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Vance Komorov
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:56:00 - [1]
 

I'm not sure where CCP and CSM is going with this removal of ABC ore from wormholes.

Let us shed some light onto this shall we??

For anyone, *cough* CSM, who doesn't know to much about wormholes and the mining that is done in wormholes here is a little info.
First off a wormhole exit doesn't always spawn next to a major trade hub. So those of us who actually live in a wormhole depend on some of that ore to build what we need.
Next we move on to the actual spawns, so far it's been 17 days with no grav site spawn in our wormhole. So if you can find the profit in not having a grav site to mine than show me. At the moment we count on lower prices to get us by on our production.
Some of us choose to stay away from null, I don't know about anyone else but I don't feel like living under the rule of some big butthurt alliance that needs the CSM to force changes in the game to suit them. Nor do I was to pay silly alliance and system taxes to these butthurts.

If you are living in null you have 24/7 access to all of the best ores and it is far safer than wormholes. Living in a wormhole forces you to actually rely in some skill, it's no walk in the park at the best of times. Constant hassle from people passing through, lack of site spawns and no moon mining. Take away our ABC and force us to pay outrageous prices to butthurt null alliances that have more isk than brains and I don't see the point in living in a wormhole or playing EVE for that matter.

80% of the population of EVE lives in highsec so why do we have butthurt null bangers dictating the changes that should be made that effect us in highsec. Changes must be made sooner than later the voice of the highsec population will be herd and the CSM won't like what we have to say.

Vance
p.s These are my opinions and views and I am free to them, if you disagree that is to bad. Also I don't ever come back to read the asinine comments left, feel free to reply but no response will be given.

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.08.14 14:58:00 - [2]
 

i really dont understadn the need to remove either, ive been in wormholes, and been in null-sec.

from my experience, you can make 10 times or more the profit mining in null-sec simply because the ores are in abundance and everywhere unlike wormhole space that has to rely on gravimetric cites that are not always there.

but i guess this is just the nullies wanting to try to corner the market on yet another aspect of the game so that they can force players to come to null sec to be their pets. honestly i think wormhole space is the closest thing to a balanced risk/reward aspect of eve that we have, and messing with it before we fix alot of other crap would be bad bad bad.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.14 17:07:00 - [3]
 

Yes, this storm in a teacup really needed another thread.

Thanks, Vance Komorov. Your say on the matter is so important that it needs a whole new thread just, so people don't mix it up with the identical opinions that a hundred others have posted.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.14 21:12:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Yes, this storm in a teacup really needed another thread.

Thanks, Vance Komorov. Your say on the matter is so important that it needs a whole new thread just, so people don't mix it up with the identical opinions that a hundred others have posted.


Just quoting Malc - because quoting him is better than reading this thread (again Rolling Eyes ).

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.15 02:01:00 - [5]
 

Say goodbye to your rocks crybabies.

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.08.15 08:35:00 - [6]
 

Dream on nullbear

raker
Posted - 2011.08.22 20:17:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dub Step
Say goodbye to your rocks crybabies.


Heh, take away ABC from WH space and also remove local from null sec

Then lets see who cries more


Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.23 14:45:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: raker
Originally by: Dub Step
Say goodbye to your rocks crybabies.


Heh, take away ABC from WH space and also remove local from null sec

Then lets see who cries more




I'd vote for both-D3
This Link explains why.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.23 18:54:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Darius III
Originally by: raker
Originally by: Dub Step
Say goodbye to your rocks crybabies.


Heh, take away ABC from WH space and also remove local from null sec

Then lets see who cries more




I'd vote for both-D3
This Link explains why.


You got that from Chribba this morning.... :-P

Chunicha
Posted - 2011.08.25 10:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vance Komorov
Take away our ABC and force us to pay outrageous prices to butthurt null alliances that have more isk than brains and I don't see the point in living in a wormhole or playing EVE for that matter.


Ok.... Bye.

Goobai Vapor
Posted - 2011.08.27 04:44:00 - [11]
 

Seriously, CCP.
Leave wormholes alone.

It's the one part of your game you haven't bent over the rain barrel.

Sure, less than three percent of your playerbase resides there - but many of us love W-Space for all that it offers.

Change it, and you *will* lose that three percent.

Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:47:00 - [12]
 

leave abc ores in wormholes
remove local in 0.0 so everyone is on even footing for mining

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.09.01 12:44:00 - [13]
 

The way I see it, it's possible a rebalancing (as mentioned by CCP Greyscale) might serve everyone well. For the most part, when we do get the rare gravs and manage to suck them dry, there's usually an excess of megacyte and not nearly enough of most of the other minerals to maintain production for any period of time. The megacyte winds up being used to finance purchasing lower end minerals to bring into the hole. So, even a 25% reduction in megacyte replaced with a really nice buff to other minerals would likely benefit we hole-dwellers a good bit. I'd of course like to see the buff to lower end minerals exceed the cut to the mega... we're that starved on the lower end.

We still need the megacyte for T3 production, this is a basic fact and one reason we won't completely lose megacyte in the holes. You don't want T3 production dependent on null-bunnies that don't mine what they have already, unless of course you're willing to entertain billion isk tengu hulls, etc.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:22:00 - [14]
 

Last I checked... even big nice fat grav sites had lower end minerals in very good quantities (In WHS of course)... its just nobody can be arsed into minnig it due to sheer greed over ABC.

I'm suspicous of this change to be quite honest.

Sor'Ral
Posted - 2011.09.05 14:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Last I checked... even big nice fat grav sites had lower end minerals in very good quantities (In WHS of course)... its just nobody can be arsed into minnig it due to sheer greed over ABC.

I'm suspicous of this change to be quite honest.


WH's severely lack Trit, Pye, Mex, even if you mine everything you get.

I like the idea of removing Local from 0.0 to even things out ...


 

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