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Jeffery Labowski
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:09:00 - [1]
 

After having a learning experience.. we are bumping up corp security with all our members and recruits... What programs or websites do you guys use to check recruits and monitor them... Sorry for the noob question, but i think this is the correct section for those

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:39:00 - [2]
 

Personally? I don't.

I'll check a limited API just to check they're not a lol-alt .. but beyond that, I use human-on-human determinations.

You can tell more about a recruit in a few conversations, than you can with every aspect of access to their account.

A lengthy probation time is usually the easiest deterrent from the usual corp theft that goes on, which is usually of a very low level. Generally not giving people access to thing they don't need, is another. Your own understanding of game mechanics comes into this, too.

Others may have specialized / macro based tools to look over API information, but you can tell most all of what you will need to know from plugging the details into EveMON.

There is a trend for asking people for their FULL API as apposed to the LIMITED API. I mostly think these people are paranoid, and deluding themselves over the effectiveness of doing so.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:43:00 - [3]
 

I think with a full API EVE HQ will report your undergarment choice and size, but I don't think it is useful for determining anything that doesn't come directly from the API (example: it valued my missiles at over 1 million ISK each for some strange reason).

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.08.12 23:00:00 - [4]
 

Gave someone access to the corp hangars, found them empty, huh?

Just so you know, lots of people find requests for an API key moderatly offensive, and some people might look at your corps battleclinic history, and figure that you should be begging them to join on bended knee, not interrogating them. Could affect recruitment.

Jeffery Labowski
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:13:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sir Substance
Gave someone access to the corp hangars, found them empty, huh?

Just so you know, lots of people find requests for an API key moderatly offensive, and some people might look at your corps battleclinic history, and figure that you should be begging them to join on bended knee, not interrogating them. Could affect recruitment.


No. not exacntly... I can understand your view about it being offensive, but thats why i am asking what other people do. just trying to learn and get pointed in the right direction

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:18:00 - [6]
 

My old corp used to require limited API and a screenshot of last 50 player donations received and sent.

That was the minor part to filter outright stupid spies. We didn't want to require full API simply because it wouldn't really mean anything for dedicated spies.

The rest was all based on a lengthy interview and having the recruit chat with us a bit. This was the dealmaker/breaker.

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.08.13 04:25:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Sir Substance on 13/08/2011 04:27:27
Edited by: Sir Substance on 13/08/2011 04:26:29
Originally by: Jeffery Labowski

No. not exacntly... I can understand your view about it being offensive, but thats why i am asking what other people do. just trying to learn and get pointed in the right direction


API requests are a thing when you are in a) a position of power over your applicant and b) have lots to lose.

Everyone wants to join the big nullsec alliances, and they can't comprehensibly interview every applicant. So they ask for API keys.

Your corp, honestly, isn't that desirable, and can't have that many assets unless someone bankrolled it with plex for some reason. I'm going to be honest with you here.

You have a grand total of 16 members, which means you don't have a good timezone presence, you've lost 13 ships in the past 6 weeks but killed none, which means you don't promise fun PvP, and are bad at it. Your CEO is less then three months old and founded the corp on his second day, which means hes either a newbie or an alt, so you don't have strong leadership, and your website is hosted by guildlaunch, a free hosting website that advertises to players of standard fantasy MMO's, which reflects badly on you.

All in all, you look no different to any of the thousands of standard empire corps that are created and deleted every day. You offer almost nothing, but are desperate for members. You need your applicants, they don't need you. If you say "we require your API key", people will simply move on to the next corp which offers exactly the same as yours, aka nothing, but doesn't want to pry into their account first.

The first step to corp building is gathering a core group of players, and that means talking to people. You can't offer people money, or space, or protection, or even a reputation. But you can offer them comradeship. You have 16 members, you can't possibly be getting more then two applications a week on average (corp is about 8 weeks old, 16 members = two apps a week). You can afford to chat to people. Set up a teamspeak server, or just use eve voice. Speak to applicants, don't process them.

That's your situation, and that's my advice. Sorry if it hurts.

Jeffery Labowski
Posted - 2011.08.13 04:31:00 - [8]
 

Cant disagree with anything anyone has said... Thanks for taking the time to give us some direction...



ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.08.13 11:07:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
I think with a full API EVE HQ will report your undergarment choice and size, but I don't think it is useful for determining anything that doesn't come directly from the API (example: it valued my missiles at over 1 million ISK each for some strange reason).



It's arguable that this isn't related to the API, but the full API allows the recruiter to read your Eve mail. Just something to keep in mind.

ISD IonCharge

Posted - 2011.08.13 23:05:00 - [10]
 

One thing I will add here, which is very frequently overlooked yet can be quite important:
When you ask someone for your API key, you also potentially are providing them with information about yourself.
Specifically, on their API log page, they can view any IP addresses from which their API keys are accessed (for security reasons) - so if you just want a quick check of someone's alts, you may be better off using a 3rd party website such as eve-board to do so, rather than viewing them from your own computer.
That only applies, of course, only if you're paranoid about strangers having your IP address in the first place.

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.14 01:44:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: ISD IonCharge
One thing I will add here, which is very frequently overlooked yet can be quite important:
When you ask someone for your API key, you also potentially are providing them with information about yourself.
Specifically, on their API log page, they can view any IP addresses from which their API keys are accessed (for security reasons) - so if you just want a quick check of someone's alts, you may be better off using a 3rd party website such as eve-board to do so, rather than viewing them from your own computer.
That only applies, of course, only if you're paranoid about strangers having your IP address in the first place.


So that's what Mazzilliu was after.


 

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