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Laconian
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:00:00 - [1]
 

Hi there!

Last post (because account expires in a few minutes) for a long, long time or maybe ever. Been going through the forums before I go on my merry way and something kept jumping out at me across many posts.

OK 2 things

1st- OMG I have never seen such dedicated trolls in my life. It is amazing how much time and energy you (trolls) put into disagreeing with, shouting down, or just slinging mud onto ideas and perspectives that are perfectly reasonable for discussion.

My favorites are the multi-paragraph responses that can be boiled down to “I am aware of this because someone wrote it before you.”

The most hilarious ones of course are those that complain their time has been wasted reading an idea they have read before. Then they spend all the time writing smarta$$ responses as opposed to a simple “Someone’s said that already” or an even simpler click to the next post.

My WOW training has shown these are often the ignored or unpopular kids from high school getting their frustration out but I was always under the impression EvE was more for adults.

The fact that grown men and women are engaged in this is... funny? Lame? I dunno what the right word would be to convey my opinion of that. I pray you don’t have children. “Daddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!” “Well duh stupid, I knew that already. Here’s a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!”


Anyway that’s just an observation.

2nd- When folks say “I’ll keep playing until it’s P2W and then I’m leaving!” Hate to tell you but “Well duh stupid! It’s like that already!” In the dark ages before Plex- Isk was not merely currency but a score. Your net assets reflected the time and effort you put into New Eden (yeah, yeah not always nit-pickers Smile).


Then PLEX came out and since then Isk has nothing to do with your skill, will, or substance. Now anyone can be a billionaire on day 1 so long as you throw down the cash.

Does this mean you are leaving? Of course not! You may ***** and moan but in the end you will go along with it. Every time!

The reason it is P2W now is because of you! The EvE community. When Plexes came out you (may have) whined and complained but you refused to vote with the one thing you could which was your wallet. YOU kept it profitable. YOU made it ok. YOU bought the Plexes!

Now it IS P2W and it will become more so over time because YOU won’t really do anything about it. It will continue to have all those little annoying issues (like tiny text, life-long bugs, half-realized innovations [FW for ex.], and development centered around MT). And why? Because of YOU!

Blaming others (devs, fanbois, CEOs, CSM, your mom) is just passing the buck.

Ok I’m done. Thanks for reading and enjoy EvE as you have made it (that last bit was not sarcasm even though it sounded like it).

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:02:00 - [2]
 

QUICK!
ur stuffz, contract to me pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeee

I figure if I ask enough, I might actually get something some day...has happened before...

Lurd
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:02:00 - [3]
 

doh, no, I need the stuffs

Kraven Stark
Caldari
Atavism Industries
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:02:00 - [4]
 

Bye! Looks like the rest is just whining so no need to even touch it. That's what she said!

Bevil Smyth
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:19:00 - [5]
 

sad but true!

sorry to see you go!

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:25:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Laconian
Whining



Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

You won't be missed.

Sewer Urchin
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:33:00 - [7]
 

Super long post about how everything you said has been said before and confirming that as soon as eve is P2W I'm leaving.

Also, good bye.


Acktose5123
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Laconian
Whining



Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

You won't be missed.

Hate to be an ass, but I agree with this statement.

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:36:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Laconian
Hi there!

Last post (because account expires in a few minutes) for a long, long time or maybe ever. Been going through the forums before I go on my merry way and something kept jumping out at me across many posts.

OK 2 things

1st- OMG I have never seen such dedicated trolls in my life. It is amazing how much time and energy you (trolls) put into disagreeing with, shouting down, or just slinging mud onto ideas and perspectives that are perfectly reasonable for discussion.




Oh yea, we can discuss all we want, and CCP will COMPLETELY ignore us. Should we apply the same to your thoughts here? Shall we completely ignore you until you podkill us? Let's discuss.

...oh wait..

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:48:00 - [10]
 

True story.

Comunity was much better back around 2003-2006...

Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:02:00 - [11]
 

It's my gold ammo, and I want it now!

Disturbed Pilot
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:19:00 - [12]
 

Plex is not the P2W that will cause me to quit.

Plex helps players like me who can't afford the game every month (or even just knowing that I dont have to pay for the game if i dont want to) probably the main thing that keeps me playing the game, it isnt a pure profit for ccp, every bit of that isk was earned by a player through the ingame economy.

The P2W that will make me quit is if ccp introduces items that are game influencing, destructive to game balance, which entertain pure profit into ccp's wallet. This type of P2W is good on free games but not on a game where subscription is expected, imo.

There is a very huge difference here.

Doctor Deals
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:30:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Doctor Deals on 11/08/2011 22:30:59

Originally by: Laconian
“Daddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!” “Well duh stupid, I knew that already. Here’s a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!”

LOL. But srsly.. adolts be much smartest then stoopid childs.

Originally by: Laconian

Then PLEX came out and since then Isk has nothing to do with your skill, will, or substance.


Think you mean GTC. They been selling since atleast June 2007 (way before PLEX).

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:30:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 11/08/2011 22:31:02
Originally by: Disturbed Pilot
it isn't a pure profit for ccp, every bit of that isk was earned by a player through the ingame economy.




Someone paid for your monthly sub. It cost CCP nothing as it was your (prepaid)time and effort that created the fictitious money that someone else wanted and so this fictitious money was exchanged and converted into real money for CCP.

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:31:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Disturbed Pilot
Plex is not the P2W that will cause me to quit.

Plex helps players like me who can't afford the game every month (or even just knowing that I dont have to pay for the game if i dont want to) probably the main thing that keeps me playing the game, it isnt a pure profit for ccp, every bit of that isk was earned by a player through the ingame economy.

The P2W that will make me quit is if ccp introduces items that are game influencing, destructive to game balance, which entertain pure profit into ccp's wallet. This type of P2W is good on free games but not on a game where subscription is expected, imo.

There is a very huge difference here.


Game Influencing items: Everything in the NEX store. (Look at all the monocle owners talking trash because they spent $80)
Destructive to game balance: NEX store (NOTHING is balanced here. "MACROtransactions" Also, resources that went into the NEX store could have been spent on fixing bugs, developing better gameplay, working on Incarna, etc..
Pure profit into CCP's wallets: NEX store. Players get NOTHING for using the NEX store except for a product that can't be destroyed (See destructive to game balance. Everything should be destroyable)

"This type of P2W is good on free games but not on a game where subscription is expected, imo."
- I completely agree.

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.11 23:06:00 - [16]
 

This doesn't seem very relevant to eve online.

Aoki Ayumi
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.08.11 23:11:00 - [17]
 

Laconian... I feel the same, but the thing is, don't let the trolls ruin your game, just do not pay attention to them, that is the smart point.
So do not leave, just forget this sometimes stupid comunity ok?

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.08.11 23:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dub Step
This doesn't seem very relevant to eve online.


It's called general discussion you halfwit.

Look up what general means please, I'll even save you the trouble of searching for it.

General definition

General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.08.12 01:37:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Laconian
Hi there!

Last post (because account expires in a few minutes) for a long, long time or maybe ever. Been going through the forums before I go on my merry way and something kept jumping out at me across many posts.

OK 2 things

1st- OMG I have never seen such dedicated trolls in my life. It is amazing how much time and energy you (trolls) put into disagreeing with, shouting down, or just slinging mud onto ideas and perspectives that are perfectly reasonable for discussion.

My favorites are the multi-paragraph responses that can be boiled down to “I am aware of this because someone wrote it before you.”

The most hilarious ones of course are those that complain their time has been wasted reading an idea they have read before. Then they spend all the time writing smarta$$ responses as opposed to a simple “Someone’s said that already” or an even simpler click to the next post.

My WOW training has shown these are often the ignored or unpopular kids from high school getting their frustration out but I was always under the impression EvE was more for adults.

The fact that grown men and women are engaged in this is... funny? Lame? I dunno what the right word would be to convey my opinion of that. I pray you don’t have children. “Daddy, I learned the Moon revolves around the Earth!” “Well duh stupid, I knew that already. Here’s a nickel- buy a clue ret@rd!”


Anyway that’s just an observation.

2nd- When folks say “I’ll keep playing until it’s P2W and then I’m leaving!” Hate to tell you but “Well duh stupid! It’s like that already!” In the dark ages before Plex- Isk was not merely currency but a score. Your net assets reflected the time and effort you put into New Eden (yeah, yeah not always nit-pickers Smile).


Then PLEX came out and since then Isk has nothing to do with your skill, will, or substance. Now anyone can be a billionaire on day 1 so long as you throw down the cash.

Does this mean you are leaving? Of course not! You may ***** and moan but in the end you will go along with it. Every time!

The reason it is P2W now is because of you! The EvE community. When Plexes came out you (may have) whined and complained but you refused to vote with the one thing you could which was your wallet. YOU kept it profitable. YOU made it ok. YOU bought the Plexes!

Now it IS P2W and it will become more so over time because YOU won’t really do anything about it. It will continue to have all those little annoying issues (like tiny text, life-long bugs, half-realized innovations [FW for ex.], and development centered around MT). And why? Because of YOU!

Blaming others (devs, fanbois, CEOs, CSM, your mom) is just passing the buck.

Ok I’m done. Thanks for reading and enjoy EvE as you have made it (that last bit was not sarcasm even though it sounded like it).



Well said! And now back to Trollololin CCP for their lackluster love of Eve online as a source of cash, rather than a source of beauty and concept that it once was.

Ammzi
Posted - 2011.08.12 02:07:00 - [20]
 

Eve troll, best troll.

SchuMidas
Posted - 2011.08.12 02:07:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kunming
True story.

Comunity was much better back around 2003-2006...


do CCP still ignore player back then ?

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.08.12 02:12:00 - [22]
 

Welcome to EVE onine, where a capitalist based game is supposed to have socialist based mechanics. Or so the trolls wish for NEX and play style.

Tijai Betula
Posted - 2011.08.12 08:28:00 - [23]
 

+1000 to the OP

Remember most of the 'Adults' dont even post on the forums anymore due to the massive influx of kiddies / haters.

The games only on the client, not the forums (anymore).

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.08.12 09:45:00 - [24]
 

We always have some lame teenagers and then being adults have difficulty in dealing with people

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.12 10:59:00 - [25]
 

Moved from General Discussion.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:05:00 - [26]
 

I am aware of this because someone wrote it before you.

Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
STRAG3S
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Moved from General Discussion.


to die a quiet death in a place where nobody reads it...

Actually, why is this here? How is quitting Eve an OOPE? I guess it's a transition to being out of pod?

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:12:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Moved from General Discussion.


to die a quiet death in a place where nobody reads it...

Actually, why is this here? How is quitting Eve an OOPE? I guess it's a transition to being out of pod?


Seeing as its 'out-of-pod' discussion, shouldnt all Walking in Station and Incarna discusion be in this sub forum?

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:27:00 - [29]
 

Point1 is a philosophical ranting.
Point2 - totally agree. Eve IS PW2 and no matter how much drivel is put into defense of the PLEX, PLEX IS P2W. NEX store is another step in the same direction, and I'm quite sure that in a year from now we'll have SP for cash, boosters for cash, standings for cash. In 2 years - gold ammo, special ships and premium modules. Don't know about you, but for me Eve already lost most of the charm. I can't bother ratting, or trading or PI as instead of that I can simply buy ISK. I don't care that much about ships I lose, because I can measure every loss in "minutes" of my RL job and most of the ships cost next to nothing this way. PLEX was a terrible idea gameplay-wise. Of course, it allowed slackers and students to play the game and grind for ISK sitings days in days out in from of the screen. It allows ppl with jobs to buy nearly anything with the only limit - how much cash do we desire to throw into Eve. It's win for CCP, it's loss for Eve. It simply killed the soul of this game IMHO. I'm not threatening to quit because of this or because of that. I'll quit when I won't give a **** about the game and MT is certainly contributing to that.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.12 14:46:00 - [30]
 

I never bought a plex.

Can't afford them. :-(

Got too many guns to feed. Even have to make my own bullets (and brew my own beer).




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