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Vladamir Stukov
Posted - 2011.08.10 21:48:00 - [1]
 

Ignoring factors such as what damage type youre tanked for and what damage type the enemy is throwing at you (since that can be random) what battleship would you say has the highest general survivability in PvP and why? I'm looking to invest in a ship that I won't have to replace as much :)

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:01:00 - [2]
 

Solo? Gang? Fleet? Shield? Armor? Budget?

TheMahdi
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:03:00 - [3]
 

Abaddon or Hyperion. Biggest buffer or biggest active tank. Take your pick, both very effective PvP BS.

Vladamir Stukov
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:13:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Vladamir Stukov on 10/08/2011 22:15:27
Originally by: mxzf
Solo? Gang? Fleet? Shield? Armor? Budget?


Gang/fleet Shield or Armor: best out of either, and budget is mainly t1

FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:39:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Vladamir Stukov
Edited by: Vladamir Stukov on 10/08/2011 22:15:27
Originally by: mxzf
Solo? Gang? Fleet? Shield? Armor? Budget?


Gang/fleet Shield or Armor: best out of either, and budget is mainly t1


Manueverability will often do more to keep you alive than tank. That's why my favorite PVP battleships are the Tempest and the Typhoon.

fgft Athonille
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:45:00 - [6]
 

maelstrom with tengu ganglinks and crystals

Rebbecca Black
Posted - 2011.08.11 02:49:00 - [7]
 

Arty Abaddon. Thing is a brick house.

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.11 08:29:00 - [8]
 

Abaddon.

Brotha Umad
Posted - 2011.08.11 10:55:00 - [9]
 

Rattlesnake.

Or Rokh, for a different kind of tanking : "nevarprimary".

Inara Tyana
Posted - 2011.08.11 12:04:00 - [10]
 

Hyperion easily.

rep setup, legion gang links and 5% repper implant = 3000dps tank o/l.

It is viable in pvp however your going to have difficulty staying ontop of anything

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.11 12:29:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Inara Tyana
Hyperion easily.

rep setup, legion gang links and 5% repper implant = 3000dps tank o/l.

It is viable in pvp however your going to have difficulty staying ontop of anything


Equivalent shield tanking maelstrom+tengu will top that while having some tackle, good dps, range and damage selection.

s0lar pulse
Posted - 2011.08.11 12:57:00 - [12]
 

Rattlesnake, Maelstrom, Rokh, Navy Scorpion, Vargur, and Golem. Only 3 of those I have not flown in pvp.

Unholy X
Posted - 2011.08.11 20:21:00 - [13]
 

Active SNI with crystals,tengu boosting alt,overheat, and a strong blue pill= 9k dps tank

R'adeh
Gallente
Storm Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.11 20:40:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: R''adeh on 11/08/2011 20:40:51
Edited by: R''adeh on 11/08/2011 20:39:53
In the end, nothing will save you from a blob, and the edge you gain in an expensive one if you want "the best".

Personally, I prefer a cheap dual-injector, dual-repper Domi. Still enough midslots to tackle anything that comes after you, neuts, still decent damage with top skills, and if it blows up, you lose less than 100mil taking into consideration rigs.

Consider value/money unless you're rich. So let's say you want to engage something in a pimp BS costing 2-5bil. You could afford to lose 20-50 cheapo Domis instead. Ask yourself this, will I survive 20-50 fights without getting blobbed to the point where no tank would save me or not? If the answer is no, don't buy a pimp ship like that....otherwise, enjoy YARRRR!!

PS: Falcon alt helps ;)

Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.08.11 22:00:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rebbecca Black
Arty Abaddon. Thing is a brick house.


Wisdom.

Inara Tyana
Posted - 2011.08.12 11:16:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Hyperion easily.

rep setup, legion gang links and 5% repper implant = 3000dps tank o/l.

It is viable in pvp however your going to have difficulty staying ontop of anything


Equivalent shield tanking maelstrom+tengu will top that while having some tackle, good dps, range and damage selection.


Except that it doesn't, has worse cap stability and no web.

Although it does have a bit more dps and better range its also alot more obvious. A bonus of the hypes 2 reppers means it can hide the full ability of its tank depending on the fight. Additionally 2 cap boosters can really come in handy when your o/l your tank to deagg and jump out.

P0TAT0
Posted - 2011.08.12 13:08:00 - [17]
 

Presuming your toon follows in the footsteps of its name's RUSSIAN origin I would have to presume that you don't make it a habit to fly solo in PVP. So tank is not a HUGE issue for pussies, I mean you.

M0N0CLE

Dark Platypus
Posted - 2011.08.12 13:46:00 - [18]
 

Honestly if you are flying in fleets 20-30 guys with no logi...your buffer tank wont really matter all that much (especially with T1 stuff as you noted you will be using), unless you are just ganking, in an eve fleet fight, I don't care how good your BS tank is when 20 guys start shooting it, you'll die.

Overall the Abbadon really is the best BS, its only real downside is fixed damage types, and no mobility...but you can reach out to 60+km with that sweet sweet scorch...so you dont really need to move :)

Go for the abbadon, but if you really dont want to "die" get friends with logi....

This is internet space ships though, you learn by getting killed.

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.12 15:32:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: P0TAT0
Presuming your toon follows in the footsteps of its name's RUSSIAN origin I would have to presume that you don't make it a habit to fly solo in PVP. So tank is not a HUGE issue for pussies, I mean you.

M0N0CLE


Is this guy is berating the OP for having reliable friends in an MMO?

illirdor
Gallente
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.08.12 15:53:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: P0TAT0
Presuming your toon follows in the footsteps of its name's RUSSIAN origin I would have to presume that you don't make it a habit to fly solo in PVP. So tank is not a HUGE issue for pussies, I mean you.

M0N0CLE


Is this guy is berating the OP for having reliable friends in an MMO?


He is just a MAD noble :P

INFANITI
Posted - 2011.08.12 16:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dark Platypus
Honestly if you are flying in fleets 20-30 guys with no logi...your buffer tank wont really matter all that much (especially with T1 stuff as you noted you will be using), unless you are just ganking, in an eve fleet fight, I don't care how good your BS tank is when 20 guys start shooting it, you'll die.

Overall the Abbadon really is the best BS, its only real downside is fixed damage types, and no mobility...but you can reach out to 60+km with that sweet sweet scorch...so you dont really need to move :)

Go for the abbadon, but if you really dont want to "die" get friends with logi....

This is internet space ships though, you learn by getting killed.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.13 04:11:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: FT Diomedes
Originally by: Vladamir Stukov
Edited by: Vladamir Stukov on 10/08/2011 22:15:27
Originally by: mxzf
Solo? Gang? Fleet? Shield? Armor? Budget?


Gang/fleet Shield or Armor: best out of either, and budget is mainly t1


Manueverability will often do more to keep you alive than tank. That's why my favorite PVP battleships are the Tempest and the Typhoon.


+1000

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.13 20:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: P0TAT0
Presuming your toon follows in the footsteps of its name's RUSSIAN origin I would have to presume that you don't make it a habit to fly solo in PVP. So tank is not a HUGE issue for pussies, I mean you.

M0N0CLE


I could go back in time to Sparta and not see this much madness.

Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.08.13 23:24:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 13/08/2011 23:34:15
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Hyperion easily.

rep setup, legion gang links and 5% repper implant = 3000dps tank o/l.

It is viable in pvp however your going to have difficulty staying ontop of anything


Equivalent shield tanking maelstrom+tengu will top that while having some tackle, good dps, range and damage selection.


Except that it doesn't, has worse cap stability and no web.

Although it does have a bit more dps and better range its also alot more obvious. A bonus of the hypes 2 reppers means it can hide the full ability of its tank depending on the fight. Additionally 2 cap boosters can really come in handy when your o/l your tank to deagg and jump out.


Wanna post that fit, cos (keeping in mind the mostly T1 guide of the OP) I'm not convinced it exists, cos as far as I can tell, you seem to be assuming something in the region of 93% resists.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 13/08/2011 23:34:15
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Hyperion easily.

rep setup, legion gang links and 5% repper implant = 3000dps tank o/l.

It is viable in pvp however your going to have difficulty staying ontop of anything


Equivalent shield tanking maelstrom+tengu will top that while having some tackle, good dps, range and damage selection.


Except that it doesn't, has worse cap stability and no web.

Although it does have a bit more dps and better range its also alot more obvious. A bonus of the hypes 2 reppers means it can hide the full ability of its tank depending on the fight. Additionally 2 cap boosters can really come in handy when your o/l your tank to deagg and jump out.


Wanna post that fit, cos (keeping in mind the mostly T1 guide of the OP) I'm not convinced it exists, cos as far as I can tell, you seem to be assuming something in the region of 93% resists.


Probably involves Estamels invuls, I once EFTed a cap stable 10k dps maelstrom, I will see if i can make it again... and try to figure out if it had a point or not...

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.14 02:46:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Demon Azrakel on 14/08/2011 02:47:40
Fit is ******ed, better have someone pointing and stuff close... this is in response to the active shield tank vs active armor tank arguments.

Strong Blue Pill, Overheat, HG Crystals, Max Skilled Mindlinked Tengu Booster:
26944 DPS Tank
25300 Sustained DPS Tank
1436 DPS

And then your cap boosters run out...
Also note the size of the guns on an active shield ship vs an active armor ship. Add to this the damage mod issues, and an active maelstrom is quite a beast compared to an active hyperion. This makes me sad, as I have perfect blaster skills.

[Maelstrom, Holy **** Expensive]
Damage Control II
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer

Estamel's Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier
Chelm's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Chelm's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800

Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Artillery, Domination EMP L

Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier I

Or, More Useful In PvP
Strong Blue Pill, Overheat, HG Crystals, Max Skilled Mindlinked Tengu Booster:

12849 DPS Tank
10969 Sustained DPS Tank
1351 DPS

And then your cap boosters run out...

[Maelstrom, Holy **** Expensive copy 1]
Damage Control II
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer

Estamel's Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Chelm's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Tobias' Modified Stasis Webifier
Tobias' Modified Warp Disruptor

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II
Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II

If you want, I can try a marauder post... From a glance, both will tank better than that maelstrom and their cap boosters will run out slower. Golem has one more mid than Vargur, so if that slot is used for tank, Golem has better stats, if it is, say, a target painter, Vargur comes out slightly ahead.

EDIT: Yeah, its not T1, but a 3k tank Hyperion is not a t1 fit either, as was mentioned in those arguments

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.08.14 03:14:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 13/08/2011 23:34:15
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Originally by: Inara Tyana
Hyperion easily.

rep setup, legion gang links and 5% repper implant = 3000dps tank o/l.

It is viable in pvp however your going to have difficulty staying ontop of anything


Equivalent shield tanking maelstrom+tengu will top that while having some tackle, good dps, range and damage selection.


Except that it doesn't, has worse cap stability and no web.

Although it does have a bit more dps and better range its also alot more obvious. A bonus of the hypes 2 reppers means it can hide the full ability of its tank depending on the fight. Additionally 2 cap boosters can really come in handy when your o/l your tank to deagg and jump out.


Wanna post that fit, cos (keeping in mind the mostly T1 guide of the OP) I'm not convinced it exists, cos as far as I can tell, you seem to be assuming something in the region of 93% resists.




So... Full Meta 4 Fit:
Overheat, Full Legion Boosts, Numon Family Heirloom, 6% Cap Reduction
2424 DPS Tank
1978 Sustained with guns on
591 DPS Navy Antimatter

It is slow, cant catch ****, much less hold it down, or hit it...

[Hyperion, 3k tank t1 really?]
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I

Mael Equivalent has less tank (as does a proper Hyperion)

Tengu Bonuses, no implants, everything overheated
1183 DPS Tank
1108 Sustained Tank
968 DPS

Slower than hype, but it has a decent engagement range :Blasters:

[Maelstrom, Meta 4]
Internal Force Field Array I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets

800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L

Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I
Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I
Large Core Defence Operational Solidifier I

Neither of these fits are proper fits, but me wondering wtf people were comparing for t1 fit 3k tank hyperions...

Inara Tyana
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:02:00 - [28]
 

Using strong exile, legion booster and 5% rep implant and the following:


[Hyperion, New Setup 1]
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Ogre II x4

2518/3857 O/L DPS tank
819 DPS

In practice i've used an explosive hardener and eanms, also I use the 3% rep implant since its so cheap.


 

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