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Iradlac Oreguard
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:05:00 - [1]
 

I lost a sum of 1.5 billion.

Invested 50mi, doubled it. Pulled out reinvested 150mil, it doubled then I pulled out. Gaining trust I feel for the trap and invested a total of 1.5bil. It was just about to break the 2bil marker and they caved today.

I am a Phaser Victim.

Anyone else have the guts to admit it? LOL


Thatsbecause
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:14:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Iradlac Oreguard

Anyone else have the guts to admit it?


I think instead of guts, you'll find a lot of people have brains, so they never invested in the first place.

Vandy ColdStone
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:20:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Vandy ColdStone on 12/08/2011 22:22:24
LOLOL

Iradlac Oreguard
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:22:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Thatsbecause
Originally by: Iradlac Oreguard

Anyone else have the guts to admit it?


I think instead of guts, you'll find a lot of people have brains, so they never invested in the first place.



Guess I don't have brains. LOL. Least it wasn't an unaffordable loss.

Thatsbecause
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:23:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Thatsbecause on 12/08/2011 22:25:18
Originally by: Vandy ColdStone / Iradlac Oreguard
Edited by: Vandy ColdStone on 12/08/2011 22:20:09
Originally by: Thatsbecause
Originally by: Iradlac Oreguard

Anyone else have the guts to admit it?


I think instead of guts, you'll find a lot of people have brains, so they never invested in the first place.



I'd say 8,000 people is a decent chunk.


Phaser's website says there was 3.3k active accounts when he dropped the axe on them.

Vandy ColdStone
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:25:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Thatsbecause
Originally by: Vandy ColdStone
Edited by: Vandy ColdStone on 12/08/2011 22:20:09
Originally by: Thatsbecause
Originally by: Iradlac Oreguard

Anyone else have the guts to admit it?


I think instead of guts, you'll find a lot of people have brains, so they never invested in the first place.



I'd say 8,000 people is a decent chunk.


Phaser's website says there was 3.3k active accounts when he dropped the axe on them.


This is where the 8k came from... http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/

Thatsbecause
Posted - 2011.08.12 22:34:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vandy ColdStone

This is where the 8k came from... http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/


Not sure where that number comes from:
http://www.phaserinc.com/index1.html

When they say 8000 have created an account they must mean that if someone creates an account saying they're creating it on the behalf of a corporation, they're counting it as everyone in those corps creates an account.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.08.13 05:18:00 - [8]
 

Never.

Trust.

Anyone.


Why do people not understand this? Mad

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.08.13 06:52:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Omara Otawan on 13/08/2011 06:52:15
Originally by: Iradlac Oreguard
I lost a sum of 1.5 billion.



You only lost 1.3 billion and not 1.5 billion, and thats not a big deal. Thats like a decently fit faction cruiser you could lose in 20 seconds pvping.

Wedding Peach
Posted - 2011.08.13 08:09:00 - [10]
 

I lost one half of no isk.

Honestly, how do you fall for traps like this? Did you invest your brain as well?

Moe Cizlak
Posted - 2011.08.13 12:39:00 - [11]
 

i often read things being spammed in local everywhere i go and think to myself "hm this sounds like a good idea"

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2011.08.13 13:03:00 - [12]
 

I heard CCP devs were the ones with 30+Billion isk losses, which was to be used to finance paying to fix Hybrids








Laughing

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.08.13 15:54:00 - [13]
 

The largest loss was 34.254 billion ISK:

Linkage

This, however, might also be including interest so the actual loss from this person is likely not that big.

Comodore John
Gallente
Trixi IFI
Posted - 2011.08.13 15:59:00 - [14]
 

I lost 50m, corpy 2b.

Nothing major

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:27:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Xenuria on 13/08/2011 16:27:09
Just think if you all had listened to me you never would have lost anything to these obvious scammers.

Of course nobody ever listens to me...


/Told you so

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.13 17:20:00 - [16]
 

Phaser is trusted/respected service. Would recommend!

PS: Great job guys-this is what eve is all about. As CSM I 100% support your actions and right to fleece the masses. D3

Dolemite2K
Gallente
GONE RETARD BACK LATER
Posted - 2011.08.13 17:43:00 - [17]
 

At what point when seeing their spambot fly autopilot circles around empire spamming local did you think to your self "this looks legit"?


Dom Florence
Posted - 2011.08.13 18:45:00 - [18]
 

Lol you guys MUST be bored. I pulled out in time to make 4bil off of them. It was just a gamble and who was willing to take the chance. So there was SOME legitimacy to the program. LOLOL

Bad timing win.

Dracoliche
Stiff Pickle Collection Agency
Posted - 2011.08.13 18:51:00 - [19]
 

Has this NOT been done over and over again?
Doesn't take Xenu to figure this one out.

People get spoiled with no need to grind for skills.
Either pay for plex, or work for your cash.

Phaser worked for their cash. +1

Simon Delivers
Posted - 2011.08.13 21:24:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Dracoliche
Has this NOT been done over and over again?
Doesn't take Xenu to figure this one out.

People get spoiled with no need to grind for skills.
Either pay for plex, or work for your cash.

Phaser worked for their cash. +1


Indeed they did a great job.

Alexei Orlov
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.14 03:08:00 - [21]
 

Not much different from hitting the craps table. Sooner or later it all goes. Question is did you get out early, just in time or too late?
Gambling with ISK really isn't any different than gambling ships in PVP, you step up to the table with the thought that everything you risk is gone already and then anything you get back is just a bonus.
But then, I suppose there might be investments out there that don't ever burn their investors. Chances are we'll never hear about them, though.

fgft Athonille
Posted - 2011.08.14 04:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Darius III
Phaser is trusted/respected service. Would recommend!

PS: Great job guys-this is what eve is all about. As CSM I 100% support your actions and right to fleece the masses. D3


not csm bro

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2011.08.14 04:59:00 - [23]
 

I would have started asking CIHYS to the people who are raging over this, there were a couple when I was freightering around the last few days

but than, they probably don't have any stuff anymore Laughing

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2011.08.14 07:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vandy ColdStone
This is where the 8k came from... http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/

Cheers for the correction. I had misread the account list as 4.2k personal accounts and 3.8k personal, when in fact the 4.2k was total. I've corrected the number in the post.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2011.08.14 11:46:00 - [25]
 

Protip for the slow-thinkers:

5% weekly return on anything, anywhere, anytime, is a scam.


Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.08.14 13:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Darius III
Phaser is trusted/respected service. Would recommend!

PS: Great job guys-this is what eve is all about. As CSM I 100% support your actions and right to fleece the masses. D3


Your not CSM bro. Nice try though.

Dracoliche
Stiff Pickle Collection Agency
Posted - 2011.08.14 19:56:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Darius III
I am CSM troll.


(You're/You are) not CSM bro.


Oh, okay. So you're both wrong.

Versuvius Marii
Posted - 2011.08.14 22:09:00 - [28]
 

If losing all this isk isn't a big issue, you may as well donate all your isk to me. It'll go to a good cause - ME. Because hey, you don't mind wasting the isk amirite?

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.15 14:50:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dracoliche
Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Darius III
I am CSM troll.


(You're/You are) not CSM bro.


Oh, okay. So you're both wrong.


Nope Darius is a CSM substitute, basically if Mittani catches something nasty from all the love ins with CCP or Trebor stands in front of Darius on a railway platform then he becomes legit.
at the moment he's like third choice runner for the Faroe Islands Paralympic team.Wink

Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.08.15 17:57:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Never. Trust. Anyone. Why do people not understand this?


While I would agree Phaser Inc. should not have been trusted (though one might participate on a caluclated-risk basis hoping to get out before the hammer fell), I think it is just as foolish to never trust anyone.

For many players, trusting others enhances enjoyment in playing the game. Imagine if nobody joined in a fleet, not trusting a corp mate not to gank him; if no CEO trusted anyone to be a Director, taking on himself instead all responsibilities related to running a corp; if no courier would take a contract without first verifying the collateral was equal to or less than the value of the cargo, and if nobody would give a courier contract without ensuring the collateral was equal to or more than that value; if nobody would loan a ship to a mate so their gang could take on the target; etc.

In making a decision to trust, I don't think we can go by rules-of-thumb like "trust nobody." Rather, we need to weigh the relationships involved, the risks, and the potential gains. I personally did not invest in Phaser Inc. or anything like it; I personally consider foolish those who counted on Phaser Inc. being a legitimate business based on profits from investments; yet at the same time I do not consider foolish those who thought to get a quick profit and get out while Phaser Inc. was still building good recommendations and before they scampered off with the loot--people who took a gamble on playing the scam.

If I were to provide an alternative to "Never. Trust. Anyone." it would be more like "Don't trust what you can't afford to lose."

Jolo


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