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dugdugdug
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:15:00 - [1]
 

hi guys. quick question.

i have GREAT missile skills, and i am looking to raise standing with a corp doing lvl 2 missions for quite a while and want essentially the quickest killing ship going.

the problems/requirements: has to be a frigate as the missions are in very hostile space and i want the mobility/gtfo options a frig gives.

this doesnt leave much in the way of choices. i am currently using a standard missile hawk and quite frankly i think a 9 second rof is painfully slow. i fly caldari and plan on training amarr soon, so the options are inquisitor, vengeance, malediction, hookbill, hawk, kestrel.

i have run some lvl 2's in the kestrel, with rockets. i didnt think much of the efficiency, so i stopped. the hawk kills things in 1-2 volleys, but seems painful with the rof on standard missiles... would swapping to assault missiles, or even rockets, be a better idea? the hookbill is essentially a faster hawk with less ehp and less skill requirements... so i'm guessing it will have the same issues the hawk has. i dont know anything about the vengeance, although it looks awesome. how about malediction? though im not sure how well an interceptor will do in missions.

the other option is using a heretic or flycatcher... strange use for em i know, but maybe they could plow through level 2's and wouldnt really cost much more than a t2 frig.

anyway, any thoughts would be great.

i have no gunnery skills atall, except WU5/AWU5. otherwise im assuming the answer would probably be 'dramiel/slicer'. anyway, cheers for reading.

Spr09
Posted - 2011.08.15 23:30:00 - [2]
 

move to safer space, running missions in a frigate doesnt work anyways. as for your skills, hop into a cruiser and then a BC and run lvl3s in highsec. you get your standings up and train your carebear skills to lvl5 so you can get some friends together and do lvl4-5 missions.

dram & slicer are pvp ships, you dont run missions in them. same with the dictors, there's just some things that are really dumb.

btw, dont cross train. you should specialize in a specific race/get into a t2 cruiser before going into hostile space.

dugdugdug
Posted - 2011.08.16 07:22:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: dugdugdug on 16/08/2011 07:32:00


Point me to the serpents agents I can run missions for in hisec... Oh wait...

I'm in a nullsec alliance, I can fly plenty of t2 ships and I have almost 10m sp in missiles.

There are no level 3 agents for me to use, I need to run lvl 2's. I am also fully aware of dictors/drams/slicers being pvp ships but they are fully capable of doing lvl 2 missions.

I want a frigate for it's fast align time and ability to gtfo when needed. My cruiser options are essentially crapacal, and I have no love for those. A bc is slow on the align and pointless to run 2's in, though I own multiple drakes.

I have ships ready for running 4's in, I just need to get to the right standing first.


So cheers for you're somewhat patronising answer, but I really am looking for the frigate, or maybe interdictor that will blitz level 2 missions fastest.

And yes, with caldari frig, cruiser and bs all at 5, with max tengu subsystems, I now have amarr ships on my short term skill plan.

Klymer
Posted - 2011.08.16 08:46:00 - [4]
 

Missiles are going to be slow no matter what ship you fly, bite the bullet and train projectiles.


Queue up the following before going to bed/work/school/whatever, then get some meta 4 "scout" guns and your golden.

Small Projectile Turret I
Rapid Firing I
Sharpshooter I
Motion Prediction I
Small Projectile Turret II
Rapid Firing II
Motion Prediction II
Gunnery III
Small Projectile Turret III
Motion Prediction III


Brotha Umad
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:05:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Klymer
Missiles are going to be slow no matter what ship you fly, bite the bullet and train projectiles.

Queue up the following before going to bed/work/school/whatever, then get some meta 4 "scout" guns and your golden.
Small Projectile Turret I
Rapid Firing I
Sharpshooter I
Motion Prediction I
Small Projectile Turret II
Rapid Firing II
Motion Prediction II
Gunnery III
Small Projectile Turret III
Motion Prediction III



Her golden what ? Seriously any missile boat with her missile SP would be faster at anything that any gunboat with those crap skills. Sharpshooter 1 srsly, what's the point ? 2 meters on AC's optimal ?
Gunnery takes alot of SP to shine, and a bare minimum to at least do the job.

OP there isn't much more options than what you pointed out. I would seriously reconsider the "crapacal", it is the best L2 runner imo and is still fast to align. It may not be a frigate, but with a 3M price tag you can afford to lose a few for the price of a fitted Hawk.

Plus, if you pay attention to local like I guess you do, only a fast frig should be able to catch you. And the pilot will then need alot of confidence in his backup to point an anti-frig boat.

My 2 cts.

dugdugdug
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:51:00 - [6]
 

Cheers brotha, you at least seem to appreciate my situation, so I appreciate the response! I suppose I could give the caracal a go, I dislike the ship a lot but you're not wrong about it being cheap. I'm assuming it should be fit with assault missile launchers for lvl 2's? I must say I've never used one for pve, but lvl 2 missions are packed with frigs.


Brotha Umad
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:26:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: dugdugdug
Cheers brotha, you at least seem to appreciate my situation, so I appreciate the response! I suppose I could give the caracal a go, I dislike the ship a lot but you're not wrong about it being cheap. I'm assuming it should be fit with assault missile launchers for lvl 2's? I must say I've never used one for pve, but lvl 2 missions are packed with frigs.




Yes, the standard AML 'cal is OK imho.

Lows
BCU II
DCU II

Mids
MWD II / named
LSE II x2
Hardeners / Invuls II x2

Highs
AML II / cheap named

Drones / Rigs
whatever

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2011.08.17 16:40:00 - [8]
 

Another vote for the Caracal. Though, in your situation, you may want to drop a LSE for a MWD and stick a prototype cloak into one of the high slots in order to help get past camps. It will still finish L2 missions easily.

You could also swap the DC for a second BCU. You really don't need a ton of tank for L2 missions. If you have 10 million SP in missiles and AWU 5 you likely have great support skills elsewhere too.

The Caracal has a huge speed advantage over a frigate for completing missions because of damage projection. A rack of assault launchers will hit out to about 40km which means less time traveling between targets. The two drones help a bit too.

I can't think of a frigate that could possibly compare to the Caracal in terms of mission completion.

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2011.08.17 17:53:00 - [9]
 

I also agree with the Caracal as a great missioning fit for what you're wanting to do. It's insanely cheap too, probably half of what a T2 frig would cost you if you loose it, so that's not something to be worried about. Also, you mentioned maxed Subsystem skills. You could probably use an AML fit Tengu too. I'll admit it's unconventional, but it'd probably mow through the missions since it can have ~2x the DPS of a Caracal.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.17 18:35:00 - [10]
 

Either Assault Frig or Caracal, but Caracal is much cheaper to lose (and also dirt-cheap to fit, even T1 or at most meta1 mods will work just fine for L2s, whatever's cheaper in the area).

Mabah Vin
Posted - 2011.08.20 21:48:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: dugdugdug
Cheers brotha, you at least seem to appreciate my situation, so I appreciate the response! I suppose I could give the caracal a go, I dislike the ship a lot but you're not wrong about it being cheap. I'm assuming it should be fit with assault missile launchers for lvl 2's? I must say I've never used one for pve, but lvl 2 missions are packed with frigs.




I use faction heavy missiles and they work just fine for level 2 and 3 in a Caracal.

As one poster mentioned, they are cheap, but can hit hard with the right skills and missiles.

If you want a frig, then a Vengeance (Punisher on steroids) or Wolf if you want to spend some ISK.

For grins and chuckles, use a Punisher with auto cannon.(Barrage ammo)

There are other good ships, just depends on how you fly and tactics.

Everyone has their own preference and style.

Your mileage may vary.

Jahned
Posted - 2011.08.21 07:38:00 - [12]
 

If you have good armour tank skills, i would suggest training for rockets and using the vengeance. It has a wtfneverdieslol tank, enough dps for level 2s, even 3s, and is a frig. But in all honesty, at the frig level, just invest time in gunnery skills and get an ishkur/enyo/retribution, especialy the retribution, has ridiculous dps and tank for a frig.

your choice Wink


 

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