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Elistar XI
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:35:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Elistar XI on 10/08/2011 06:09:22
This has been an acknowledged problem by CCP. Solution:

Make ALL stations in low/null sec have a cyno!
To avoid trap blobbing give it a small cooldown. if some ship jumps to a station then that cyno cannot be used again for 1 minute.

This is intended to make logistics easier without affecting capital warfare. if soemone wants to blob with capitals then they should light up a traditional cyno.

Feel free to post any improvements on it.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:11:00 - [2]
 

Improvement: delete this post.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:55:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Elistar XI
This has been an acknowledged problem by CCP. Solution:

Make ALL stations in low/null sec have a cyno!
To avoid trap blobbing give it a small cooldown. if some ship jumps to a station then that cyno cannot be used again for 1 minute.

This is intended to make logistics easier without affecting capital warfare. if soemone wants to blob with capitals then they should light up a traditional cyno.

Feel free to post any improvements on it.


So if I need to move several ships around at once, I have to separate them by a minute?

WTF?

Projected improvement - delete your post and pretend this conversation never happened.

Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:46:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Elistar XI
This has been an acknowledged problem by CCP.

This where things started going horribly wrong.

Capitals are meant to be a pain to maneuver. That's why they can't use Gates like everyone else. That's why they have to use a Cyno to get anywhere.

It's not a problem CCP acknowledges, it's a hindrance they've purposely added.

CanIPost Please
Posted - 2011.08.10 03:48:00 - [5]
 

I have a solution to your problem: other players.

How about you pay someone a million or so to light you a cyno? And, how about you pay someone else to watch that person light the cyno (Scouting was far and away my favorite activity, and I was damn good at it.)? And, how about you pay two other people to escort you. If you paid them all enough, they might want to make you a regular client, and they might start looking for other clients.

I know what you're going to say. "But, how do I know I can trust them? What if they kill me? What if they want too much compensation?"

Welcome to EVE Online.

Elistar XI
Posted - 2011.08.10 06:01:00 - [6]
 

f***ing trolls, go die in a fire.

This is intended for single players who always have to wait and can't move around because there is no one willing to go down 30 jumps just to light them a cyno, and repeat that many times if there is more than 1 cyno.

If you want to move more than 1 ship then jump to another station, or a system nearby.

If you want to gank someone who jumped and that's why you don't like the 1 min, well that's the freaking point! go light a real cyno.


Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.10 06:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Elistar XI
This is intended for single players


Stopped reading at this point. You obviously don't understand what "MMO" means Confused

Sick Gangster
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:52:00 - [8]
 

Would be great for moving my thanny, but ccp will never do it, because so many people have 2 accounts so they can move on their own. Xtra $$$ for CCP

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:44:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Elistar XI
f***ing trolls, go die in a fire.

This is intended for single players who always have to wait and can't move around because there is no one willing to go down 30 jumps just to light them a cyno, and repeat that many times if there is more than 1 cyno.

If you want to move more than 1 ship then jump to another station, or a system nearby.

If you want to gank someone who jumped and that's why you don't like the 1 min, well that's the freaking point! go light a real cyno.




People who actually have a brain make an cyno alt to take care of that job and then go light their own cyno.... that's assuming you have one too.

Elistar XI
Posted - 2011.08.10 17:15:00 - [10]
 

I bet most of you trolls don't even have a carrier.

Try having one and then having to move it across the universe.

Of course I have a cyno alt, but having to run it through 50 jumps of low-sec in a t1 frig to click a t1 mod once, that's a freaking waste of time. there is nothing cooperative or multiplayer or meaningful play.
And no, nobody pays a 2nd account just for a cyno.

CCP have acknowledged that it is a problem but didn't a find a solution yet, well here is one that doesn't impact pvp in any bit, yet solves a major part of the problem.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.10 17:35:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 10/08/2011 17:36:12
Originally by: Elistar XI
I bet most of you trolls don't even have a carrier.



I do. I even have a dred. And even I think your idea is dumb.

Originally by: Elistar XI

Try having one and then having to move it across the universe.



I have. And?

Originally by: Elistar XI

Of course I have a cyno alt, but having to run it through 50 jumps of low-sec in a t1 frig to click a t1 mod once, that's a freaking waste of time.



Isn't that the point? Ships that are huge force multipliers in battle and extremely useful logistics ships being difficult and tedious to use so that widespread proliferation and use is actually discouraged...

Originally by: Elistar XI

there is nothing cooperative or multiplayer or meaningful play.
And no, nobody pays a 2nd account just for a cyno.



Soooooo... get some friends then? Cause that's what I use.

Originally by: Elistar XI

CCP have acknowledged that it is a problem but didn't a find a solution yet, well here is one that doesn't impact pvp in any bit, yet solves a major part of the problem.


Evidence please. I find it hard to believe that CCP wants to make capitals EASIER to use considering that it made them a ***** to move around in the first place and that there is widespread QQ about their proliferation.

crimson fire
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:00:00 - [12]
 

I have never come across a game with so many idiots in the forum.

How many times do we have to hear people with arguments like "life is hard, so eve should be hard, get used to it or play wow. Games are not supposed to be fun, lets make it all about the chore." The best in life is stupid monotone chores. YAY!"


Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.08.11 03:11:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 11/08/2011 03:12:57
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 11/08/2011 03:12:05
Originally by: Elistar XI
I bet most of you trolls don't even have a carrier.

Try having one and then having to move it across the universe.

Of course I have a cyno alt, but having to run it through 50 jumps of low-sec in a t1 frig to click a t1 mod once, that's a freaking waste of time. there is nothing cooperative or multiplayer or meaningful play.
And no, nobody pays a 2nd account just for a cyno.

CCP have acknowledged that it is a problem but didn't a find a solution yet, well here is one that doesn't impact pvp in any bit, yet solves a major part of the problem.


I have a Jump Freighter...with all due respect... WTF is your problem again? (Btw, at least you can defend yourself! Smartass!JF's are unarmed and flying giant bullseyes.)

And what is this problem CCP brings up? Link?

Oh wait... to busy crying to moma... yeah... keep bringing those tears to fuel my jump drive.

:)

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.11 05:45:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 11/08/2011 05:46:50
Originally by: crimson fire

How many times do we have to hear people with arguments like "life is hard, so eve should be hard, get used to it or play wow. [...]



No one here made that argument (yet).

Originally by: crimson fire

[...] Games are not supposed to be fun, lets make it all about the chore." The best in life is stupid monotone chores. YAY!"



Games are supposed to be fun... but not always easy.


Here's the deal... capitals were not intended to be solo ships from their inception. That's why they cannot use stargates and why they require the use of a cyno. The idea was that players who wanted to use capitals ships, ships that can exact incredible pain and/or multiply the power of a "conventional force" by several orders of magnitude, would need to make friends and trust them enough with their expensive hardware to get around.
However... many players get around this "intent" by using alts to put up cynos for their capital flying character (which touches off on the issues surrounding alts in general... but that's a whole other can of worms for a different thread).

Now you might say that "this isn't fair for solo players who don't want to/can't rely on other players. How come they can't fly such ships they way they want to?"
Simply put... this is an MMORPG. A Massivle Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. There are multitudes of other players in this game. To ignore them because you want to is your prerogative but do not expect the game overall to be balanced as a "single player experience." Otherwise it would just be a plain 'ol RPG that you need to log online to and just happens to have other players in it.

edit: cleaned up some typos

Elistar XI
Posted - 2011.08.11 10:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: crimson fire
I have never come across a game with so many idiots in the forum.

How many times do we have to hear people with arguments like "life is hard, so eve should be hard, get used to it or play wow. Games are not supposed to be fun, lets make it all about the chore." The best in life is stupid monotone chores. YAY!"




I was thinking exactly the same, such a pathetic forum community.

It's my fault anyway, for wanting to improve something in this game, for thinking it's worth even typing the post. this game and this community is not worth my time.

Bye.

Dutarro
Matari Munitions
The Fendahlian Collective
Posted - 2011.08.11 13:02:00 - [16]
 

OP, the general idea you're proposing has some merit. A dedicated cyno pilot makes sense when moving a capital fleet into enemy territory, but not so much when moving a single capital ship across the universe.

However, a free cyno on any station may be going too far. Moving a capital ship should be at least as difficult as moving a normal ship.

An alternative suggestion: a new type of scan probe, and a new capital module

Cynosural Resonance Probe -- a type of scan probe, which locates natural phenomena suitable to formation of a cynosural field. To use it, you travel to the target system in a non-capital ship, launch the cyno probe, then after it locates a cyno site, you return to the place where your capital ship is parked.

Cynosural Resonance Link -- a high-slot module for capital ships, which when activated jumps you to the last cyno probe deployed by the current pilot. The cyno link module carries heavy penalties, rendering the capital ship nearly useless for combat operations. Fitting a cyno link is only feasible for long-distance travel through friendly or neutral territory.

Moving a capital ship would still be a pain, since you have to switch to your probe launcher ship and travel to each jump point via stargates, but at least you would be able to complete the journey by yourself.

eocsnesemaj
Keskerakond
Posted - 2011.08.11 13:24:00 - [17]
 

Do away with cynos totally.
Let the ship jump to any sys within range and have it appear in a totally random spot in sys, show up as a warpable object on overview for 1 min regardless of cloak or not....... lul

Dub Step
Minmatar
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.08.11 19:40:00 - [18]
 

I too would like instant travel to any destination for my capital ship without the need for using effort, fore-planning, a cyno alt or two, a fleet, interaction with other players.

This is an utterly naive proposal from someone who doesn't appreciate how horribly game breaking instant travel everywhere in the game would be.

Of course I am just going to be called a 'troll' for believing you should have to put in some effort for your reward in this game but there you go ugh

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.08.12 03:29:00 - [19]
 

Ok I changed my mind.

this idea is brilliant... I'll never get attacked again...just jump directly to station...dock up..done.


So brilliant that I was a fool for not believing it.

*Stifles a laugh....then loses it and laughs so hard he falls out of chair*


 

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