open All Channels
seplocked Warfare & Tactics
blankseplocked Faction Warfare Round Table Summit - Pod Goo Podcast
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2 3

Author Topic

Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration
Posted - 2011.08.12 19:27:00 - [1]
 

The Pod Goo Podcast is ramping up for another EVE Round Table debate, this time we take on Faction Warfare. If you missed the highly acclaimed Wormhole Summit, just navigate your browser to www.podgoo.com and download Episodes 20 and 21.

What we are looking for is some Faction Warfare CEO's/Directors to assemble on our virtual round-table on skype and discuss this section of the game. Roleplaying corporations are more than invited. Not only will the Pod Goo listeners benefit from hearing the experts talk about Faction Warfare, but the participants can obviously use this as a recruiting tool and bully pulpit to discuss changes you feel necessary for the improvement of this area of the game.

If you are interested in having your corporation represented, please contact myself at ender(at)podgoo.com or my co-host Lorkin Desal at lorkin(at)podgoo.com. You can also, contact us in game or through this thread.

Also, just like the Wormhole Summit, we would like to entertain questions from the EVE Player base to submit to the Faction Warfare luminaries that will attend this show.

Thanks, and we look forward to recording what we think will be one of the more interesting podcasts covering EVE Online.



Mystical Might
Amarr
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.13 14:18:00 - [2]
 

When is the event?

Vordak Kallager
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:15:00 - [3]
 

You should try getting Militia leaders from all four Factions.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.14 05:37:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Vordak Kallager
You should try getting Militia leaders from all four Factions.


Militias dont have leaders...

Vordak Kallager
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.08.14 07:09:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Vordak Kallager
You should try getting Militia leaders from all four Factions.


Militias dont have leaders...


Fleet Commanders, CEOs of the Major Corps, etc.

Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.14 08:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vordak Kallager
Fleet Commanders, CEOs of the Major Corps, etc.

Goddess NO! Majority of FC's have no inkling when it comes to the broken bits (ie. plexing), they are just in it for the pew and CEO's have a good understanding of the corp(s) but not necessarily of anything else.

You'd ideally want people who have been through all the aspects, like:
Caldari - Damar Rocarion (actually quite reasonable most of the time Wink).
Minmatar - Sasawong (my persoanl scapegoat for everything that goes wrong for me Laughing), alternately someone from CTRL-Q, HUANG or AUTOZ.
Gallente - whomever fits the bill, imagine the Q-Cats are 'into it' but no clue really.
Amarr - Any 'older' member from PIE, 1PG, KoTMC, ARETR, 0000, etc. (we have a lot Plexers-become-Killers Smile)

In short: You don't want "leaders" or CEO's but the people to whom the aforementioned turn when they need advise.

Syekuda
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.14 19:23:00 - [7]
 

Ender, if you really want to help faction warfare, then talk to the newb FW corps or in general militia that are not in corp. Some of those people need guidance. Hell lots of those don't know the basics of pvp or coms. This will help a lot.

This type of thing as been tried in Caldari and it didn't go through. But I admit I do not know every single details of your MO and your goals but if you try to gather everyone under 1 roof and "OBEY MY COMMAND *****" kind of thing, it won't work...trust me.

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.14 19:55:00 - [8]
 

Ender, I'm going to give a brief breakdown of some of the larger problems in Faction Warfare/Militia. At least one of these problems is one that plagues the game as a whole (in my opinion).

1. Plexing - The only real purpose of plexing in Militias is to get fights that aren't about getting overwhelmed and outshipped. Go to a medium plex and your opponent can only bring T1 cruisers and down. Nice for "fair fights", but otherwise there is no point in plexing.
2. System Control - Serves absolutely no purpose. Plexing will eventually shift the control of a system from one side to the other. But, doing so gives no benefit to the winner or penalties to the loser.
3. At War - The only thing this impacts is who/what you can shoot without negative impacts from the game (sec status, CONCORD, gate/station guns). The Gallente are at war with the Caldari. Does that stop me from docking in an FDU station? Does it stop Gallente from docking in StPro stations? How much sense does it make for a station to say "You are our enemy. We are at war with you. Here's your docking clearance, enjoy your stay."?
4. Neutral Logi and Boosts - The myriad "known" issues aside, in FW the only way to get aggro from a neutral logi is to be aggressed to the target of the neutral reps. If you have a fleet with members of multiple corporations, only certain people may be able to engage the neutral logis. Neutral repping should flag you for the entire militia. As for boosts, it would be nice for them to implement a way to deny you boosts unless the booster was also in your militia. However, that would probably cause too much rage and be too difficult to implement.

I don't plex much. I'm in it mostly for the pewpew. But still, Faction Warfare seems to have no point or purpose other than to give people a reason to shoot at each other. And, not even a very good reason, based on the amount of effort that CCP has put into Faction Warfare.

And now I've given you a few topics to help start the discussion. Yay for me!

Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration
Posted - 2011.08.14 22:33:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Mystical Might
When is the event?

We are planning to record in mid September.

I would not do this round table without all four factions being present... That just seems wrong.

Like the wormhole summit, I aim for his being a high level discussion that will draw out concerns that the ceos have that explains why they do things the way they do them.

Commander Razama
Gallente
Fangs Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.08.14 23:33:00 - [10]
 

Hello,

Yes, I am the CEO of my gallente Faction war corporation Fangs of the Federation I would like to attend, just Eve mail me in game and I will see what i can do. I have been in and out of Faction War for Over 3 years, i do not claim to be the best at anything but i do know my fair share of Faction war. I have contacted the other Major CEO's of both Gallente and Caldari milita and sent them a link to this thread to see if they might want to participate.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.08.15 03:19:00 - [11]
 

I would suggest some of the following from the Amarr militia who plex

Lost Incognito
Condor Amarr

Deerin
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.15 06:55:00 - [12]
 

Getting one dedicated plexing leader from each side should do the trick.

Caldari -> Damar Rocarion
Gallente -> Val Erian
Minmatar -> Sasawong
Amarr -> Honestly Amarr do not really have a Sasa equivalent that I know of. According to eve api info Veshta Yoshida seems like the top amarrian plexer

...and good luck getting Damar and Val in the same environment without them going on at each other.

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2011.08.15 07:19:00 - [13]
 

TBH the various militia heads going at it will be even better than any real discussion.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.08.15 08:24:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Deerin
...Amarr -> Honestly Amarr do not really have a Sasa equivalent that I know of....

I (yes, it is I, good old Auntie Vesh) was ahead of Sasa and everyone else in VP/day and VP-total until I got sick of it and went paramilitary (read: Pew!Pew!) instead.
Sasa just has a higher tolerance for boredom I guess Smile

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.15 11:11:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: X Gallentius on 16/08/2011 05:28:14
Things that need fixing:
#1. Remote Reps on FW entities that are below -5.0 and taking a Faction HIT.

#2. Fix for Plexing in order for control of systems. Better mechanic make it mean something to control systems. OR give out good chunk of Faction LP for taking Offense or Defense Plexes.

#3. FW alliances. There ought to be a way to get the role play alliances into FW.

#4. Minnies and Gallente Should show up with same purple tags. Amarr and Caldari should also show up purple to each other.

#5. Pirate faction ships are treated as T1 ships for plex entrance requirements. They should be treated as T2 ships since in all cases they are better than their T2 equivalents. This flaw limits the ability of poor (read: newer) players from having good fights.


Things that are great about FW:
1. PvP is great

2. Missions ae lucrative.

3. System occupancy mechanics suck, but there are still fights to be had, and ship limited combat is great (in both missions and plexes).




------

One last thing: Please don't let the podcast be dominated by a crappy plexing mechanic everybody knows sucks. Only one portion of FW is implemented poorly, but otherwise there is great pew to be had and that's what 90% of the non-mission running alts want when they log on.


Aristeia Cersei
SQUIDS.
Posted - 2011.08.15 11:21:00 - [16]
 

Lets not for get about bubbles causing aggro that also cause faction standings loss for Militia members.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.15 19:09:00 - [17]
 

Thank you for doing this. FW is a great way to play eve but it has been neglected by ccp.

Keep in mind talking about “fixing faction war”, and talking about how faction war currently works in a broken state are 2 completely different things.

Most people in faction war do not use the foundational mechanic of faction war - occupancy plexing. The heads of larger corps may or may not have any interest/knowledge about this.


The problem with occupancy plexing I think can be summed up by this:

"It took less than a week to achieve the maximum faction warfare rank (Divine Commodore), ….111 faction warfare complexes were captured … I did not kill anyone in the process..” Ankhesentapemkah Posted - 2008.06.18 02:29:00

Because the militias do not know when plexes are entered many people fly a pve ship and run the plexes in backwater systems without anyone even knowing they are there.

The other problem with plexes are the npcs. They force people to fly pve ships so they can tank their damage. Bu then since they are in a pve ship they don’t want to pvp.

Here is a proposal that discusses many of the issues:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1

Here is a list of issues that have been brought up by others:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1564233&page=1#1


Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:12:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Deerin
Caldari -> Damar Rocarion

...and good luck getting Damar and Val in the same environment without them going on at each other.


Why would I want to be in same comms with any member of FDU?

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Deerin
Caldari -> Damar Rocarion

...and good luck getting Damar and Val in the same environment without them going on at each other.


Why would I want to be in same comms with any member of FDU?



Well, just because we're on opposite sides, doesn't mean we have to hate each other. It's just a video game, after all.

Gunnyt31
Posted - 2011.08.15 20:55:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Deerin
Caldari -> Damar Rocarion

...and good luck getting Damar and Val in the same environment without them going on at each other.


Why would I want to be in same comms with any member of FDU?



Well, just because we're on opposite sides, doesn't mean we have to hate each other. It's just a video game, after all.


that and im pretty sure both sides want FW to be fixed and can agree on the changes they want to see

Ammon Dei
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.15 22:32:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Deerin
Caldari -> Damar Rocarion

...and good luck getting Damar and Val in the same environment without them going on at each other.


Why would I want to be in same comms with any member of FDU?



Well other than Damar being well "DAMAR", the vast majority of the Caldari/Amarr/Minmatar/Gallente Faction warfare CEO's / Leaders / Plex Runners that I have had relations with are reasonable and can sit on com's together and discuss the issues that plague us all.

I think this is a good idea and would be happy to be involved with such an event.

[QCATS] Ammon Dei - CEO

Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:23:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Ammon Dei
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: Deerin
Caldari -> Damar Rocarion

...and good luck getting Damar and Val in the same environment without them going on at each other.


Why would I want to be in same comms with any member of FDU?



Well other than Damar being well "DAMAR", the vast majority of the Caldari/Amarr/Minmatar/Gallente Faction warfare CEO's / Leaders / Plex Runners that I have had relations with are reasonable and can sit on com's together and discuss the issues that plague us all.

I think this is a good idea and would be happy to be involved with such an event.

[QCATS] Ammon Dei - CEO


I would hope so, but I also subscribe to the "If it bleeds it leads..." theory of journalism. :popcorn


Super Chair
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.08.16 00:41:00 - [23]
 

I'm down for this, FW needs slight tweaking as far as plexing mechanics go but the overhaul needs to be into the occupancy being meaningful. Otherwise, I think system occupancy should be decided with a LoL match between caldari and gallente but thats just me Razz


X gal pretty much has most of the issues frackin NAILED. For all design purposes FW was supposed to be a place for new players and I think treating faction ships as t2 in terms of restrictions would really be a good place to start.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.16 01:13:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 16/08/2011 01:15:13
Originally by: X Gallentius
Things that need fixing:
#1. Remote Reps on FW entities that are below -5.0 and taking a Faction HIT.

#2. Fix for Plexing in order for control of systems. Better mechanic make it mean something to control systems. OR give out good chunk of Faction LP for taking Offense or Defense Plexes.

#3. FW alliances. There ought to be a way to get the role play alliances into FW.

#4. Minnies and Gallente Should show up with same purple tags. Amarr and Caldari should also show up purple to each other. 2/3rds of FW is great (fights, missions). #5. Pirate faction ships are treated as T1 ships for plex entrance requirements. They should be treated as T2 ships since in all cases they are better than their T2 equivalents. This flaw limits the ability of poor (read: newer) players from having good fights.


Things that are great about FW:
1. PvP is great

2. Missions ae lucrative.

3. System occupancy mechanics suck, but there are still fights to be had, and ship limited combat is great (in both missions and plexes).

------

One last thing: Please don't let the podcast be dominated by a crappy plexing mechanic everybody knows sucks. Only one portion of FW is implemented poorly, but otherwise there is great pew to be had and that's what 90% of the non-mission running alts want when they log on.





I certainly agree that FW is the best part of eve. This fact is often lost when people only talk about the fact that fw plexing is broken.

Nonetheless fw plexxing is the backbone mechanic of fw and any serious attempt to fix it/discuss it has to deal with it. But as it currently stands plexxing is pretty much irrelevant to fw.


Saidra Whitewolf
Posted - 2011.08.16 03:04:00 - [25]
 

I will be there to represent FoTF (I cannot speak for the CEO), but I need a solid date and time before I will make plans to participate. I look forward to hearing what everyone has to say!

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2011.08.16 06:29:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 16/08/2011 06:29:17
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores

Originally by: Ammon Dei
Lets all be reasonable...
Say the persons who on their part are responsible for "Nennamaila incident" and approving their corp members irl threats against Caldari militia members.

Talk about putting a fox to guard the hen house. Why would anyone trust you to fix FW?

Lizzie Lefthand Marstolt
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:01:00 - [27]
 

Add also: Gallactiga from (ex-)Gallente and First General from (ex-)Caldari/Amarr side YARRRR!!

/me takes popcorn out

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.16 12:25:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cearain



I certainly agree that FW is the best part of eve. This fact is often lost when people only talk about the fact that fw plexing is broken.

Nonetheless fw plexxing is the backbone mechanic of fw and any serious attempt to fix it/discuss it has to deal with it. But as it currently stands plexxing is pretty much irrelevant to fw.


Plexing is 1/3rd of the backbone mechanics of FW. The other 2/3rds are 1) Free permanent war dec, and 2) FW missions.


Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.08.16 14:26:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Cearain



I certainly agree that FW is the best part of eve. This fact is often lost when people only talk about the fact that fw plexing is broken.

Nonetheless fw plexxing is the backbone mechanic of fw and any serious attempt to fix it/discuss it has to deal with it. But as it currently stands plexxing is pretty much irrelevant to fw.


Plexing is 1/3rd of the backbone mechanics of FW. The other 2/3rds are 1) Free permanent war dec, and 2) FW missions.





Right now I would say plexing is 1/100th of faction war. the other 99/100s lies in the free war dec and fw missions.

But I think occupancy plexing *should* be the backbone of fw. The missions should just be a means (isk) to an end (occupancy for your faction.) I suspect that was the intent and that is why I don't think its wrong to say the mechanics are so badly in need of updating that fw is pretty much broken.

Saying the war dec is a backbone mechanic is true in a very limmitted sense. Of course we need to have the war dec for fw to work.

But again its hardly any great "feature" since any 2 corps or alliances can make a mutual war dec and it is a permanent war dec for very little up front money.

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.16 18:27:00 - [30]
 

So, I started to type out a reply in this thread, then decided it might be better off as a thread of its own, and put it in Features and Ideas, even though it's almost entirely Faction Warfare related. Check it out, please, and let me know what you think.

My FW/Moons thread

I think it would be good for all of the militias, especially since we would then become more invested in our systems. Then we will have something tangible, instead of being roving gangs of (somewhat) limited pirates.


Pages: [1] 2 3

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only