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Vance Komorov
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:19:00 - [1]
 

I am so sick and tired of reading anything and everything that comes along dealing with the CSM. The CSM does NOTHING good for eve unless it benefits the big null alliances. If you don't believe me than take a look at who runs the CSM and where they are from.

In the last little while I've seen several changes in the game because of these butthurt big alliances don't like how something it does, cry to the CSM, CSM makes a stink and que CCP bending over to the will of the CSM and ta da, patch is released with changes.

CCP when will you take your game back and bring it back to the way things used to be? Not all of us want to live in null and be butthurt little alliance members that cry and demand changes when were scammed, some of us have been there and don't care. We don't want to loose our WH ore, which by the way if you don't live in a WH and have no idea how dangerous it can be shouldn't be dealing with that topic. I've lost a number of ships, including mining vessels in wormholes.

As of this moment I am casting a NO CONFIDENCE vote for the leader of the CSM along with the entire CSM. CCP PLEASE for the love of all things good in EVE take your game back from these butthurt null sec cry babies!

Vance

p.s. This is my opinion and I am free to it, if you don't like it that's to bad. I also do not come back to read these so feel free to reply if you like.

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:21:00 - [2]
 

Moved from General Discussion.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:32:00 - [3]
 

I wouldn't want to see the CSM disbanded but I would like to see the CSM being filled by a different way of electing them.



Randy Foker
Posted - 2011.08.12 13:01:00 - [4]
 

I second this, CSM should not be voted on in the way it is as it just ensures that the big alliances control the council.

Yes, the big allainces should have a place on the CSM but they should not be the be all and end all of it

Tsavong Revit
Posted - 2011.08.12 13:13:00 - [5]
 

So clueless. Didn't the CSM help CCP understand the issues with NeX, or do you want CCP to bring back the "gold ammo" issue.

"p.s. This is my opinion and I am free to it, if you don't like it that's to bad. I also do not come back to read these so feel free to reply if you like."

lol, this shows how much you really care that you don't want to bother with the issue anymore.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.08.12 13:31:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Signal11th
I wouldn't want to see the CSM disbanded but I would like to see the CSM being filled by a different way of electing them.

Forced voting. You can't log in until you voted for someone. Would create interesting results, that's for sure. Displayed order of candidates needs to be randomized for obvious reasons.

Takashi Kaeda
Posted - 2011.08.12 16:21:00 - [7]
 

OP is so butthurt its funny.

Basileus Volkan
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:13:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Signal11th
I wouldn't want to see the CSM disbanded but I would like to see the CSM being filled by a different way of electing them.

Forced voting. You can't log in until you voted for someone. Would create interesting results, that's for sure. Displayed order of candidates needs to be randomized for obvious reasons.


Because letting the computer decide randomly is so much better than real voting, yay!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.12 23:23:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vance Komorov
I am so sick and tired of reading anything and everything that comes along dealing with the CSM. The CSM does NOTHING good for eve unless it benefits the big null alliances. If you don't believe me than take a look at who runs the CSM and where they are from.

In the last little while I've seen several changes in the game because of these butthurt big alliances don't like how something it does, cry to the CSM, CSM makes a stink and que CCP bending over to the will of the CSM and ta da, patch is released with changes.

CCP when will you take your game back and bring it back to the way things used to be? Not all of us want to live in null and be butthurt little alliance members that cry and demand changes when were scammed, some of us have been there and don't care. We don't want to loose our WH ore, which by the way if you don't live in a WH and have no idea how dangerous it can be shouldn't be dealing with that topic. I've lost a number of ships, including mining vessels in wormholes.

As of this moment I am casting a NO CONFIDENCE vote for the leader of the CSM along with the entire CSM. CCP PLEASE for the love of all things good in EVE take your game back from these butthurt null sec cry babies!

Vance

p.s. This is my opinion and I am free to it, if you don't like it that's to bad. I also do not come back to read these so feel free to reply if you like.


I've seen some tears on this forum, but little that compares to this. Especially when it's over something that not one single member of the CSM has said they have the least intention of pursuing.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.08.13 09:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Basileus Volkan
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Signal11th
I wouldn't want to see the CSM disbanded but I would like to see the CSM being filled by a different way of electing them.

Forced voting. You can't log in until you voted for someone. Would create interesting results, that's for sure. Displayed order of candidates needs to be randomized for obvious reasons.


Because letting the computer decide randomly is so much better than real voting, yay!

With the CSM? Yes. Yes it is.

Rendaw
Posted - 2011.08.14 06:40:00 - [11]
 

Ive never seen the CSM do anything other than represent the large scale alliances. If they broke the CSM down to represent regions, and have a CSM members standing for election within the regions, that way we would get the interests of high and low sec???

Either way, as it stands, the CSM to me and many many many players is a total non-entity in its current form.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.18 16:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Rendaw
Ive never seen the CSM do anything other than represent the large scale alliances. If they broke the CSM down to represent regions, and have a CSM members standing for election within the regions, that way we would get the interests of high and low sec???

Either way, as it stands, the CSM to me and many many many players is a total non-entity in its current form.


So why don't you run and represent the issues you care about?

Obax Bannon
Caldari
Fidelis Technologies
Posted - 2011.08.19 09:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Rendaw
Ive never seen the CSM do anything other than represent the large scale alliances. If they broke the CSM down to represent regions, and have a CSM members standing for election within the regions, that way we would get the interests of high and low sec???

Either way, as it stands, the CSM to me and many many many players is a total non-entity in its current form.


So why don't you run and represent the issues you care about?


Everyone knows the current way of voting is a farce, its nothing more than a popularity contest with each member looking out for their own interests only.
The idea of breaking it down into different regions sounds alot better tho rather than the current way of doing things. CSM are a total joke.

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.22 01:16:00 - [14]
 

I think it is unfortunate you feel this way. I assure you the CSM works hard on a very large number of important issues. If you saw what efforts are put forth into every segment of the game by the CSM you may not feel the same. While I won't touch specifics-things are being hashed out. If the players want to make more of a difference, they should vote. D3

Andramedae
Posted - 2011.08.22 09:17:00 - [15]
 

Do we get a choice on what form of acid it gets dissolved in? Twisted Evil

Botleten
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.22 15:08:00 - [16]
 

If you want to see the CSM ran in a different way and feel that a lot of people agree with you, then announce your candidacy, start organizing, and campaigning to run for yourself. Otherwise this whole argument that "boo-woo Crying or Very sad theyre only on the CSM because more people voted for them ITS NOT FAIR1!11" is rather unconvincing.

So basically, if you don't like it, then start doing something about it or shut up and stop mindlessly whining without offering any alternatives.

Jaxon Grylls
Posted - 2011.08.23 10:04:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Botleten
If you want to see the CSM ran in a different way and feel that a lot of people agree with you, then announce your candidacy, start organizing, and campaigning to run for yourself. Otherwise this whole argument that "boo-woo Crying or Very sad theyre only on the CSM because more people voted for them ITS NOT FAIR1!11" is rather unconvincing.

So basically, if you don't like it, then start doing something about it or shut up and stop mindlessly whining without offering any alternatives.


Actually some of us are. Contact Jaxon Grylls or Lakitel if you would like to help.

A constituency basis for representation in the elections might work but that would probably mean that players would have to declare in which sector they would like their votes counted in and to be honest I think that this would involve more work than CCP is likely to accept.

Andramedae
Posted - 2011.08.25 11:57:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Andramedae on 25/08/2011 11:57:48
Originally by: Darius III
I think it is unfortunate you feel this way. I assure you the CSM works hard on a very large number of important issues. If you saw what efforts are put forth into every segment of the game by the CSM you may not feel the same. While I won't touch specifics-things are being hashed out. If the players want to make more of a difference, they should vote. D3


I'll call BS on this.

The player base discovered long ago that the whole CSM concept was just a grand circle-jerk, hence why voting numbers drop off year after year. It's just hillarious that some treat it so seriously - but of course, a free trip and nights of booze can alter your perception. Laughing

And being such a grand concept, you only have to see how many of the previous half dozen CSM's are still in game Rolling Eyes

Aryndel Vyst
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:13:00 - [19]
 

I hate to break it to you all but all elections are popularity contests. That's why they call it the popular vote.

And forcing people to vote on login? Just creates disarray because the people that whine and gripe about what they think is important on here are the very vocal minority of players in eve online.

Andramedae
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:20:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Aryndel Vyst
I hate to break it to you all but all elections are popularity contests. That's why they call it the popular vote.

And forcing people to vote on login? Just creates disarray because the people that whine and gripe about what they think is important on here are the very vocal minority of players in eve online.


But so frigging what? End of the day CCP will implement changes that bring in $$ to the game, not to pander to squeaky wheels. The squeaky wheels certainly don't pay the bill's and the vocal minority could pack up tomorrow and go and play WoT and CCP wouldn't give a tinkus.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.25 16:48:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Obax Bannon
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Originally by: Rendaw
Ive never seen the CSM do anything other than represent the large scale alliances. If they broke the CSM down to represent regions, and have a CSM members standing for election within the regions, that way we would get the interests of high and low sec???

Either way, as it stands, the CSM to me and many many many players is a total non-entity in its current form.


So why don't you run and represent the issues you care about?


its nothing more than a popularity contest with each member looking out for their own interests only.



This is practically the definition of democracy.

Name one election in the entire world where this is not the case.

Jaxon Grylls
Posted - 2011.08.26 10:17:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Jaxon Grylls on 26/08/2011 10:18:47
Originally by: Aryndel Vyst
I hate to break it to you all but all elections are popularity contests. That's why they call it the popular vote.


Not quite.

"Main Entry: popular vote
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the process by which qualified voters choose candidates or vote on issues, as opposed to elected representatives or an electoral college"


So although the elected person may not be "popular" in the sense of everyone liking them or their policies they may be elected by a popular vote, popular in this context meaning "of the people" i.e the populace.

Who do you think usually get most attention in anything? usually it is the "vocal minority".

Market Knight
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:45:00 - [23]
 

The CSM started out as a noble idea to bring player issues to CCP attention and to discuss issues which effected all of or certain playerbases before implementation.

But as soon as the people that use it for their own ends got into it, it became a joke, just like modern day politics.

The CSm now is just a group of Goons and other douche-nozzle alliance reps that have CCP's ear. It will never be anything more than that in its current incarnation.





Botleten
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:40:00 - [24]
 

Oh yes, just let those salty crocodile tears flow, please!

"God, I can't believe they won seats on the CSM just because they got more votes than other people who ran.... the CSM should cater to my needs because what I believe is so obviously what everyone else in eve believes (just ignore the fact that everyone on CSM got there through numbers of votes cast for them)."

God, grow up. Your concerns aren't nearly as important as you think they are, otherwise people would've voted for the CSM in such a way that reflected that. What do you suggest? Ignoring the number of votes each delegate got and instead, appointing yourself as decider of who gets on the CSM? Face it, you are a few smatterings of highly vocal carebears trying to create an issue where there is none. If you want things to change on the CSM, then run for it during the next elections and let's just see exactly how many people really do agree with your ideas (or lack thereof)....

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.09.04 08:15:00 - [25]
 

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p.s. This is my opinion and I am free to it, if you don't like it that's to bad. I also do not come back to read these so feel free to reply if you like.


This is the sort of quality discussion on eve issues we should be having, not what those CSM jerks bring.

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:46:00 - [26]
 

Personally, I think the CSM is doing an ok job. Sure, they're null sec alliance bigwigs, but they DO speak out when **** hits the fan.
If you followed CSM blog posts, you will see they do. They might not be able to say as much as they like due to NDA, but they're working on things.

Can it be done better IMHO? Yes I think it can, I'm even considering to stand for elections and campaign for a seat as industrialist.


Peregrine
Posted - 2011.09.08 07:07:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Market Knight
The CSM started out as a noble idea to bring player issues to CCP attention and to discuss issues which effected all of or certain playerbases before implementation.

But as soon as the people that use it for their own ends got into it, it became a joke, just like modern day politics.

The CSm now is just a group of Goons and other douche-nozzle alliance reps that have CCP's ear. It will never be anything more than that in its current incarnation.







Sorry mate, the CSM started out as a gimmick to demonstrate transparency in CCP. T20 did some shady things and the backlash (threadnaught) created the CSM as a means to show the player base that CCP has cleaned up it's act and that we as players could go and check up on them to some degree.

The CSM has evolved into what it is now, but it didn't start out to be what it is.


 

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