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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.08.12 18:42:00 - [61]
 

Anyone who is investing ISK in any kind of Eve bank, Eve stock or Eve bonds deserve to lose all his ISK and is complete moron. Eve lacks any accountability - this alone makes any investment idiotic as nothing prevents the fund owner to pack his ISK and run away, then simply buy another char on the bazaar.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.08.12 19:15:00 - [62]
 

There are two questions that I ask myself when I see an entity like Phaser Inc.

1) If they are so successful, why do they need my money?

2) If they are so successful, why would they be willing to pay interest on my investment when they could instead just wait for their own business to give them the money they need?

There are times when you can answer the above two questions satisfactorily. But Phaser Inc. never answered these two, key questions.

That being said, it IS possible for the "customers" to make a lot of money off of ponzi schemes. The trick is that you have to get in early, and pull out before it's too late.

Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.12 19:22:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Estephania
Anyone who is investing ISK in any kind of Eve bank, Eve stock or Eve bonds deserve to lose all his ISK and is complete moron. Eve lacks any accountability - this alone makes any investment idiotic as nothing prevents the fund owner to pack his ISK and run away, then simply buy another char on the bazaar.


Yeah, exactly, that's precisely what makes EVE un-real - i.e. a game. Everyone's anonymous. The only people who trust each other in EVE are rl friends - and even then, not always Laughing

OTOH, this circumstance also makes it the case that someone who is trustworthy in the game, and doesn't abuse their anonymity could become famous for that in-game.

But then they might still be tempted at some point later on Twisted Evil

Zag'mar Jurkar
Minmatar
Advent of the Blood Sun
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:02:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ula Barbaria
Originally by: Zagam
PLEX go one way... RL $ to ISK. Thats it. No court will take this on, no lawyer in their right mind would take it on. You lost, and are now butthurt over it. Get over yourself, and learn to research before investing.


It is funny and pathetic when someone who doesn’t know how to convert ISK to real money is attacking another in order to learn about investing...

And you don't understand the point of my opinion.

If CCP don’t intervene in this case like “court” we can expect how crime will be raising in this community. More scam - more spam - because ALL IS ALLOWED!



No, you can't convert ISK to $$ (if you follow the Eve's EULA and stuff), all you can do is SAVE MONEY, you do not have more money in your pocket from ISK, you just spend less.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:09:00 - [65]
 

Phaser Inc a scam?

Go figure.

Now, can we lose the spam, please?

Joeve Vess
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:43:00 - [66]
 

Hopefully one day people will learn to stop wasting there money on those scam...probably not

Jiny Lee
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:52:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Jiny Lee on 12/08/2011 20:52:29

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:54:00 - [68]
 

(points to my sig)

anyone who invested in that and did not pull there money out before this?

Sell off everything you have, send all resulting isk to the CCP charity "person" Delete and Biomass all characters and cancle your accounts

why?

you are not paranoid enough to play EvE.

Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
Posted - 2011.08.12 21:03:00 - [69]
 

Can we get a waxed handlebar moustache for the NEX store?

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.08.12 21:26:00 - [70]
 

Everyone falls for a scam now or then. The point is to make sure you don't fall for big ones. Most I lost was 25 mil on Quafe Ultra I thought was Quafe Zero. Happens. Stop being so butt hurt.

Winters Chill
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.08.12 21:47:00 - [71]
 

Every Player run Bank in Eve, over a long enough timeline, is or will become a scam.

Umbriele
Gallente
Natural Inventions
Solyaris Chtonium
Posted - 2011.08.12 23:53:00 - [72]
 

I know it was a scam from the beginning since it was so clear, but not to all apparently :)

So it was just a bet about when to retire my isk before the scam day, like any hazard games, and I win about 500.000.000 isk

Thank you Phaser, this was the best pvp experience ever, good job!! :-)

Sumos Tigerclaw
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:34:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Neurotica
if it's too good to be true, it's a scam.

I was starting to think that most of eve is 12 yrs old Laughing


If it's in EvE, it's a scam.
Most of eve is 25-35, but they do act like 12 year olds.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:12:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Winters Chill
Every Player run Bank in Eve, over a long enough timeline, is or will become a scam.


If I recall correctly, the guy running the big bank scam, a while back, got banned. Food for thought.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:20:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Winters Chill
Every Player run Bank in Eve, over a long enough timeline, is or will become a scam.


If I recall correctly, the guy running the big bank scam, a while back, got banned. Food for thought.


For RMT, not for the scam.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:22:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Winters Chill
Every Player run Bank in Eve, over a long enough timeline, is or will become a scam.


If I recall correctly, the guy running the big bank scam, a while back, got banned. Food for thought.

For RMT, not for the scam.

Oh yeah, that's right; now I remember! I think it was a kid, actually, who sold of everything his bank possessed, for a measely $12 dollars, to a friend of his. LOL.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.08.13 06:00:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 12/08/2011 16:19:37
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: RAW23
Whether or not they raised the claimed 1 tril isk, at least MD didn't act as enablers for once!


Can't rain all the time Wink

Great song.


Well guessed right there , indeed got the line from that movie , just like the rest of my bio Wink



Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.13 06:06:00 - [78]
 

There is no paranoia in Eve. Everyone is out to get you.

Piwat King
Posted - 2011.08.13 09:46:00 - [79]
 

To those who got scammed....

Too bad for you. you won't get anything back.

However, if you want to **** with these guys here's what you do.

If you're American, write a letter to the FBI's internet investigations unit. Why you ask? Well there's several reasons.

1) they opened a public domain that required you to create an account that also required personal information. Collecting personal information under false pretenses is a crime. (even over the internet)
2) It's obvious from their letter that they intended all along to use this domain to commit fraud (of a type)
3) If they live in North America. they've committed digital fraud.
4) The more of you that file a complaint with the FBI the better chance you all have of getting them to investigate this issue to see if that domain was indeed registered by an American citizen.
5) you will never "get your isk back" but however if this gets looked into and acted upon these guys won't be able to so much as power up a computer for the next 10-20 years.

Digital items in EVE are inherently the property of CCP. Even your character belongs to CCP. Your personal information however is yours. They collected and maintained a database of that personal info with the intent to mislead people. That's a crime.


Enjoy and good luck (and dear god I can't believe people actually fell for this)


March rabbit
Posted - 2011.08.13 11:26:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: March rabbit on 13/08/2011 11:27:29
will add some fuel to your fire... (after all everybody needs some kind of "i'm better than you!").

my 1.1bil came to Phaser Inc. Very Happy (good job guys)

start to blame Twisted Evil

Xyfu
Minmatar
Love From Above
Posted - 2011.08.13 12:13:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Piwat King
To those who got scammed....

Too bad for you. you won't get anything back.

However, if you want to **** with these guys here's what you do.

If you're American, write a letter to the FBI's internet investigations unit. Why you ask? Well there's several reasons.

1) they opened a public domain that required you to create an account that also required personal information. Collecting personal information under false pretenses is a crime. (even over the internet)
2) It's obvious from their letter that they intended all along to use this domain to commit fraud (of a type)
3) If they live in North America. they've committed digital fraud.
4) The more of you that file a complaint with the FBI the better chance you all have of getting them to investigate this issue to see if that domain was indeed registered by an American citizen.
5) you will never "get your isk back" but however if this gets looked into and acted upon these guys won't be able to so much as power up a computer for the next 10-20 years.

Digital items in EVE are inherently the property of CCP. Even your character belongs to CCP. Your personal information however is yours. They collected and maintained a database of that personal info with the intent to mislead people. That's a crime.


Enjoy and good luck (and dear god I can't believe people actually fell for this)


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Baraka Saibot
Posted - 2011.08.13 12:58:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Baraka Saibot on 13/08/2011 13:21:17
Edited by: Baraka Saibot on 13/08/2011 13:02:20
Originally by: Piwat King
To those who got scammed....

Too bad for you. you won't get anything back.

However, if you want to **** with these guys here's what you do.

If you're American, write a letter to the FBI's internet investigations unit. Why you ask? Well there's several reasons.

1) they opened a public domain that required you to create an account that also required personal information. Collecting personal information under false pretenses is a crime. (even over the internet)
2) It's obvious from their letter that they intended all along to use this domain to commit fraud (of a type)
3) If they live in North America. they've committed digital fraud.
4) The more of you that file a complaint with the FBI the better chance you all have of getting them to investigate this issue to see if that domain was indeed registered by an American citizen.
5) you will never "get your isk back" but however if this gets looked into and acted upon these guys won't be able to so much as power up a computer for the next 10-20 years.

Digital items in EVE are inherently the property of CCP. Even your character belongs to CCP. Your personal information however is yours. They collected and maintained a database of that personal info with the intent to mislead people. That's a crime.


Enjoy and good luck (and dear god I can't believe people actually fell for this)




Now, I'm not an American citizen... But I doubt that stealing virtual money in a MMORPG is a federal crime in the US.

I'm amazed by the number of people who have given away their ISK... I'm amazed... And jealous. Do you have any proof of the amount of ISK and contributers?

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.08.13 13:02:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Piwat King
To those who got scammed....

Too bad for you. you won't get anything back.

However, if you want to **** with these guys here's what you do.

If you're American, write a letter to the FBI's internet investigations unit. Why you ask? Well there's several reasons.

1) they opened a public domain that required you to create an account that also required personal information. Collecting personal information under false pretenses is a crime. (even over the internet)
2) It's obvious from their letter that they intended all along to use this domain to commit fraud (of a type)
3) If they live in North America. they've committed digital fraud.
4) The more of you that file a complaint with the FBI the better chance you all have of getting them to investigate this issue to see if that domain was indeed registered by an American citizen.
5) you will never "get your isk back" but however if this gets looked into and acted upon these guys won't be able to so much as power up a computer for the next 10-20 years.

Digital items in EVE are inherently the property of CCP. Even your character belongs to CCP. Your personal information however is yours. They collected and maintained a database of that personal info with the intent to mislead people. That's a crime.


Enjoy and good luck (and dear god I can't believe people actually fell for this)




Wow , your trolling right?Come on say you're trolling ... Rolling Eyes

Coffe's Babe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.13 13:18:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Piwat King
To those who got scammed....

Too bad for you. you won't get anything back.

However, if you want to **** with these guys here's what you do.

If you're American, write a letter to the FBI's internet investigations unit. Why you ask? Well there's several reasons.

1) they opened a public domain that required you to create an account that also required personal information. Collecting personal information under false pretenses is a crime. (even over the internet)
2) It's obvious from their letter that they intended all along to use this domain to commit fraud (of a type)
3) If they live in North America. they've committed digital fraud.
4) The more of you that file a complaint with the FBI the better chance you all have of getting them to investigate this issue to see if that domain was indeed registered by an American citizen.
5) you will never "get your isk back" but however if this gets looked into and acted upon these guys won't be able to so much as power up a computer for the next 10-20 years.

Digital items in EVE are inherently the property of CCP. Even your character belongs to CCP. Your personal information however is yours. They collected and maintained a database of that personal info with the intent to mislead people. That's a crime.


Enjoy and good luck (and dear god I can't believe people actually fell for this)




Wow , your trolling right?Come on say you're trolling ... Rolling Eyes


He prolly saw some lawyer movie and feels all smart now.

Half of what he said is bull****.

Hunter Verdeen
Posted - 2011.08.13 14:45:00 - [85]
 

I sent an alt 100m ISK and used it to invest when these guys first started figuring if it was a scam I could afford to lose. I was received my first 2 interest payments then let the alt's account go inactive. I just recently reactivated the alt and it had still been getting payments so I had isk in the wallet when (before the initial transfer) I had only a little over 1m. I was considering withdrawing my investment when this is announced. Of course I lost the 100m ISK but I have lost more losing a ships or even simply buying fitting and trying ships I later sold everything for less than I paid because I did not like it.

The point is I gambled on something and lost in a game. But lets look at what I lost and that is ISK. I took 100M ISK that was simply sitting in my wallet doing nothing and put it into a gamble to make more ISK. Every time I undock my Hulk or worse yet Orca I do the same. I made some ISK in interest same as when I mine ore and sell it. Then I lost my initial investment same as if my ship got ganked. Overall I actually lost less investing than I would have having set up to mine and within a few minutes been ganked. Either way I lost ISK playing my game the way I wanted to so I am not mad things did not work out as planned. Better luck next time(or not).

Now let's take a look at the reason this happened and why folks with some unneeded ISK lying around invested in this as well as sometimes other schemes (say loaning it to someone you know in game and then not getting paid back). Keep in mind I am big into ISK for nothing. I do PI for the easy ISK and play ER games like the lottery and others where you do nothing but risk/donate ISK for a chance at a larger return. Had the investment been legit and worked out over time I could have gotten a good return on my initial investment for doing nothing. However I can't make isk missioning, manufacturing, buying and selling, or mining without a lot of time invested at least in research of how/where to make the most ISK if not actual time spent doing something. Now this is not to say I don't do these things (at least some of them) but overall if there is potential to make say 100m isk by spending 5m or simply lose the 5m while doing nothing I see it a risk worth taking. Frequently you lose but sometimes you gain and that to me is a big part of playing Eve and in fact is how I enjoy playing. It may not be how you play or what you would do but the simply fact I don't have to do the same as everyone else is a big reason I play.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:35:00 - [86]
 

Isk in the wallet doing nothing has more value then in the hands of someone else. It won't double, tripple, and borrow 17m. Its a safe secure deposit box, so long as you don't stupidly fall for margin scans, read local contracts, double another person's wallet as they "leave" eve, pay corp security desposits, or buy way out priced officer mods for your ship you won't loose. Its nice to always have that isk there for when you really need it, like a PVP binge or buying a bunch of PLEX to fund an alt.

Leimos
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:55:00 - [87]
 

o/ Hope everyone enjoyed their Phaser Inc experience. First off, thank you for all the nice ISK, I'm sure my partner and I will give it a nice home. Everything is explained on the website, so making a thread post is really silly.

If your mad (umadbrah), attempt to do something in game about it. Otherwise your ranting and complaining is moot. EVE is a game; get over it, we'll do it again if we want. Later. o/

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.08.13 17:01:00 - [88]
 

Anyone stupid enough to pour isk into an investment bank in eve online deserves to be ripped off

3 most obvious scams

1. Investment Banks / Loans - haha at all those stupid enough to lose isk
2. Send me isk and ill triple it type scam - haha at all those stupid enough to lose isk
3. Cant make a contract.... trade to me in station... - can't I just make a want to buy contract for you instead???

Piwat King
Posted - 2011.08.14 06:24:00 - [89]
 






Now, I'm not an American citizen... But I doubt that stealing virtual money in a MMORPG is a federal crime in the US.

I'm amazed by the number of people who have given away their ISK... I'm amazed... And jealous. Do you have any proof of the amount of ISK and contributers?


It's not about stealing virtual money. Perhaps you need to read a little more, or learn to read. Let me break it down for you

Within EVE online, CCP are the ones in charge. if they say it's allowed then it's allowed within the realm of New Eden. Once you enter the public domain ( creating a website with intent to commit fraud) It becomes something different. If you mislead people and gather and maintain a database of personal information without the proper licensing and contractual agreements (notice how every website you join that collects personal information has you accept thier own version of agreements?) Then you're committing fraud.

It doesn't matter what gets stolen, it's called "Intent" (go look it up) The public domain is a different world, one called "the real world" with real consequences. tell you what, If you don't think this is real file a complaint with the FBI (if you're American) and they will tell you to go jump off a cliff (in laymen terms)

Your complaint cannot be about items in EVE (which CCP owns) it has to be about "The gathering of personal information with the intent to commit fraud using a public domain." (word it exactly like that) And then sit back and wait and see what they say.

and no, I didn't watch something on TV... I spent a couple years studying law. Hated it so tried something else.

Ildryn
Posted - 2011.08.14 06:28:00 - [90]
 

"Phaser inc scam 1 Trillion isk, from 4000 butthurt hi-sec nerds."


Number of active accounts: 3360
Pulled from the same place you got your figures from...

Just saying...maybe next time read the whole thing.


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