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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.13 18:38:00 - [1]
 

Good Evening to the Sani Sabik Illuminati
And the rest of you.


Due to the controversial nature of the Arek'Jalaan and the doubts and misconceptions that has been accumulating with the passing weeks, The Sani Sabik group of Investors - Banking - together with our Scientific and Military concil had a meeting today to review our position regarding this Project. This meetings was called The Independent Commission of Investigations.
In our meeting, several aspects were highlighted, most striking the lack of Scientific literacy and pannel of skepticism within the project among others. Suffice to say, the cases discussed were enough to change our stance from Alligned to Neutral towards AJ for now.
Minutes of meeting will be prepared and circulate internally.

This said, of public importance: as many interesting questions came from this internal meeting, I would like to expand this knowledge by inviting capsuleers to join us on this Independent Commission of Investigation.
This is not apolitical, much to the contrary, I don't expect neither want capsuleers to pretend to throw away their lives of politics to embrace this concept, I want capsuleers who represents allignment with their factions to expose criticisms and intelligent political /scientific cases against Arek'Jalaan.
Let me put this clear: here is not a place for sheeps neither for personal ego dramas. It's a place for capsuleers to manifest Scientific and political literacy and express themselves objectively. So, if you are not equiped to even know what questions to ask, do not waste our time.
I do not require you to be science or political experts but I do require that you know how to present your arguments and ask questions, to know how to inquire about the flow of informations that are entering your head.

For this, I will privately listen to two capsuleers of each faction and at the end of the night I will compile a single document expressing the most literate and consise opinions/ concerns/ questions/ doubts/ arguments against the Arek'Jalaan Project.
If you wish to be heard, send me a mail with your request. Make sure to state which faction you are alligned with and a brief introduction of what do you wish to speak about. I'll select participants this way and summon you to one of my VR offices at my convinience tonight.

Based on this document we will afterwards seek to obtain an official AJ review and reply to it, so if you have something to say against this Project its a good chance to do so. I'm aimming to collect brilliant statements from capsuleers alligned with several factions and as knowledge is power and sacred to us, if you come with an intelligent case be sure you'll be given the proper consideration.
I'll receive capsuleers only tonight, during the course of a few hours time. When I collect information enough or if all factions were represented, I'll announce here the closing of these private VR meetings.

At the moment Sani Sabik declares itself Neutral to the Project, pending the results of this Independent Commission of Investigations and the final conclusions of this document.
Based on it, we will then declare a formal final stance and project a course of actions based on military, political and economical interventions if necessary.

That is all for now.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Guthris
Neotronix Defensive Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.13 19:08:00 - [2]
 

I would like to apply for a spot on this commission.
The project is faceing a hard time ahead of itself, the next few weeks will be critical.

Michael S. Guthris

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.08.13 19:56:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
The Sani Sabik group of Investors - Banking - together with our Scientific and Military concil had a meeting today to review our position regarding this Project. This meetings was called The Independent Commission of Investigations.


Are the Sani Sabik still allied with Sansha's Nation?

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.13 20:35:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Guthris
I would like to apply for a spot on this commission.
The project is faceing a hard time ahead of itself, the next few weeks will be critical.

Michael S. Guthris



I'll hear you soon, i'm quite overloaded atm.
We have 1 representant for gallente federation and one for Amarr maistream missing only so far. The meeting calls will be closed as soon as we fill these roles and start the meetings.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.13 21:22:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 13/08/2011 21:57:42
Meeting calls are closed, I have all representants needed. Meetings will be extended now for another hour or two, I ask the participants to not take more than 15- 20 minutes to make your point.

Main focus of the Issues will be given judging how many different representants of capsuleer factions have raised them:

Arrow Arek'Jallan lack of Scientific Literacy.

Arrow Arek'Jalaan disguised political pluralism.

Arrow Arek'Jalaan discredited Organization system.

Arrow Arek'Jalaan long term benefits or hindrances to New Eden.

These seems to be the focus of our meetings tonight. Any other side questions that aren't included on the above terms can be directed to me personally and if it has relevance to the subject, it will be considered.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:03:00 - [6]
 

Conclusions.


First, it was a very interesting time and we from Sani Sabik appreciate the outside inputs we received at the meeting. We took many of your points into consideration before defining our formal stance regarding AJ from now on.

After summarizing the main points we have reached the following conclusions:

Financial and Investors' review.


After browsing the alliances, corporations and individual members who are actively engaged on the Project, we have assessed that its great majority is composed of capsuleers without condition to present any influence towards the economical growth of New Eden.
Considering that AJ has no members of financial influence and part of Sani Sabik list of investors and business - with one exception - we have come to terms with the fact that members of the council will profit more by changing our stance from aligned to hostile towards the Project.
It intrigued us as why the Project seems to have attracted so few of New Eden's economical powers, we will conduct further studies on this.
May your wallets profit from our new stance.

Scientific Review.


The Sani Sabik Scientific review has concluded that AJ, as a long term Project is still on its first steps, yet it has taken a very dangerous precedence of allowing the populace to dictate its researches.
Most of its members lack what we call "Scientific literacy", meaning that parts of what science is about is being lost regarding what level of skepticism, or what level of inquiry do members bring to the Project to access the limitations that are well determined by a range of scientific experiments which should be part of the very start proposing of projects within the project before it becomes sanctioned.
Our Scientific council also concluded that, due to this lack of self critical knowledge, pure science has been compromised in the process.
As Sani Sabik is a body that promotes knowledge, we have therefore no reasons to support this work which we consider it has been conducted without the scientific professionalism expected of such joint venture.

Military Review.


After a careful assessment of AJ current situation, it's easy to conclude that they suffer immensely from lack of any sort of Military organization and Military power. Again, after a careful and meticulous assessment of the military capacity for organizations involved, it's clear to us that their bases are compromised and they are not capable of facing the amount of hostile groups they seem to be collecting along the passing weeks.
This said, Sani Sabik reviews of such corporations, alliances and entities shows us that our main investors, members of Amarr Empire, Caldari State, and faction allied friends among others are against AJ position and will be enforcing Military power against its expeditions and member corporations and alliances.
Sani Sabik will therefore, change our Military cooperative stance from Neutral to Hostile and add our council with support of Finances and professional Military assessment, empowering war decs and supporting our allied decisions against any AJ entity they see fit to act against.

Political Review.


Our Political council has pointed out the detriment that taking a neutral stance towards some of AJ alliances and members may disrupt our investment flow and long term faction ties. Therefore, to maintain our systems intact, we have decided to change our political stance from Neutral to hostile towards a few AJ member alliances and corporations based on our usual hostile assessment list.
This decision was also based due to the strange stance taken by AJ to so fast abide by Concord restrictions without even the minimum questioning done towards such allegations.
Sani Sabik council and members are henceforth allowed to use our Political and Diplomatic resources to proceed with aggressive stances against AJ entities that are of interest to our council to act.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:04:00 - [7]
 

Religious Review.


Our council of Elders have explicitly decided to vouch against our involvement on this Project with positive stances, including the previous collaboration at the takmahl developments.
After a long meeting assessing the possible results and implications of a self entitled body of scientific studies laying hands on sacred scriptures and artifacts to which they have no knowledge or interest to keep it true to its nature, we have decided that this project is detrimental both to Amarr Empire and Sani Sabik alike.
Therefore, the religious council has vouched to take a hostile stance against it.


Practical conclusions



Following our internal Protocols, our branch of Sani Sabik will make a formal notification to Dr. Tukoss regarding our change of stances from Neutral to Hostile and I shall be available for any Diplomatic exchanges with him for the coming 48 hours.

Next, also following our protocols, our Military Council will take lead of this issue and a series of wars will be declared against AJ entities which we found profitable or rather interesting. If all goes as planned with my time frame, our first set of wars will be declared immediately this coming week.
After the wars are declared by multiple organizations no diplomacy will be conducted. We are not interested to talk, we are interested to act.
Expeditions by official AJ fleets are to be monitored and if military intervention is advised by any of our investors or allied, it will be promptly attended to.


To our dear investors, friends and allied, I hope this result will be of your satisfaction.

To Arek'Jalaan members, it was a pleasure working with a few of you, my respects to Antiquarian and several of other AJ members who are there exclusively to embrace Science and Knowledge.
Rest assured that I know who you are and I will make sure no Sani Sabik actions are taken against any of you or your alliances individually, unless extremely necessary due to your associations.

To Dr. Tukoss, It was a pleasure to see your Project's birth with noble intentions but hell is indeed full of good intentions as some of our Amarrian elders would say.
You wish politics did not exist, but it does and it is a cause factor on New Eden capsuleer's day to day life. Take time to address and hear what each faction has to say about your developments. When you are accumulating enemies from both left and right, it's time to re-evaluate your own methods.
Do not forget that this project depends of mutual symbiosis between you and a large amount of capsuleers to offer long term benefit.

For that, I wish you good luck.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.14 11:38:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Arkady Sadik
Originally by: Revan Neferis
The Sani Sabik group of Investors - Banking - together with our Scientific and Military concil had a meeting today to review our position regarding this Project. This meetings was called The Independent Commission of Investigations.


Are the Sani Sabik still allied with Sansha's Nation?


I had to conclude the meetings yesterday before side tracking the thread that has now reached its purpose. Just to not let your question pending, yes, we do have several Sani Sabik investors who are members of the Sansha Nation, it is highly profitable to us to keep out stances positively alligned.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.08.14 18:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Victoria Stecker on 14/08/2011 18:04:25
Huh. Ok, so I can see the problems with the project, and why you wouldn't want to be involved - it's a cluster****. I don't necessarily see what it's doing that is actually a threat to you and therefor deserving of wardecs, etc. Could you clarify why you feel it necessary to actually try to tear it down rather than simply pointing and laughing like the rest of us? I guess it looks kinda like, all of your friends are against it, and therefor you are too.

Or did Arkady already guess?

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.14 18:08:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 14/08/2011 18:08:30
Originally by: Victoria Stecker
Edited by: Victoria Stecker on 14/08/2011 18:04:25
Huh. Ok, so I can see the problems with the project, and why you wouldn't want to be involved - it's a cluster****. I don't necessarily see what it's doing that is actually a threat to you and therefor deserving of wardecs, etc. Could you clarify why you feel it necessary to actually try to tear it down rather than simply pointing and laughing like the rest of us? I guess it looks kinda like, all of your friends are against it, and therefor you are too.

Or did Arkady already guess?


It more so has to do with her not getting her way recently, I believe. Its the typical, 'IT ISNT BEING DONE MY WAY, THEREFORE IM GOING TO STOMP MY FOOT!' crap. Along with that people are willing to show a spine and stand up to her and hold her and others accountable.

ohwell.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.14 18:45:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 14/08/2011 19:14:45
Originally by: Victoria Stecker

Huh. Ok, so I can see the problems with the project, and why you wouldn't want to be involved - it's a cluster****. I don't necessarily see what it's doing that is actually a threat to you and therefor deserving of wardecs, etc. Could you clarify why you feel it necessary to actually try to tear it down rather than simply pointing and laughing like the rest of us? I guess it looks kinda like, all of your friends are against it, and therefor you are too.

Or did Arkady already guess?


Actually is very simple matters of business and associations as I have already stated. The war decs will be of interest of some of my investors and of course there is nothing new here, this has been done since many years back to several other entities in Eve. Despite of what some insignificant capsuleers may want to point, Sani Sabik business always been and always will be treated as usual: What is more profitable to us at that deteminant moment.
And at this moment, it was decided that this is the best course of action to take.

There is absolutely no threat towards Sani Sabik, as already pointed in our reports above, members of the Project are far from any scale of relevance we would consider as a threat to any of ours business, wars or finances. Most they can do is to do pseudo battles inside their VRs which is mostly orchestrated towards our own goals and truth be told we are pleased to use these more susceptible minds to our advantage, they give us after all plenty of reasons to justify our hostile intentions. It would be a bit more complicated with we were dealing with intelligent, bright minds who would notice this by now and don't fall so easily into giving us what we want, which was, in this case, served to us in a silver plate.

About pointing and laughing, well it's not really how I'd approach. We do point and laugh at the fragile minds we encounter and how easy we manipulate them to our ways, but the Project itself has merit on the ideal of what it proposes to bring if it was taken by a firm scientific pulse and capsuleers of at least a little emotional control and scientic literacy to avoid falling into such simple psycological manipulations.

If you ignore these weak links between them, You can find a promising ideal behind the veil, it just needs to be taken into the right hands.
In resume to your question, no, it's nothing special really. It's day to day business to me like any other wars around providing us profit and whatever else our investors wants to have from it.
Exploitation of Ignorance can be a very useful tool, brutal but useful nonetheless and we know this since a long time and as long as the Project seems to be useful just to that regard, this is what we will do.

If it lifts itself to more noble heights than it currentely is, I'm sure we will consider a new approach too. Eve is ever evolving and adapting to the nature of circunstances and time and so are all of us. We will take the best of each occassion to our favour, always.

On that note let me state a good example with a typical answer from my side:

Originally by: Myxx
'IT ISNT BEING DONE MY WAY, THEREFORE IM GOING TO STOMP MY FOOT!'


Absolutely , you got me there. And I thought no one would be bright enough to figure it out, it's truly shocking.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



N'maro Makari
Posted - 2011.08.15 10:12:00 - [12]
 

By what right do you try to dictate to the project?

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.08.15 12:00:00 - [13]
 

Only death is unbiased because he accepts all equally.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.15 17:06:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: N'maro Makari
By what right do you try to dictate to the project?


Rephrase your question, it makes no sense to me.

Originally by: Killer Gandry
Only death is unbiased because he accepts all equally.


Some could argue that bringing the prices of cloning to the table, but I do find the quote very applicable to its core.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.08.16 01:45:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Morar Santee on 16/08/2011 01:53:16
Alright.

Having followed the IGS somewhat more closely than I usually would (which is to say: at all) over the last couple of weeks, I couldn't help but wonder who these mysterious supporters and investors mentioned time after time are. I'll be the first to admit it is a morbid curiosity, but: Who are the people following the mad barks of this self-appointed Thrice-Illicit Sovereign?

I would like to request representatives of Corporations who actually do receive war-decs due to Revan's intervention to post here and let us know who turns up at their doorstep, and whether there's anything among the rabble other than second-class would-be mercenaries. Given, of course, that something happens at all.

Please forgive me if this request seems to promote escalation at the risk of our esteemed nutcase Neferis losing face, but I'll have to admit that by now I'd be happy to see her follow through on something.

All this "[...] I'll retrive my nomination only if DR Tukoss asks me to. [...] I took the position for a reason and its my intention to keep and work on it by the codes established.", "I decided out of my free will and initiative to step down as lead of EC and withdraw from the committee altogether" (original post altered after the fact when it turned out that ->), "I have reconsidered the offered proposal to return to the EC as a consultant paid Advisor [...]", "Sani Sabik will [...] change our Military cooperative stance from Neutral to Hostile [...]" **** is getting old.

So yes, while agreeing with Myxx is disturbing considering recent ongoings, it's likely more than a strange coincidence that every single time there isn't enough attention for poor Revan, or she can't have her way, there's a random change of direction aimed at putting her back in the spotlight.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Morar Santee
poor Revan


Absolutely , you got me there. And I thought no one would be bright enough to figure it out, it's truly shocking.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:40:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Morar Santee
poor Revan


Absolutely , you got me there. And I thought no one would be bright enough to figure it out, it's truly shocking.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Oha. Don't challenge the Sovereign - or you, too, shall fall victim to her not-so-witty copy-pasta-sarcasm!

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Morar Santee
Oha. Don't challenge the Sovereign - or you, too, shall fall victim to her not-so-witty copy-pasta-sarcasm!


How can you say that, it's an auto-reply generator for challenging mind bending, life changing, death of Universes Ad Infinitum...... intelligent posts like yours and the other capsuleer I forgot the name it was last used.
You should be proud to see that you were selected by it!

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Morar Santee
Oha. Don't challenge the Sovereign - or you, too, shall fall victim to her not-so-witty copy-pasta-sarcasm!


How can you say that, it's an auto-reply generator for challenging mind bending, life changing, death of Universes Ad Infinitum...... intelligent posts like yours and the other capsuleer I forgot the name it was last used.
You should be proud to see that you were selected by it!

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Obviously. I'll have to admit that replying to it wasn't the smartest thing I've done in my time. Giving attention *****s attention is just playing to their cards, isn't it?

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.16 04:07:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/08/2011 04:08:00
Originally by: Morar Santee
Obviously. I'll have to admit that replying to it wasn't the smartest thing I've done in my time.


I believe you are right Mr, perhaps the smartest thing was replying a second time?

Originally by: Morar Santee
Giving attention *****s attention is just playing to their cards, isn't it?


Oh, don't worry, I don't mind giving you a bit attention, even to unknown names like yours. Despite of the rumors, I am indeed a very merciful capsuleer and I do attend my future fans and stalkers alike. They are both very dear to me in how I can use, I mean, enjoy debating very deep challenges with them.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Morar Santee
Posted - 2011.08.16 04:26:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/08/2011 04:08:00
Originally by: Morar Santee
Obviously. I'll have to admit that replying to it wasn't the smartest thing I've done in my time.


I believe you are right Mr, perhaps the smartest thing was replying a second time?

Originally by: Morar Santee
Giving attention *****s attention is just playing to their cards, isn't it?


Oh, don't worry, I don't mind giving you a bit attention, even to unknown names like yours. Despite of the rumors, I am indeed a very merciful capsuleer and I do attend my future fans and stalkers alike. They are both very dear to me in how I can use, I mean, enjoy debating very deep challenges with them.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik



Thank you for confirming my suspicion. A simple "yes" would have sufficed. As you pointed out so eloquently, communicating with you serves no other purpose than to give you the attention you work so hard at obtaining, so I will have to opt out here.

Of course I am still interested in hearing what becomes of all this. So if your Corporation does in fact receive war-decs, please post here and let us know the details.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.16 04:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Morar Santee
communicating with you serves no other purpose than to give you the attention you work so hard at obtaining


I told you, the auto reply can do wonders. It's not as hard as you might think but I do understand why you think so, considering... well your very challenging posts.
And you are right about your sentence, getting the attention of tick tock brains it's quite rare, my public tend to have a more elaborated net of neurons at their disposal, therefore I do consider you and others of your kind quite dearly as I have the opportunity to amuse myself in the process of exploring your capacities.

Obviously I do appreciate your very challenging, inovative intervention to this topic.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:46:00 - [23]
 

I do love a good chuckle at some point.

So from time to time I just look here to see how men and women alike get trampled after their feeble attempts to seem adequate.

Sits back in his chair and let's the seemingly clueless fleet by


Mirabi Tiane
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:21:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Morar Santee
I would like to request representatives of Corporations who actually do receive war-decs due to Revan's intervention to post here and let us know who turns up at their doorstep, and whether there's anything among the rabble other than second-class would-be mercenaries. Given, of course, that something happens at all.

I second this request.

Originally by: Morar Santee
So yes, while agreeing with Myxx is disturbing considering recent ongoings, it's likely more than a strange coincidence that every single time there isn't enough attention for poor Revan, or she can't have her way, there's a random change of direction aimed at putting her back in the spotlight.

Try as she might, Missy Neferis can't bury this truth with her posturing and verbal branlette.


 

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