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Grief Echerie
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:54:00 - [1]
 

Just listening to the EVE meetup courtesy of Eve Radio...

What about an organic alien race like the Shadow from Babylon 5?

Sorry if it's been mentioned...

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.13 17:05:00 - [2]
 

Jove
Sleepers
Rogue Drones
etc

MeBiatch
Posted - 2011.08.13 18:46:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Dub Step
Jove
Sleepers
Rogue Drones
etc


all expamples of things that are not alien...

1/10

next

Linoa Hiroshi
Amarr
The CounterSpace Society
Posted - 2011.08.13 20:16:00 - [4]
 

They're "stranger". I think more races can change the game badly. But I think you're proposition is interessant if you mean "more contact with aliens/strangers".
The few moments I mean snake drone or strange sleepers are my best moments inthe game (I'm pve missionner)and I will be happier if I meet more Jovians, for example.

chopper14
Posted - 2011.08.18 00:29:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dub Step
Jove
Sleepers
Rogue Drones
etc


You know I've watched just about every sci fi movie that's ever come out and I have a feeling it's somthing like this

Jove= the ancient ones=humans ones who didn't have as big of a hitch thrown into their evolution. probably ones who know what happened to the gate or may have even been responsible for it. Im guessing there was a catastrophe so the "ancient ones left their home galaxy for new Eden for good,abandoning their home and then collapsed the gate. In the comotion thousands of worlds were left on their own evolving into what we have today. The jove being the last root to our ancient selves thus their interest in our well being.

Sleepers= ancients version of Rogue drones. Probably the ones responsible for the catastrophe or if the catastrophe was caused by somthing like the ultimate evil (like on star control 3) then perhaps the lack of sentience made them unedible. Or maybe they are working properly but don't recognize the less advanced mutation that is humans.

Rogue drones= rip off of every robots go crazy and kill humanity book and movie ever made which is all just a rip off the terminator anyway.
Rogue drones are no different than cylons and aren't aliens and the sleepers aren't anymore aliens than the Mrnmhrm from star control 3 that while made by aliens were still just robots. If people would just use the 3 laws of robotics none of these movies would have to have happened. Thank god all the robots the military is making are all endowed with the 3 laws of robotics. Or we could face the same problem in RL somday:(

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.18 01:29:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 18/08/2011 01:31:01
Originally by: chopper14

Jove= the ancient ones=humans ones who didn't have as big of a hitch thrown into their evolution. probably ones who know what happened to the gate or may have even been responsible for it. Im guessing there was a catastrophe so the "ancient ones left their home galaxy for new Eden for good,abandoning their home and then collapsed the gate. In the comotion thousands of worlds were left on their own evolving into what we have today. The jove being the last root to our ancient selves thus their interest in our well being.



Heh... close. The Jove were the only [known] "colony" that didn't completely collapse when the EVE Gate closed. They exhibit isolationist tendencies, not really caring about what happens outside of their borders... with certain exceptions of course.
Joves are largely considered "strange" for various reasons... the big one being their appearence. Apparently they have played around with genetic engineering for the better part of 15 thousand years which, consequently, has taken away their ability to procreate, largely wiped out their more "humanistic tendencies," and given rise to a genetic disorder called "Jovian's Disease" which causes terminal mental degradation.

Originally by: chopper14
Sleepers= ancients version of Rogue drones. Probably the ones responsible for the catastrophe or if the catastrophe was caused by somthing like the ultimate evil (like on star control 3) then perhaps the lack of sentience made them unedible. Or maybe they are working properly but don't recognize the less advanced mutation that is humans.


Your version could be it... but honestly, no one knows. From what can be gathered by various people who live in wormholes; Sleepers are some defense mechanism from some long dead civilization. What this civilization is, again, no one knows. But there appears to have been some kind of biological catastrophe that required quarantine in some of the complexes.

Originally by: chopper14

Rogue drones= rip off of every robots go crazy and kill humanity book and movie ever made which is all just a rip off the terminator anyway.
Rogue drones are no different than cylons and aren't aliens and the sleepers aren't anymore aliens than the Mrnmhrm from star control 3 that while made by aliens were still just robots. If people would just use the 3 laws of robotics none of these movies would have to have happened. Thank god all the robots the military is making are all endowed with the 3 laws of robotics. Or we could face the same problem in RL somday:(



Yeah... Rogue Drones are nothing new in science fiction. Though... even Isaac Asimov would disagree that the "3 Laws" are infallible. Circumstances do come up that would put the rules in conflict with one another... especially in EVE as Capsuleers are a particularly amoral bunch lore-wise.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.18 03:03:00 - [7]
 

Wasn't the while point of the asimov robot series to show that thethree
Laws are fallible once robots gain the ability to reason?
And why no robots were allowed in the foundation times??
Anyway it's been a while since I've read them but I sure remember coming away with the opposite feeling about the infallibility of the 3 laws


Back on topic. I think more aliens should come with future expansions or with dust. The eve universe is rich and fertile. Wait and it shall bear fruit.

Saul Dhampir
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.08.19 00:37:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Saul Dhampir on 19/08/2011 00:41:52

One of the nice things about the back story of EvE is the Humans only nature of it. With only humans, it is the differing politics, nation states and groups, alliances and corporations the make the sides, and it is a very rich universe because of that great depth of sides. As soon as you add an 'alien' element I think you run the risk of EvE diminishing down to an us vs them game. As all of those fractions are human, these newcomers are something else. There are crap loads of those games out there.

chopper14
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:51:00 - [9]
 

Obsidian

How about the organic aliens are some kind of aggressive, Man sized, silicon based, sentient alien ant, that has somehow fused with an equaly agressive semi sentient crystaline based fungus.  

Think of that picture in national geographic where that dead ant has fungus growing out of it's head.  
Only now imagine they were actually evolved over a melinia or via a lab experiment into one sentient  aggresive antlike creature with fungal attributes. 

Let's say they can live in both freezing and molten temperatures,  and can colonize frozen asteroids, or can colonize deep into the crust near the molten mantle of a planets interior. 
All of that is without a single tool.  

Unfortunately they have tools lots of tools, and big powerful space ships and technology far beyond our own.

Perhaps this parasitic race used to spread from planet to planet by hitching a ride on other aliens spaceships.   
slowly spreading from plannet to planet,  but somwhere down the line they developed spaceships of their own becoming for lack of a better phrase, a space born disease.  

Jumping a massive pod ship into a system and launching hundreds of of smaller ones and thousands of spore ships in a overwhelming initial attack.  
Unless the pod ship is destroyed before launching it's deadly spores it is usually too late.  

The obsidian starts by harvesting most of the indigenous populations as incubators for their reproduction cycles and food.   (Think Aliens methodology,  not Skyline)
After a planet or structure has been stripped of all animal life,  the mother pod ship moves into position and strip mines The plannets to the point of collapse.  
leaving behind only the shattered remains of what used to be beautiful thriving worlds.

Fortunately for us the Jove have been fighting off this plague, and humans have never even been aware of it's 
Existence.  
Until I just now spoiled it for everyone.  

Unfortunately.  In their quest for perfection the Jove have ruined their reproductive organs and their only method of reproducing themselves, cloning is failing because; As anyone who has watched multiplicity knows...a copy of a copy of a copy only tends to get less and less accurate.

(An idea for a proper introduction to the Obsidian.)

Jita,  near the main trade station.

A giant unstable WH the size of a Small moon appears.  Plainly visible for anyone around that station and area to see.

You can warp to it and clicking information says the normal class 6 warning.  

You click jump and it works!  But; 
Instead of a normal system you find yourself face to face with what appeares to be a  Glowing blackish bluish  moon.  
The blue light would pulse every here, and there. 
The entry point would look like a normal sized WH that Would need to be book marked.  
Upon panning the camera, a planet becomes visible, a shattered lava world with huge cracks, and molten effects, surrounded by space debris.  
Clicking on it's information will give you the typical life bearing world description.

When you click on the giant glowing moon it gives you the option to warp to it and the option to hail it.
If you hail it, it will give you a message that it is not responding and that perhaps the energy field it is encased in is preventing it from doing so. 
It also notes the pulsing and that it is doing it more frequently.

If you warp to it, it fills up about 60% of the visible space and becomes concave seeming to encompass the player giving you the fish in a fishbowl feeling the WH are known for. 
The plannet doesn't change in appearance.  Still filling about 25% of the available space.

This would be set up this way, and the messages would be designed to make it look like this could very possibly be some kind of colony ship trying to escape a dying world. 
The Messages should all make the player believe that the giant pod ship may be trapped in the pulsating blue energy.

2 hours into it's arrival,  concord suddenly warns people to stay away from the WH and not to enter it under any circumstances.  
explaining that the warning comes strait from the jove!
This too will be posted in local when you Jump in.

This should draw a crowd.  

Suddenly concord issues the order to evacuate the system and warns of a possible invasion.  The gates in warn you that there is an evacuation taking place and it is inadvisable to proceed.

The pulses will have become much more frequent, and the flashing effect will be very noticeable as well as the growing intensity of the light around the "glowing moon" ship which is slowly going from bluish to a more silvery appearance.

I'm counting on human curiosity and rebellious nature to fuel a growing crowd.

Continued next post---->





chopper14
Posted - 2011.08.20 18:54:00 - [10]
 

Obsidian the next post

This would all be setup so that after about 16 hours the pulsing would have become so intense that the alien ships hull would appear to be made out of the same stuff as the WH and it would be phasing in and out of existence slowly at first and then so fast that it appears out of phase.

This would all culminate at peak time when the servers are most loaded with ...witnesses?

Suddenly the ship would emanate a huge energy wave which would instantly vaporize any ships inside the WH. But not pod them.  
Out side, the WH would suddenly turn blindingly bright for about a split second, as the enormous energy wave Explodes into jita, vaporizing any ships around that planet,  again not poding them unless they ere just in their pods to begin with. 

The blast wave would put any POS around that plannets moons into rienfored mode and completley incapacitate all external modules.  
More noticeably the jita station and any other stations around that plannet would now have new graphics showing massive damage caused by the energy wave.  

The reason for this is to drive home the point that all of these things were almost instantly destroyed.

As soon as the light from the blast wave dies.  About how long it takes for everyone to enter their pods; 
The alien ship inside the WH appears to be growing more concave than ever, and is starting to encompass the ships inside and is even starting to block out the molten planet. 

Out side the WH is transforming into the giant alien ship.  

Suddenly.  In Jita,
A rip in the sky opens, and a huge Jove fleet, super capital capitals and all appears,
firing instantly before they are even out of the rift in space;
Firing what appears to be shimmering wh's into the giant WH.  
A massive Concord fleet Warps in about 2 seconds later and unleashes hell too. 

Inside the shimmering WH torpedoes emanate along with whatever other weapons, lasers, missiles, etc from the WH entry point, hitting the center of the giant ship  Which has almost completely encompassed those inside.
About 20 seconds later,  the giant alien pod is obliterated.  

On the inside it looks like you are inside an inferno.

On the outside, the WH takes on the appearance of a molten fiery ball bubbling and frothing before returning back to it's original WH appearance.

Inside, the ship is destroyed leaving stars and a system full of destroyed worthless worlds with no resources of anykind to be found.  Which can now be explored.

The Jove open another rift, and enter the dead system.  
They warp to the sun and appear as warp-able in your overview.  Their Giant super capital, capital ships form up and together create what appears to be a small black hole.

They then give a speech about the sadness they feel for the inhabitants of this now dead system and the shame they feel for having to destroy it's remains.  
They explain that the obsidian are just too dangerous to allow even the remote possibility that any if them may still be left in the system.  
They fire a weird beam at the black hole and it slowly warps towards the star.
They explain that they will be collapsing the artificial WH in 15 minutes, and that the system will be destroyed in 20 minutes.
They ask that those who do not wish to share it's fate leave the system.

The exit becomes warp-able on your overview.

Those who choose to stay get to see a beautiful scene of the star being Anihalated, visible from anywhere in the system.  
If they are around a planet they will get to see it be torn apart before the shockwave hits them.
It should be beautiful.

Staying True to Jove History they are just gone again without any further explanation.

After what concord is calling the incident. 
Everything goes back to business as usual.  
New ships will be bought to replace the ones lost.  
POS owners can repair their modules and refuel their strontium bays. 
And the hub stations can be repaired.

For many players it will just be some emersion Thingy that happened while they were tending to more important things.  
But for those who wittiness the obsidian event, life in new Eden will never be the same.



The best part is that while it not only gives people the chance to interact with aliens; 
It's a one shot deal that doesn't have to be explained or repeated to have a everlasting effect.

Like the mystery star that appeared for a couple months and then just disappeared,  this to would just fade into the back ground.

P.S.  Just a hunch.  That mystery star is probably light from the collapse of the star in the system where The other end of the eve gate was;
 Just now reaching new Eden.  
All the WH turning new Eden into Swiss cheese, is probably a side effect.
And CCP probably got the idea to make the WH look like they do after Hilmar accidentally dropped his fushigi on his head.

;)

chopper14
Posted - 2011.08.20 19:05:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Wasn't the while point of the asimov robot series to show that thethree
Laws are fallible once robots gain the ability to reason?
And why no robots were allowed in the foundation times??
Anyway it's been a while since I've read them but I sure remember coming away with the opposite feeling about the infallibility of the 3 laws


I don't know. When I read it back in 7th grade in 93. It seemed to show how they would come into conflict with reality but always ended up obseving them in some degree. Like the robot constructor that wouldn't let the man do what he wanted because he was endangering himself even though it was killing him by keeping him confined to a building with dwindling air supply. Or where they enslaved humanity to keep humanity from destroying itself. But like I said 93. There is allot of fog between then and now so mayby I'm missing the one where they tried to make man extinct. I remember they were kind of boring but thanks now I have to re read them just so I can feel smart again. ;(

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.08.22 20:19:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: chopper14
Obsidian........(The Story).........


Excellent, very entertaining.

With a few little changes, you could turn it into a personal story instead of a 3rd person view and place that in the proper sub forum as well as enter it into the creative writing contest that's happening right now.


chopper14
Posted - 2011.08.23 01:26:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Originally by: chopper14
Obsidian........(The Story).........


Excellent, very entertaining.

With a few little changes, you could turn it into a personal story instead of a 3rd person view and place that in the proper sub forum as well as enter it into the creative writing contest that's happening right now.




ShockedLOL. Not the reaction I was Expecting at all.
Well thanks, Thats very kind of you.
Still, I think I'll leave that to the Pro's.


 

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