RED should know this well, they have gone GCC to kill Caldari Militia when they see fit. This means those who support them with weapons and ships will also be flagged as enemies. Transport ships moving these items can not chose to support these enemies and not expect to be left alone.

We at the SBPD stand apart from the militia in this quest. Sense no orders from higher in the command have come down to stop, we will continue.

Oh one last thing, if pirate's in placid wished to stop shooting caldari militia members, I would work with the syndicate. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.08.17 15:01:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Oh, they're not Caldari, are they? I'm sure I can conveniently dismiss any elements of the FDU as "not being true Gallenteans" as and when it suits me, then.


Mmh. I can always rely on you, Seriphyn.

Dementia is dementia, whatever flag it flies. It's no more "Caldari" or "Gallente" than it is "Jovian," and may be a good deal less. And it's as much a hazard to the side it flies for as it is to the enemy, for reasons presently being demonstrated here.

It's the reason you don't see me flying for the Caldari: I don't much like the idea of becoming the kind of soldier who brings shame to my homeland and undue attention to my class. Which, like these pirates, I would.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.17 15:03:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Bataav on 17/08/2011 16:46:56
Originally by: Sun Zue
The ILF has not done a thing to disrupt Militia activity in the Placid region, they would have to undock to do that.

It could be argued that while elements of the Caldari militia such as Hell's Revenge pilots (moreso than SBPD) were sat camping the Astral Mining station undock in their Tempests, under observation by cloaked ILF pilots including myself, they were not actively prosecuting the war against the Federation. Sitting idle in Intaki they were not contributing to efforts to affect the occupancy of any system in the entire contested zone. Without firing a shot the ILF's distraction effectively rendered these individual pilots irrelevant to the larger conflict and all at the expense of 50mil ISK from the Hell's Revenge and SBPDs war chests.

How many State militia ships were lost across the contested zone in the war against their Federation counterparts because Hell's Revenge and SBPD pilots weren't present to engage the enemy but were instead focussed on the ILF in Intaki?

Originally by: Sun Zue
Transport ships moving these items can not chose to support these enemies and not expect to be left alone... The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

How disappointing of you then to ignore the potential that the ILF and IPI offers. Evidence shows that pilots of the State Militia regularly use the Intaki 5-5 trade hub alongside Federation militia pilots and others. And now you seek to destroy all that has been achieved? You'd willingly deny your own side an established supply source? What are your other local options for replacement ships and modules? May I recommend Orvolle and Stacmon. I'm sure the Federation authorities will warmly welcome your custom in their systems...

Whatever happened to strategic forethought? I'd have expected the State militia to be courting for our support building on our public campaigning for a secession from the Federation. If anything you've done nothing but validate our defence against those who have in the past accused us of being State sympathisers.

I'd have thought that with an established and growing Intaki 5-5 trade hub and recent announcement by LDIS regarding manufacture and trade relating to Lai Dai's range of ships in Black Rise, we'd see talks of investment in a secure trade route between the two, with real potential for healthy profits for those involved. Instead your short sightedness is denying your partners their opportunities.

Remove the blight from Placid? Please. With increased trade from pilots on all sides and publically absolving us of any implication in the State's ongoing invasion of Placid your efforts appear to have contributed to securing our future.

I'm tempted to recommend our industrialists speak with the LDIS representatives to explore this business opportunity regardless of your petty threats.

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Jyotmimana Karana
The Pruthaak
Posted - 2011.08.17 15:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sun Zue
The ILF has not done a thing to disrupt Militia activity in the Placid region, they would have to undock to do that.


It would actually seem to me that the ILF's military leadership are astute students of Intaki history. Let me relate this story:

In the final days of the reign of Jindle Battacharjee when the way of the Ida had not yet come to prominence among the Intaki, the Idama numbered only 12. They and their followers were looked upon as death cultists and Jindle Battacharjee issued a decree that all the Idama be executed

Knowing that they would be reborn, most of the Idama willingly allowed themselves to be captured. However, when other followers of the Ida — those who had not yet learned the techniques of rebirth — were put to death, one Idama felt compelled to defend them.

Septi Muddiah and his followers were basically farmers; they had lived in relative peace and had not resorted to any form of an army. When soldiers came for them, they took refuge in the hills and mountainsides. There, a small group of about 200 organized as a guerrilla unit.

Once regrouped and organized, this small group reaffirmed the principles of Ida with a willingness to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their belief. In what they lacked in supplies and training, they made up with their devotion. They worked on strengthening their contacts among the Ida followers in various settlements, maintaining supplies and intelligence gathering.

Jindle Battacharjee’s army was well trained, well organized and tried in battle. Their ranks were composed of heavy and light infantry, heavy and light cavalry, chariots, elephant units and engines for hurling huge stones. Their weapons included swords, javelins, spears bows, slings and battering rams. The Ida followers had such homemade weapons as the sling and the mace. Here is where Septi Muddiah’s genius came to even the sides.

Jindle Battacharjee’s army enjoyed the overwhelming superiority in manpower and arms. However they were trained for battle in a conventional fighting form. Septi Muddiah saw that to engage the army head on was insane. He realized that that the weakness in this method of warfare was in the cumbersome conventional movement of the organized units.

Septi Muddiah realized the advantages to be gained from refusing to allow the enemy to dictate the field and style of battle. His strength was in the agility of his men to move quickly, quietly and independently and their desire to prevail. They possessed intimate knowledge of the local terrain and used it to get around the army.

Untrained for battle in a non-orthodox form, the army was unable to engage Septi Muddiah’s group in any meaningful way. Although Septi Muddiah and his men suffered losses, they could not be defeated.

Eventually the supplies of Jindle Battacharjee’s army dwindled. The men became disheartened and wanted to return home. Demoralized and unable to complete their objective, the army withdrew and Sept Muddiah and his people were able to live once more in peace and harmony.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.08.17 19:50:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth

It's the reason you don't see me flying for the Caldari: I don't much like the idea of becoming the kind of soldier who brings shame to my homeland and undue attention to my class. Which, like these pirates, I would.


You should stop flagellating yourself someday.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.08.17 20:20:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
You should stop flagellating yourself someday.


The thing about flagellating yourself: it's supposed to hurt. If it doesn't, there's something else going on.

My comments on my own condition and actions are not usually intended to be self-critical so much as self-reflective. Were I in the war, close to human Caldari, and subject to the kinds of pressures at play in any conflict with as much history as the Gallente and Caldari have, it would be easy for to conclude a few things I'd rather not see myself conclude.

I wrote a few down, just now, but having looked them over I'd rather not give the Gallente (or Ms. Mithra) that kind of ammunition. Suffice to say that it is all too easy to get swept up in the passion of the thing, and if there are no effective limiters on your behavior, well....

"Let's just not go there" seems the responsible approach.

That's leaving out the kind of opportunism you see from run-of-the-mill Demented, which these NBSI ... elements ... of StPro seem to be. My own reactions would be more emotionally driven: more "pro-Caldari," but ultimately no more representative of the Caldari State's national character.

Alain Octirant
Gallente
Federal Nationalist Party
Posted - 2011.08.17 22:52:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sun Zue
The ILF has not done a thing to disrupt Militia activity in the Placid region, they would have to undock to do that. ALSO, I remember speaking about SBPD's and not the militia so do clomp all corps together, we ARE far worse.

Who is innocent? This is war and there is two sides of it, yours and the enemies side. You pick a side and support it, if not you're supporting the enemy and there for you are a combatant on the field. I-RED should know this well, they have gone GCC to kill Caldari Militia when they see fit. This means those who support them with weapons and ships will also be flagged as enemies. Transport ships moving these items can not chose to support these enemies and not expect to be left alone.

We at the SBPD stand apart from the militia in this quest. Sense no orders from higher in the command have come down to stop, we will continue.

Oh one last thing, if pirate's in placid wished to stop shooting caldari militia members, I would work with the syndicate. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


While I despise every one of those Placid terrorist scum, I have to say that I applaud their defeat of the Caldari militia. Their partizan resistance tactics, honed for so long in their Intaki hideout have worked to frustrate the colonising efforts of the fascists.

Now, time for the Federal Defence Union to flood Intaki in numbers to crush the final resistance of all the rebels and filth who stick to Placid like fecal matter to a blanket.

Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.08.18 01:28:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Bataav
I'd have thought that with an established and growing Intaki 5-5 trade hub and recent announcement by LDIS regarding manufacture and trade relating to Lai Dai's range of ships in Black Rise, we'd see talks of investment in a secure trade route between the two, with real potential for healthy profits for those involved. Instead your short sightedness is denying your partners their opportunities.

...

I'm tempted to recommend our industrialists speak with the LDIS representatives to explore this business opportunity regardless of your petty threats.

Lai Dai policy is to minimize actual operations in areas where it does not have final authority of its property. When Lai Dai is interested in long term investment in such areas, it traditionally provides financing and guidance to local corporations (Khanid Innovations & Carthum Conglomerate being examples). LDIS follows this policy.

In the case of Intaki, Lai Dai lacks final authority regardless of whether it is occupied/controlled by the Federation, State, or an independent Intaki state. Ishukone has won rights to manage Intaki's development from the prespective of Lai Dai and the State. Any direct business dealings between the Intaki and Lai Dai would violate State law. LDIS will recongize this law (despite capsuleer status) and any business involving Intaki (and southern Placid in general) should be worked through the respective corporations or their capsuleer affiliates.

Other than in its use as a Federation military base, LDIS must refer to Ishukone's representatives or affiliates with regards to Intaki.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.18 01:46:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Bataav
I'd have thought that with an established and growing Intaki 5-5 trade hub and recent announcement by LDIS regarding manufacture and trade relating to Lai Dai's range of ships in Black Rise, we'd see talks of investment in a secure trade route between the two, with real potential for healthy profits for those involved. Instead your short sightedness is denying your partners their opportunities.

...

I'm tempted to recommend our industrialists speak with the LDIS representatives to explore this business opportunity regardless of your petty threats.

Lai Dai policy is to minimize actual operations in areas where it does not have final authority of its property. When Lai Dai is interested in long term investment in such areas, it traditionally provides financing and guidance to local corporations (Khanid Innovations & Carthum Conglomerate being examples). LDIS follows this policy.

In the case of Intaki, Lai Dai lacks final authority regardless of whether it is occupied/controlled by the Federation, State, or an independent Intaki state. Ishukone has won rights to manage Intaki's development from the prespective of Lai Dai and the State. Any direct business dealings between the Intaki and Lai Dai would violate State law. LDIS will recongize this law (despite capsuleer status) and any business involving Intaki (and southern Placid in general) should be worked through the respective corporations or their capsuleer affiliates.

Other than in its use as a Federation military base, LDIS must refer to Ishukone's representatives or affiliates with regards to Intaki.

Thank you for the clarification in this matter. I'll speak with others in the ILF to explore our options.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.08.18 11:00:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Lyn Farel
You should stop flagellating yourself someday.


The thing about flagellating yourself: it's supposed to hurt. If it doesn't, there's something else going on.

My comments on my own condition and actions are not usually intended to be self-critical so much as self-reflective. Were I in the war, close to human Caldari, and subject to the kinds of pressures at play in any conflict with as much history as the Gallente and Caldari have, it would be easy for to conclude a few things I'd rather not see myself conclude.

I wrote a few down, just now, but having looked them over I'd rather not give the Gallente (or Ms. Mithra) that kind of ammunition. Suffice to say that it is all too easy to get swept up in the passion of the thing, and if there are no effective limiters on your behavior, well....

"Let's just not go there" seems the responsible approach.

That's leaving out the kind of opportunism you see from run-of-the-mill Demented, which these NBSI ... elements ... of StPro seem to be. My own reactions would be more emotionally driven: more "pro-Caldari," but ultimately no more representative of the Caldari State's national character.


I can understand that, but you always sound like if you lack of self confidence or if you just hate your weaknesses. Not that it is true, of course.

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.08.18 11:55:00 - [27]
 

It is a relatively common pride motivated PR error to declare that an end to Concord sanctioned war is a surrender of hostilities. An end to Concord sanction most often simply means a change in tactical focus.

Before declaring an enemy has surrendered, it is proper protocol to present and publish the mutually agreed surrender terms. If no such terms exist, there is no surrender.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.18 15:41:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Bataav on 18/08/2011 15:48:03
Originally by: Kazzzi
It is a relatively common pride motivated PR error to declare that an end to Concord sanctioned war is a surrender of hostilities. An end to Concord sanction most often simply means a change in tactical focus.

Before declaring an enemy has surrendered, it is proper protocol to present and publish the mutually agreed surrender terms. If no such terms exist, there is no surrender.

It is true that no surrender terms were agreed between Short Bus Pole Dancers and the Intaki Prosperity Initiative when they declared war against us. However, there are two very important points to note:
  • The first is that SBPD, as quoted in my earlier responses to this discussion, made a public declaration of a clearly defined objective for the purpose of their war against us - the removal of the IPI alliance from Placid. It can be taken that this objective effectively serves as SBPD's terms towards the IPI.


  • The second is that unlike the wardec against us by Hell's Revenge, which was allowed to run the minimum full term before coming to an end, the notification received from CONCORD confirms that the leadership of SBPD made a conscious decision to actively retract their wardec before the minimum timescale had expired.

    Surrender:
    —vb
    to relinquish or forego control or influence, as a voluntary concession to another

It is the judgement of the ILF leadership that in the light of SBPD's damning failure regarding their defined objective and the voluntary retraction of their declaration of war, this was a surrender from the official CONCORD sanctioned conflict.

The ILF accepts that despite the two wars having expired, both Hell's Revenge and Short Bus Pole Dancers will remain a threat to IPI vessels as they travel throughout Placid. Therefore it should come as no surpise to learn that they remain flagged with a -10 (red) standing to reflect this.

[Edit: Spelling]

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.08.18 22:14:00 - [29]
 

Regardless, I do hope this cessation of hostilities will serve to preserve the liberty of a free Intaki.

If for any reason, because I like the sound of that name. Intaki. In Ta Keeee.

Omiot Pavus
Caldari
Kasaoka Laboratories
Posted - 2011.08.19 12:54:00 - [30]
 

To try and claim that either of the militia corporations have "surrendered" when they seem to be too willing to continue attacking ILF operations doesn't qualify as anything short of a joke to me. The corporations haven't "surrendered," ILF grandstanding notwithstanding. They've only stopped paying their bills.

That's a sight different from ceasing hostilities.


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