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TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:14:00 - [1]
 

Live statistics, means you will be able to see the numbers change real time.

a top list of people with highest
- dmg done.
- dmg tanked.
- ship kills.
(pve and pvp) (also how many parties were involved in the kill will be revealed for all to see)
- etc.

Result in PvP: people on pvp roams will be able to quickly determine the potential for some good fights in the system. Not to mention the potential for determining how many PvE targets in system.

Result in PvE: because people are more able to compare their own progress with their peers in the same area, as a result people will be more engaged with the game. At the end of the day it all comes down to 'how well did i do compared to others'

Why: Many other games do it because it is a sure formula for a successful and healthy game! The stronger the foundation of the game is, the easier it will be to build and expand on it. Want better expansions? Want the community to be less frustrated with the game? It all comes down to improving on 'how well did i do compared to others'

mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
Posted - 2011.08.11 19:56:00 - [2]
 

No. This is Eve, not CS:S.
/thread

TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.11 21:30:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: mxzf
No. This is Eve, not CS:S.
/thread


well since you already bumped the thread.

I think you're right, eve is more chill than other games, its not really meant to be super competitive, but a boost in statistics is hardly going to ruin the game, so its totally worth a careful study and consideration.

You meantioned CS like its the only game with live statistics.

for example look at Starcraft2 which is huge now, and what makes it into such a juicy competitive game is the statistics, people can compare, in detail, who is doing better and by how much.

There is probably over 50 thousand people that actually watch others play the game live, regularly. Not tomention countless more that just likes watching replays, daily. It's quite the phenomenon. So yeah, I think there is something to it that is worth exploring.

/thread

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.08.12 04:24:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: TheExtruder
Originally by: mxzf
No. This is Eve, not CS:S.
/thread


well since you already bumped the thread.

I think you're right, eve is more chill than other games, its not really meant to be super competitive, but a boost in statistics is hardly going to ruin the game, so its totally worth a careful study and consideration.

You meantioned CS like its the only game with live statistics.

for example look at Starcraft2 which is huge now, and what makes it into such a juicy competitive game is the statistics, people can compare, in detail, who is doing better and by how much.

There is probably over 50 thousand people that actually watch others play the game live, regularly. Not tomention countless more that just likes watching replays, daily. It's quite the phenomenon. So yeah, I think there is something to it that is worth exploring.

/thread


fact is, you want to know if someone is good at pvp, theres a thing called killboards, and if you wanna know whether or not there are some good fights in a system, bring up your star-map, and turn on the markers fro "kills in last hour" or "kills in last 24 hours" and both of these have options to look at either ships or pods killed in that time span.

in other words, live statistics are un-needed and no serious player would use them, just the CoD CS fanboys who care about nothing other then their K/D score for a region...

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.12 15:43:00 - [5]
 

Not just no, f no...

All this kind of thing does is turn the game into a killboard contest, IMHO they should not even release killboard data.

-4 (accounts)

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.08.12 16:36:00 - [6]
 


Your idea sounds like a KB monitor for the entire Eve Universe, available by the tab key. Since people are sooo spread out, and the statistics would be heavily skewed by fleet warfare, I just don't think its terribly reasonable.

However, you did give me an idea: A small popup that can be toggled like the FPS monitor, that gives star map statistics for the system your currently in. I'll check to see if this has been proposed before.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.12 17:07:00 - [7]
 

I am curious to know where this sudden influx of real time kill stat obsessed people came from. Did some FPS die and abandon them?

TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.12 18:37:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
I am curious to know where this sudden influx of real time kill stat obsessed people came from. Did some FPS die and abandon them?


If you're really really curious you can go on a pilgrimage to the himalayas and study meditation with masters, if you commit your life to studying how the universe works, maybe then you'll understand how people just come up with these crazy wild ideas and all those influxes and whatnotLaughing

Although I might save you a lifetime of searching by giving you this short explanation to the phenomenon: the sudden 'influx' you were talking about is a very real matter that needs to be adressed by certain key people (probably not youSmile) and I would also add that it is not irrelevant and pointless, and that it has more to do with the future of the game and what direction the game should be heading.

It's long term stuff I admit, but its a real need in the game that will keep growing and it needs to be adressed properly through proper discussions and more productive arguments.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.12 19:23:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: TheExtruder
Originally by: De'Veldrin
I am curious to know where this sudden influx of real time kill stat obsessed people came from. Did some FPS die and abandon them?


If you're really really curious you can go on a pilgrimage to the himalayas and study meditation with masters, if you commit your life to studying how the universe works, maybe then you'll understand how people just come up with these crazy wild ideas and all those influxes and whatnotLaughing

Although I might save you a lifetime of searching by giving you this short explanation to the phenomenon: the sudden 'influx' you were talking about is a very real matter that needs to be adressed by certain key people (probably not youSmile) and I would also add that it is not irrelevant and pointless, and that it has more to do with the future of the game and what direction the game should be heading.

It's long term stuff I admit, but its a real need in the game that will keep growing and it needs to be adressed properly through proper discussions and more productive arguments.


Ah.

In that case, because I'm feeling obstinate and nostalgic, I'll say no.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:08:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: TheExtruder
Live statistics, means you will be able to see the numbers change real time.

a top list of people with highest
- dmg done.
- dmg tanked.
- ship kills.
(pve and pvp) (also how many parties were involved in the kill will be revealed for all to see)
- etc.

Result in PvP: people on pvp roams will be able to quickly determine the potential for some good fights in the system. Not to mention the potential for determining how many PvE targets in system.

Result in PvE: because people are more able to compare their own progress with their peers in the same area, as a result people will be more engaged with the game. At the end of the day it all comes down to 'how well did i do compared to others'

Why: Many other games do it because it is a sure formula for a successful and healthy game! The stronger the foundation of the game is, the easier it will be to build and expand on it. Want better expansions? Want the community to be less frustrated with the game? It all comes down to improving on 'how well did i do compared to others'


There are 2000 people in this system. Press tab to see the stores.

crash.


That's if the extra lag something as pointless as this creates would even let more than a couple of hundred people in system. We want LESS lag, not more, and adding worthless statistics to the loads the servers already struggle with would achieve what exactly?

Utsen Dari
Posted - 2011.08.13 21:00:00 - [11]
 

Ships in EVE fleets have roles. Damage ship, tackle ship, ewar ship, cap denial ship, scout ship, cyno ship, etc etc. Each bringing utility.

Having an easily accessible interface that encourages the guy in the damage ship to smug all over the other pilots would be really, really bad. Everyone would assume that the damage ship is the best role and then go whine on the forums that their Falcon doesn't do enough damage to compete on the Official Scoreboard.

Look what happened to WOW: you had a bunch of different and interesting roles in raids, then some fool made a damage meter addon and soon the players demanded that every class be "improved" to be all identical damage guys with the same abilities.

In short, NO.

TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.14 10:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Utsen Dari
Ships in EVE fleets have roles. Damage ship, tackle ship, ewar ship, cap denial ship, scout ship, cyno ship, etc etc. Each bringing utility.

Having an easily accessible interface that encourages the guy in the damage ship to smug all over the other pilots would be really, really bad. Everyone would assume that the damage ship is the best role and then go whine on the forums that their Falcon doesn't do enough damage to compete on the Official Scoreboard.

Look what happened to WOW: you had a bunch of different and interesting roles in raids, then some fool made a damage meter addon and soon the players demanded that every class be "improved" to be all identical damage guys with the same abilities.

In short, NO.


Good argument, finally a decent response. Doesnt apply in pve though.

Also if we're talking pvp then the scoreboards on websites would still be used very often because it is so specific and lots of details.
The 'tab button' in the case of pvp would mostly tell them the exact level of activity and history in the system, so its not about bragging. And even if your properly fitted dmg ship gets outperfformed by somebody else in a different ship, maybe you should start thinking and planning on getting same ship? I think most of us always have something new and different that we want, its never really enough, so it wouldnt exactly change much in that department.

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.14 10:57:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: TheExtruder
Good argument, finally a decent response. Doesnt apply in pve though.

Most of the responses were decent, they just weren't supportive of your terrible suggestion.

TheExtruder
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.08.14 11:20:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dub Step
Originally by: TheExtruder
Good argument, finally a decent response. Doesnt apply in pve though.

Most of the responses were decent, they just weren't supportive of your terrible suggestion.


I apologize if i hurt your feelings dub step, but you gotta agree with me when i say that people keep bumping the thread with pretty stupi* comments that serve even less purpose than a 'terrible idea'. atleast in assembly hall. So how about
/thread


 

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