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Posted - 2011.08.16 11:45:00 - [1]
 

CCP Pollux's new blog details the report-a-bot feature and the work the EVE Security Task Force does.

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Charles Javeroux
Gallente
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:09:00 - [2]
 

Nice blog. Now we are well prepared to bring the bot-paranoia to new heights Very Happy

Bruno Bummel
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:14:00 - [3]
 

Awesome to see that finally actions are beeing taken against this mayor issue.

Crowdsourcing the initial identification of suspects seems to be a good start, for Highsec.

But what about bots that operate deep in regions of EVE where there is no real people to notice them. Are automatic detection routines in place to check on people online 23.5/7 that are doing the same thing all day long? A little confirmation that this is beeing worked on is more than enough.

Amsterdam Conversations
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Bruno Bummel
Awesome to see that finally actions are beeing taken against this mayor issue.

Crowdsourcing the initial identification of suspects seems to be a good start, for Highsec.

But what about bots that operate deep in regions of EVE where there is no real people to notice them. Are automatic detection routines in place to check on people online 23.5/7 that are doing the same thing all day long? A little confirmation that this is beeing worked on is more than enough.

No, I have dozens of botters in my contacts who are online 23/7.

Amsterdam Conversations
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:27:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Amsterdam Conversations on 16/08/2011 12:27:30
I also hope that players will receive a warning before "actions are taken" against their account. This is even more important since players petitioning botters don't receive any feedback, even if it is negative.

Like I said, I have dozens of 0.0 ratting bots on my watchlist, 80% of them are online a month after I petitioned them (and yeah, these are definitely bots). So I reported them as bots seperately.

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:36:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 16/08/2011 12:42:53
Will future devblogs expand on your succesful persecution of certain types of bots?

While a 'how to use Report Bot' devblog is ok, it's not nearly as interesting as showing the actual results. Or in other words: how have the efforts of the ESTF made EVE a better place?

Also: would it be possible to release a picture showing in what areas the 'report bot' function has been used the most (or in what areas you've found the most bots, if you have other ways to detect them as well)? Sort of Colour Stars By -> Bots Found.

Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:39:00 - [7]
 

While it's great that you are doing something, report-a-bot button isn't that great. I'm more interested in what kind of automated defenses you are implementing, also we need statistics of bans, cuz now I have no idea how many you ban and if you even react to those reports.

Shauku Nyal
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:40:00 - [8]
 

I approve of this blog and look forward the next installment.

Do bot hunters get bounty rewards? :D Twisted Evil

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:45:00 - [9]
 

While it is important to highlight to everyone how to report and recognise bots I also would like to know how many people are caught with this system (graphs!).

I would also like to know in what way people are considered "blacklisted" or "on parole" after being caught red-botted. Are their additional accounts also targetted or just the one caught botting.

Does CCP security have acces to payment data so it can easily round up all the accounts of one person (or family/group) and put them under the loop also? Are "know assosciates" looked at to?

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:45:00 - [10]
 

Cannot help but sense that human operated miners who have a repetitive nature will be reported a heck of a lot.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:49:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Chribba on 16/08/2011 12:57:56
Hopefully it will be for the better. Keep up the good work!

also edit/I would like Pollux view input on automated login... software(?). There are password manager software out there that have limited types of macro features, so that they will auto-fill in your user details for websites, programs, etc

What is the stance on using said technique to make the login proceedure easier, as configured properly all needed to do from the password manager is to press "go" kinda - for example KeePass has such features.

/c

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:53:00 - [12]
 

I wonder if this encourages small talk in local?

WarpCore Breacher
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:55:00 - [13]
 

Hi there will there be bulls eyes painted on there ships. If they are Bots and if so can we shoot them when they are like that if so no concord offence or stats loss? That would be great, then we know its okay. Thanks Another pile of ore. Need a hauling ship. Laughing That when ships are on the bot program free shooting and no concord could this be true? Wow Can't wait.Evil or Very Mad


Forest Hill
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:02:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 16/08/2011 12:42:53
Also: would it be possible to release a picture showing in what areas the 'report bot' function has been used the most (or in what areas you've found the most bots, if you have other ways to detect them as well)? Sort of Colour Stars By -> Bots Found.



This! I second the call for stats/graphs, but what Deirdra suggests would be even better.

The request for taking a look at 'known associates': definitely necessary - agreed!

Eric Deloitte
The Flowing Penguins
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:03:00 - [15]
 

Its the human miners with OCD I feel sorry for in all of this Razz

onefineday
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:14:00 - [16]
 

how can you know its a bot mabby this person is quiet and does not want to interact whit a neutral, he so him and went to poss straight away how can you be sure is booting, at least the person ho is reported to be a bot shuld be contacted by some service and as kt few qvestions or so because i can report any one ho is afk mabby what he is a bot it stupid

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:16:00 - [17]
 

lemme explain how to fix botting:

1. select all pilot currently in nullsec where shiptype = hulk
2. ban each and every one of them
3. fixed.

guaranteed 99% efficiency, near 0 effort :P

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:24:00 - [18]
 

Looks like it is time to do a roam through the East!

Armonda Secheh
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:32:00 - [19]
 

may i ask how do u intend to get 00-space botuser reportet?
They īll warp to savespot / dock at station everytime a not-blue-standing pilot is entering the system.

Itīs a nice idea and may be the fear of highsec botuser, but the bigfishes īll be untouched.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Hayaishi
Cannot help but sense that human operated miners who have a repetitive nature will be reported a heck of a lot.


That is my concern as well.



Also, it seems to me that instead of CCP explicitly requiring players to be quite certain before they report a bot, it'd be better if CCP implemented a "Report Suspected Bot" function, with the server totalling such "votes", and once any given pilot has gotten a certain number of votes from different players, within a certain span of time, say 10 votes within 30 days, the actions of that pilot becomes subject to automatic scrutiny, and possibly some automatic script testing. If this automatic scrutiny suggests that it could be a bot, manual scrutiny happens. If manual scrutiny says it's a bot, it's banhammer time.

Pilots with more than a certain number of non-expired bot votes, say more than 2 votes, could also be marked in overview, so that other players know there may be something to watch for here.

In this way, players can feel more free to report a suspected bot, instead of having to play detectives, and players who abuse the function, and generate heaps of false positives, can hae the option to report suspected boths taken away from them, for some months, or permanently (players who generate many false positives should also perhaps receive a warning).

I think that CCP's current implementation will both generate too many false positives, and at the same time will not catch a whole lot of botters. It's better than nothing, but is a bit of a blunt instrument.

And I second all the calls for published statistics. I, too, want to see the body count.

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:41:00 - [21]
 

FINALLY!

Thanks CCP.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:43:00 - [22]
 

Now to go back to my old stomping grounds which was full of them...

muahahahahahahaha.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:46:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Armonda Secheh
may i ask how do u intend to get 00-space botuser reportet?
They īll warp to savespot / dock at station everytime a not-blue-standing pilot is entering the system.

Itīs a nice idea and may be the fear of highsec botuser, but the bigfishes īll be untouched.


Don't be red?

The use of the report bot feature cannot be detected by your alliance leadership. This sounds like a good use of spies. Fly about and report all the bots.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:50:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Hayaishi
Cannot help but sense that human operated miners who have a repetitive nature will be reported a heck of a lot.


Sepcially the ones that have the same name ended in different numbers (i.e. name1, name2, name3, from the Name family Rolling Eyes), always keep their hardeners on, never use drones and never react to being locked by a player...

Glaso Fruixette
Posted - 2011.08.16 13:54:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Glaso Fruixette on 16/08/2011 13:56:29
Actually it's quite simple to spot a bot.
-It has a chinese or a "dkjsdfjdfh" name
-They undock in mass
-They all fly in ravens

I see this every day after 18h eve time.

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:07:00 - [26]
 

best .... dev blog ..... EVER

here i come drf space with my army of cloaky alts

Vidfarne
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:18:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Hayaishi
Cannot help but sense that human operated miners who have a repetitive nature will be reported a heck of a lot.


That is my concern as well.



Also, it seems to me that instead of CCP explicitly requiring players to be quite certain before they report a bot, it'd be better if CCP implemented a "Report Suspected Bot" function, with the server totalling such "votes", and once any given pilot has gotten a certain number of votes from different players, within a certain span of time, say 10 votes within 30 days, the actions of that pilot becomes subject to automatic scrutiny, and possibly some automatic script testing. If this automatic scrutiny suggests that it could be a bot, manual scrutiny happens. If manual scrutiny says it's a bot, it's banhammer time.

Pilots with more than a certain number of non-expired bot votes, say more than 2 votes, could also be marked in overview, so that other players know there may be something to watch for here.

In this way, players can feel more free to report a suspected bot, instead of having to play detectives, and players who abuse the function, and generate heaps of false positives, can hae the option to report suspected boths taken away from them, for some months, or permanently (players who generate many false positives should also perhaps receive a warning).

I think that CCP's current implementation will both generate too many false positives, and at the same time will not catch a whole lot of botters. It's better than nothing, but is a bit of a blunt instrument.

And I second all the calls for published statistics. I, too, want to see the body count.



Well, I do hope CCP also monitors the players who makes the reports, just spamming "Report botter" should also be a banable offence.

As a side note, I remember when the real goons mass petitioned all BoB super capital pilots for account sharing, just simply because it was possible within the game mechanics...

Cassina Lemour
Minmatar
Staner Industries
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:20:00 - [28]
 


I've noticed a decline in mining bots, but there are others, the most annoying type are the complex camping bots, which won't be making lots of repetitive actions, but equally unfair.


SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Armonda Secheh
may i ask how do u intend to get 00-space botuser reportet?
They īll warp to savespot / dock at station everytime a not-blue-standing pilot is entering the system.

Itīs a nice idea and may be the fear of highsec botuser, but the bigfishes īll be untouched.


QFT!

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:24:00 - [30]
 

Looking forward to all the tears from people banned for reporting falsely because no one wants to talk to them ..


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