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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.31 18:09:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

Look at null for example. Some of the greatest rewards with minimal risk on sov space. That needs to be fixed.


Minimal risk because of group effort.

It's a sandbox its up to other players to provide the risk, if they don't want to go make a particular part of null more dangerous for the people living there because they are afraid the people living there might jump them with 50 canes then that's on them.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.31 18:25:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Ingvar Angst

Look at null for example. Some of the greatest rewards with minimal risk on sov space. That needs to be fixed.


Minimal risk because of group effort.

It's a sandbox its up to other players to provide the risk, if they don't want to go make a particular part of null more dangerous for the people living there because they are afraid the people living there might jump them with 50 canes then that's on them.


You know... that's a helluva good point. It's also something that moving ice or ABC solely to null isn't going to change either.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.31 18:59:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins


Makes absolute sense eh? Neutral




riiiight 20% should rule the 80% eh? Good logic cause all those 80% dont pay $15 too... hey I got a great idea, make it so only the ppl in 0.0 have to pay a monthly fee and let the high sec ppl play F2P.


raker
Posted - 2011.08.31 19:24:00 - [94]
 

I am a 2003 char

Ive done most things in Eve, Ive founded three corps

Ive mined my way to get my ships and done countless misisons

Ive been part of a big alliance in Querious (Fix) and played a part as one of the Ceo's in that big allaince

I took a many breaks from the game as I have felt I had done it all and got bored of it


I returned after a real life friend had joined a WH corp and was having Fun

For me, WH's are where the fun is at, it has small fleet battles and no local and you have to rely on your corp mates to be able to survive

The borders change daily and you don't know what the next WH will bring

For me, not being in safe space and being in true hostile space has made the game fun to play again

I would recommend any char that feels that the spark has gone from the game to get into a WH


Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
Posted - 2011.08.31 19:26:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Trixie Stardust
Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
The reason i hate Null Sec. I log into EVE instantly someone is yelling at me in chat get in Vent/TS3/Mumble. I get in whatever. Someone i dont even really like is telling me get in X ship and go to X location and do X. I get to X and sit for 2-3 hours doing nothing but waiting. I did this for about a month then though to my self i am paying to do this? WTF. I am sure Null Sec is great but my time there sucked A**.


If that's your only memory of nullsec then you don't have much experience there. Sounds like you're exaggerating.. I've been in this game way too long, I've never been in a corp where anyone made me do anything.

Personally my only problem with nullsec is..

1) it's actually rather empty.. I miss the traffic in empire

2) nullsec is fun but it's a huge isk sponge; every time I join a corp out there, I head out with a billion isk and wind up losing it all.. take a game break and three times now this has happened, I come back and Russians own everything.

Best thing to do is just have a setup in empire, missions or mining or whatever you do and keep all that separate from your nullsec stuff. So if you bust out in nullsec go play in empire, pop back and forth.




This is what happened to me when i was in Null Sec. I am real glad that your experiance there was different. I personaly will never pay $15.00 dollars a month again to have some jacka** telling me how to play. You say no one ever makes you do anything. All i can say is good for you.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.08.31 19:37:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: BrundleMeth on 31/08/2011 19:39:05
I've been playing 3 years got a few accounts. The most fun I had was 3 years ago when I joined a 0.0 corp with only a few million SP and moved out to Wicked Creek. Was way fun.
But that was before the stupid blob crap that I despise so much. Back then an 800 person battle was a blast...

Now, I simply enjoy sitting in hi-sec, ratting, doing some missions and mostly chatting in the NPC chat channels. I like watching my characters skills go up and I buy a GTC now and then so I can buy a nice Navy Ship or Tengu. I'll spend hours fitting and refitting it for laughs, my own personal EFT.

Then I'll fit a Raven with lazers and 3 Cap Boosters and post my fit and listen to all the big mouth jerks yell "Fail", "Noob" or "Go back to Wow" without realizing I did that just to push their buttons... Idiots...

Eyup Mi'duck
Posted - 2011.08.31 19:37:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
I personally will never pay $15.00 dollars a month again to have some jacka** telling me how to play.


^ THIS just about says it all.

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.08.31 19:39:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 31/08/2011 19:39:37
Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
Originally by: Trixie Stardust
Originally by: Akasha Dawn Worldbreaker
The reason i hate Null Sec. I log into EVE instantly someone is yelling at me in chat get in Vent/TS3/Mumble. I get in whatever. Someone i dont even really like is telling me get in X ship and go to X location and do X. I get to X and sit for 2-3 hours doing nothing but waiting. I did this for about a month then though to my self i am paying to do this? WTF. I am sure Null Sec is great but my time there sucked A**.


If that's your only memory of nullsec then you don't have much experience there. Sounds like you're exaggerating.. I've been in this game way too long, I've never been in a corp where anyone made me do anything.

Personally my only problem with nullsec is..

1) it's actually rather empty.. I miss the traffic in empire

2) nullsec is fun but it's a huge isk sponge; every time I join a corp out there, I head out with a billion isk and wind up losing it all.. take a game break and three times now this has happened, I come back and Russians own everything.

Best thing to do is just have a setup in empire, missions or mining or whatever you do and keep all that separate from your nullsec stuff. So if you bust out in nullsec go play in empire, pop back and forth.




This is what happened to me when i was in Null Sec. I am real glad that your experiance there was different. I personaly will never pay $15.00 dollars a month again to have some jacka** telling me how to play. You say no one ever makes you do anything. All i can say is good for you.


Yup me too... reason my main is never in 0.0 is pretty much that. Do this Do that.
every minute I was in 0.0 was a minute I didnt have free will to do what I want. I dont pay $30 a month for a second job, I pay it to have fun.
No, I wont post on my main, not cause Im scared or some BS, but because thats one of the smarter corp's rules lol

TharOkha
Posted - 2011.08.31 21:05:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Thornat
When you really think about it though I mean this sort of push to get carebears into null sec is silly as the issue is not motivation, the issue is simply realistic acessibility. 0.0 alliances and players dedicate themselves to keeping people out of their space 24/7. Patrols, roaming bands, gate camps etc.. CCP at the same time is dedicated to creating mechanics that allow null sec people to keep other people out. Warp Bubbles, Intradictors, insta locking etc...

The whole system is designed to keep people out, yet their is an outry to try to get people in. It almost sounds like a Jitta scam actually but propigated by 0.0 Alliances and CCP.


Exactly !!!! This whole "null-hisec ballance" is like, "move all pilots to null, but we will not allow them to do so".

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:52:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: Ingvar Angst

Look at null for example. Some of the greatest rewards with minimal risk on sov space. That needs to be fixed.


Minimal risk because of group effort.

It's a sandbox its up to other players to provide the risk, if they don't want to go make a particular part of null more dangerous for the people living there because they are afraid the people living there might jump them with 50 canes then that's on them.


You know... that's a helluva good point. It's also something that moving ice or ABC solely to null isn't going to change either.


But imagine all those brave bears that will try and lemming themselves into the path of those fast moving hurricanes. Wink

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:00:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins


Makes absolute sense eh? Neutral




riiiight 20% should rule the 80% eh? Good logic cause all those 80% dont pay $15 too... hey I got a great idea, make it so only the ppl in 0.0 have to pay a monthly fee and let the high sec ppl play F2P.




Or maybe that 80% should start banding together and you know, try to win at EVE instead of expecting CCP to hand them things like they are welfare mamas waiting for a check from the government because they are entitled. Everyone paid $15 to sit in the sandbox, what you do with the sand is on you bro.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:04:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Ingvar Angst on 01/09/2011 18:06:40
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
But imagine all those brave bears that will try and lemming themselves into the path of those fast moving hurricanes. Wink


There's certainly a romance in that, but to be honest... they won't. High sec dwellers will simply mine something else. Many POS's, with their fuel supply cut off, will die and the people will simply either do something else or, more likely, leave.

Reality has a way of reminding us that our dreams are only our dreams.
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins

Or maybe that 80% should start banding together and you know, try to win at EVE instead of expecting CCP to hand them things like they are welfare mamas waiting for a check from the government because they are entitled. Everyone paid $15 to sit in the sandbox, what you do with the sand is on you bro.


Take away all the sand and you'll find no one wants to play in your empty box.

Information Agent
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:14:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins

Or maybe that 80% should start banding together and you know, try to win at EVE instead of expecting CCP to hand them things like they are welfare mamas waiting for a check from the government because they are entitled. Everyone paid $15 to sit in the sandbox, what you do with the sand is on you bro.


You definition of 'winning EVE' is probably not the same as everyone elses, and not everyone wants to be herded around in fleets by internet warriors. Nullsec is boring, I spend more time on my highsec alt than my nullsec main. Null comes with politics, drama and blobs and feels like a second job somtimes, some people just want to to their own thing with their gametime. Razz

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:16:00 - [104]
 

This theory lacks catapults!

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:18:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst


Take away all the sand and you'll find no one wants to play in your empty box.



yup, **** off all the 80%, theyll find a new game an youll be left with noone paying ccp bro.

Guess what happens then?

Zyress
Posted - 2011.09.08 20:33:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
So what you are really saying is that group effort or effort in general should not come with more benefits and the game should be changed to EVE: Single Player Online to accommodate all the people who for whatever reason need to put less effort in the game but are entitled to the same rewards as group/more effort people by virtue of paying $15 a month while the smaller amount of people also playing $15 a month should somehow count less because they need to play more casual so others can compete?

Makes absolute sense eh? Neutral



There should be balance. You don't want to gut the gaming experience of those that choose a more casual play style compared to those that prefer greater risk/reward. But then again, the risk/reward thing really should be taken into consideration. Look at null for example. Some of the greatest rewards with minimal risk on sov space. That needs to be fixed.


Do you play the higher risk game style because you like it or is it really about the isk? If you choose to play in NUll I have to assume you are doing it because you like it, if it was about the isk, you would be doing missions in hisec. Being as you are playing in NUllsec for the fun of it, I don't see where the isk even enters into the equation, there is no imbalance you play the game the way that is fun to you and the carebears play the game the way that is fun to them. Most carebears actually do enjoy Pvp, they are just responsible enough to know that they need to have a regular hisec job to pay for it, and thats all they typically have time for on most nights. You just want to move regular hisec jobs out there so you have more targets. Because of the sov holding mechanics that won't happen. The mining and missions may go out there but noone but botters will be doing it out there. Making isk isn't what most nullsec people are there for and they aren't interested in it.


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