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Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:03:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Delucian on 09/08/2011 18:03:21
I have this sitting in hanger and started playing around with fits for PVE, which of the following would you choose?

Maller 1 is 33,105 EHP, 111 DPS with 507 Volley
Maller 2 is 52,419 EHP, 106 DPS with 405 Volley

[Maller, Maller 1]
Damage Control I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
Small Nosferatu II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

[Maller, Maller 2]
Damage Control I
Power Diagnostic System II
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

220mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
220mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
220mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
220mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
220mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, EMP M
Small Nosferatu II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:26:00 - [2]
 

Being brutally honest, both of those fits are really really bad.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:27:00 - [3]
 

Being brutally honest, no they are not.

Its a tank fit, with AC's on a ship that has no bonuses to any gun platform and does a crap amount of damage regardless of what you put on.

So stay on topic.

Belthazor4011
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:57:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Belthazor4011 on 09/08/2011 18:58:46
Originally by: Gorki Andropov
Being brutally honest, both of those fits are really really bad.

He is right.

Being honest, brutally or otherwise those are insanely crappy PVE fits.

Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE.

Webbers for PVE, also a no.

NOS for PVE also a no.

The list of no's is very very very long.

This will die a quick quick quick death in PVE.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:00:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Delucian on 09/08/2011 19:08:37
God, I do not know why I ever try to get any useful input from anyone on this forum with idiots like you guys being the only ones who post.

I doubt either one of you have ever tried to fit this ship, but you both have useless comments.

Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE. (one fit has a repper, the other is passive)

Webbers for PVE, also a no. (web for PVE to slow small ships so there is a potential for hitting with a ship that has no drones)

NOS for PVE also a no. (just fillin a hole, and supplimenting cap)

The list of no's is very very very long. (post what you think is right genius)

This will die a quick quick quick death in PVE. (funny, ran something similar with lasers and it worked just fine - your skills must suck)

NoNah
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:06:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Delucian
God, I do not know why I ever try to get any useful input from anyone on this forum with idiots like you guys being the only ones who post.

I doubt either one of you have ever tried to fit this ship, but you both have useless comments.


I've flown quite similiar fits quite a bit for pvp. And applied the same principle to prophecies, apocs, sacrileges(prior to Khanid 2.0 obviously), punishers, vengeances etc. THey're certainly not bad.

But I have no idea what kind of pve situations they'd be better than activetanked ships in. Maybe you want to specify the intended use a tad more.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Belthazor4011
Edited by: Belthazor4011 on 09/08/2011 18:58:46
Originally by: Gorki Andropov
Being brutally honest, both of those fits are really really bad.

He is right.

Being honest, brutally or otherwise those are insanely crappy PVE fits.

Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE. right

Webbers for PVE, also a no. wrong

NOS for PVE also a no. wrong

The list of no's is very very very long.

This will die a quick quick quick death in PVE.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:10:00 - [8]
 

See notes above - Good God!

Acrior
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Delucian
See notes above - Good God!

I don't fly amarr but just wanted to say I'm so sorry

NoNah
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:25:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Delucian
See notes above - Good God!


You have no notes remotely relevant to my question at hand?

As for how I'd suggest anyone to do it?


[Maller, New Setup 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
Armor EM Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Power Diagnostic System II

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Start there and work in whatever direction you need. Need less tank? Get more heat sinks. Need a web? Drop an aux pump and add a web. Don't need the ab? Drop the power diag, add an heat sink or add another heavy pulse. Or, keep everything but fit AC's instead if you prefer and you're not actually running amarr pve.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:06:00 - [11]
 

Thanks Nonha, that is useful.

bushwacka
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:28:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: bushwacka on 10/08/2011 01:29:53
next time, you might want to check the prices for the stuff you're sticking on a cheap cruiser hull...because both of the fits are the pauper equivalent of a crappy officer fit nightmare (isk buyer edition)Laughing

also:
Originally by: Delucian
Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE. (one fit has a repper, the other is passive)

armor != shields


Because Of Door
Posted - 2011.08.10 02:48:00 - [13]
 

[Maller, PVE]

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 100

Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Similar to the other guy but with added NOSburgers... You have to pulse the repper obviously... You can drop the PDU for another Heat Sink, membrane etc...

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.08.10 08:32:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Sader Rykane on 10/08/2011 09:08:38
Originally by: Delucian
Being brutally honest, no they are not.

Its a tank fit, with AC's on a ship that has no bonuses to any gun platform and does a crap amount of damage regardless of what you put on.

So stay on topic.


Why do you need plates on a PvE ship?


*EDIT*

Originally by: Delucian
Edited by: Delucian on 09/08/2011 19:08:37
God, I do not know why I ever try to get any useful input from anyone on this forum with idiots like you guys being the only ones who post.

I doubt either one of you have ever tried to fit this ship, but you both have useless comments.

Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE. (one fit has a repper, the other is passive)

Webbers for PVE, also a no. (web for PVE to slow small ships so there is a potential for hitting with a ship that has no drones)

NOS for PVE also a no. (just fillin a hole, and supplimenting cap)

The list of no's is very very very long. (post what you think is right genius)

This will die a quick quick quick death in PVE. (funny, ran something similar with lasers and it worked just fine - your skills must suck)

Wow... After seeing this response you really don't deserve any help from anyone. Your attitude is nearly worse than your Maller fits.

Listen carefully and use your brain.

1) You do not run missions with plates on your ship. EVER. Plates serve no purpose in mission PvE. They have their places in Sleeper/Incursion PvE; but never should a mission ship be plated. A maller WITHOUT plates would need to be hit for nearly 14,000 damage to die in one hit if properly tanked.

Why is this? Simple really, in 99.9999% of missions with proper research you will know what damage is being done to you; in which case you can selectively choose to resist said damage. Also, in 99.99999% of missions you will never encounter NPC ships with the capability of one shotting your ship if you are fitted with the correct tank. What this means is that a proper PvE ship will try to TANK incoming damage and REPAIR it. If a NPC shoots you for 300 damage, you then repair that 300 damage. At no point will having "extra health" save you unless you are doing it wrong; which clearly you are.

As the poster so aptly stated: Plates are a No.

2) Nos doesn't work in PvE, NPC's don't have the same type of capacitors that we do. And even if they do work (which they don't) it'll work to such a negligible degree that its a complete waste of time. Besides, the NPC's shouldn't even be alive long enough for you to nos them in the level of missions you'll be running in a Maller.

Nos is a no.

3) Your attitude sucks, and clearly you don't know much about this game. You did the right thing by asking questions; you did the wrong thing by disregarding people who gave you legitimate criticism.

Your attitude is a no. And YES your fits are bad.


[Maller, Maller fit for a low skilled player]
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
Heat Sink I
Heat Sink I
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Well Skilled Maller

[Maller, New Setup 2]
Medium Armor Repairer I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Thermic Plating II
Magnetic Plating II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

2x CCC 1x Nano Pump

Pasadenasman
Born In Jungle
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.08.10 09:41:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Pasadenasman on 10/08/2011 09:42:20
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Edited by: Sader Rykane on 10/08/2011 09:08:38
Originally by: Delucian
Being brutally honest, no they are not.

Its a tank fit, with AC's on a ship that has no bonuses to any gun platform and does a crap amount of damage regardless of what you put on.

So stay on topic.


Why do you need plates on a PvE ship?


*EDIT*

Originally by: Delucian
Edited by: Delucian on 09/08/2011 19:08:37
God, I do not know why I ever try to get any useful input from anyone on this forum with idiots like you guys being the only ones who post.

I doubt either one of you have ever tried to fit this ship, but you both have useless comments.

Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE. (one fit has a repper, the other is passive)

Webbers for PVE, also a no. (web for PVE to slow small ships so there is a potential for hitting with a ship that has no drones)

NOS for PVE also a no. (just fillin a hole, and supplimenting cap)

The list of no's is very very very long. (post what you think is right genius)

This will die a quick quick quick death in PVE. (funny, ran something similar with lasers and it worked just fine - your skills must suck)

Wow... After seeing this response you really don't deserve any help from anyone. Your attitude is nearly worse than your Maller fits.

Listen carefully and use your brain.

1) You do not run missions with plates on your ship. EVER. Plates serve no purpose in mission PvE. They have their places in Sleeper/Incursion PvE; but never should a mission ship be plated. A maller WITHOUT plates would need to be hit for nearly 14,000 damage to die in one hit if properly tanked.

Why is this? Simple really, in 99.9999% of missions with proper research you will know what damage is being done to you; in which case you can selectively choose to resist said damage. Also, in 99.99999% of missions you will never encounter NPC ships with the capability of one shotting your ship if you are fitted with the correct tank. What this means is that a proper PvE ship will try to TANK incoming damage and REPAIR it. If a NPC shoots you for 300 damage, you then repair that 300 damage. At no point will having "extra health" save you unless you are doing it wrong; which clearly you are.

As the poster so aptly stated: Plates are a No.

2) Nos doesn't work in PvE, NPC's don't have the same type of capacitors that we do. And even if they do work (which they don't) it'll work to such a negligible degree that its a complete waste of time. Besides, the NPC's shouldn't even be alive long enough for you to nos them in the level of missions you'll be running in a Maller.

Nos is a no.

3) Your attitude sucks, and clearly you don't know much about this game. You did the right thing by asking questions; you did the wrong thing by disregarding people who gave you legitimate criticism.

Your attitude is a no. And YES your fits are bad.



QFT

To be brutally honest, If you don't know how to fit properly a cruiser for PVE, maybe you should go back to lvl 1 with a frigate. You will spare money in place of DIAF and you will spare us rage on this forum.

You have only 2 possibilities ; first the ship/fit you try isn't the best for the purpose, or second, this is your skills/irl skills.

EDIT :
Failfit is fail. Putting faction mods on a PVE T1 cruiser is fail.

Starfellow Hawke
Posted - 2011.08.10 10:27:00 - [16]
 

To the OP...

Don't let them get to you. I'm training T2 BEAM lasers to fit on a Maller to run LvL3's...


Flame away.

Delucian
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:26:00 - [17]
 

Oh I don't let them get me down.

No one seemed to notice that the name of the thread was "monkeying around with a maller"..

I love all the self-expressed experts that tell you stay with this cookie cutter fit and never play the game for the other possibilities.

@ sheep!

Faction gear, for those of you who buy it, is actually obtainable through game play and when you have enough in your hanger and no need for the extra ISK you can "play" around with ideas like this.

Fail-response is fail.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.08.10 12:34:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
stuff


While I can live with the general intention and idea of the post, I can't with the details.

1. EHP and buffer is far from irrelevant for pve. However, it's really only applicable on very high end setups, basically a buffer allows you to have an otherwise insufficient tank and rely on your hitpoints lasting until you've managed to kill off enough to match the incoming damage with the little tank you've got.

However, it's typically solved by implants, gang boosters or even rigs at times) and the like rather than a plate - as the setups at hand typically have no more than 2-3 slots for cap/tank, spending one of them on a plate is quite costly. On top of that it's for pve, rather than missions specifically.

2. I've admitably not done missions in some time, in fact I've barely logged in the last few months, but unless something has changed, noses do work and NPCs definitely have the same kind of capacitor we do. Aside from it being a terribly underused slot(and a waste of fittings), there's nothing really wrong with nos's for pve. The two main differences regarding cap of NPCs is the virtual lack of regeneration, once you've drained a target, it's drained, and the fact that no cap is ever used as they have no modules.

In fact, they were used a bit while gatecamping earlier, by nossing the billboard, once it drained, you'd shoot it and it'd have a brand fresh new 1k cap.

3. Agreed.

(

Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:38:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
2) Nos doesn't work in PvE, NPC's don't have the same type of capacitors that we do. And even if they do work (which they don't) it'll work to such a negligible degree that its a complete waste of time. Besides, the NPC's shouldn't even be alive long enough for you to nos them in the level of missions you'll be running in a Maller.

Nos is a no.


This is only partly true.

Capacitors of NPCs do not work in the same way as capacitors of player ships - that much is true.

However when you drain them two things happen:

1) You get cap - incidentally this is the primary reason why you want a NOS on a PVE ship, to get cap.
2) Their ships are less effective - this is more of a blanket effect rather than a "complete shutdown of vital functions when out of cap" but NPCs which are neuted or nossed are somewhat more vulnerable and deal a little less damage. I would not count on this much though.

Taron Hakard
Posted - 2011.08.10 14:06:00 - [20]
 

NOS works in PvE. I don't know why you'd bother with the Maller if you can use a passive shield tanked Arbitrator and afk breeze through L2s and L3s while you train for an L4 boat. Might not be what you're looking for, but i'm just putting it out there.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.08.10 14:50:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Sader Rykane on 10/08/2011 14:59:58
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Sader Rykane
stuff


While I can live with the general intention and idea of the post, I can't with the details.

1. EHP and buffer is far from irrelevant for pve. However, it's really only applicable on very high end setups, basically a buffer allows you to have an otherwise insufficient tank and rely on your hitpoints lasting until you've managed to kill off enough to match the incoming damage with the little tank you've got.



However, it's typically solved by implants, gang boosters or even rigs at times) and the like rather than a plate - as the setups at hand typically have no more than 2-3 slots for cap/tank, spending one of them on a plate is quite costly. On top of that it's for pve, rather than missions specifically.



Note that I chose my words carefully here. I did not say "buffer" I said plates as shield ships in PvE generally sport a little buffer (LSE); and I added qualifiers for Incursions and Wormhole space where you can be alpha'd to dust.

*EDIT*

Also keep in mind that considering the NOS changes; it's not actually possible to drain an NPC dry unless your cap is completely gone due to the fact that NoS does not go below your current capacitor level.

But tbh; no one actually 100% understands the voodoo magic that goes on inside NPC ships.

Veronica Kerrigan
Minmatar
Hand Of Midas
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
Posted - 2011.08.10 15:29:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Delucian
Edited by: Delucian on 09/08/2011 19:08:37
God, I do not know why I ever try to get any useful input from anyone on this forum with idiots like you guys being the only ones who post.

I doubt either one of you have ever tried to fit this ship, but you both have useless comments.

Say no to plates, get reppers for PVE. (one fit has a repper, the other is passive)

Webbers for PVE, also a no. (web for PVE to slow small ships so there is a potential for hitting with a ship that has no drones)

NOS for PVE also a no. (just fillin a hole, and supplimenting cap)

The list of no's is very very very long. (post what you think is right genius)

This will die a quick quick quick death in PVE. (funny, ran something similar with lasers and it worked just fine - your skills must suck)


You sir deserve a High five.

Ray Parez
Posted - 2011.08.10 15:37:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane


2) Nos doesn't work in PvE, NPC's don't have the same type of capacitors that we do. And even if they do work (which they don't) it'll work to such a negligible degree that its a complete waste of time. Besides, the NPC's shouldn't even be alive long enough for you to nos them in the level of missions you'll be running in a Maller.

Nos is a no.





Actually, NOS do work in missions, I would argue they work better simply because NPC's don't have real capacitors, so they can never be lower than your own. Incidentally, you don't even have to NOS an NPC ship, it's possible to get cap from large collidable structures. Noses are very useful in missions, and are what allows the tempest I use when missioning with a buddy to work. Mkae sure your facts are right before you call someone an idiot.

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.08.10 16:28:00 - [24]
 

Plates and a repper on a PVE fit? Awesome!

T1 Autocannons that can't use barrage? Brilliant!

Mixture of T1 Damage Control, Fitting Mod (I know they're not always bad but dear lord, if you can avoid them good)? Wicked!

Snarky and self-righteous OPtard? Good heavens, I believe we've collected the set!

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.08.10 16:32:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Gorki Andropov on 10/08/2011 16:36:03
There's nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box. After all, genius is often born of this way.

However, there is a thin line between experimentation and downright cluelessness.


e: thought I'd reply to the dross coming out of your mouth.


Quote:
Being brutally honest, no they are not.

Its a tank fit, with AC's on a ship that has no bonuses to any gun platform and does a crap amount of damage regardless of what you put on.

So stay on topic.



If this is for PVE, as you say, you are clearly either quite a new player or just clueless. What good would a buffer fit do? How is my reponse not on topic - you asked which one I would choose, I told you...sorry you didn't like the answer, but I guess we can't all be mature individuals and deal with situations that don't necessarily go our own way.

I have a sneaking suspicion that you just threw those Dark Blood EANMs on there and wanted to bask in the adoration of people thinking "OMG, look, he's using two mid-to-low-level faction mods, he must be awesome".


And that is me being brutally honest.

Awoxina Dojona
Posted - 2011.08.23 16:26:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Delucian
See notes above - Good God!


THIS JUST IN

New guy preaching epic-failbear fit prays to God for help ..
God does'nt answer.

More at 10
Back to you Ron...

Mabah Vin
Posted - 2011.08.24 17:07:00 - [27]
 

I think alot are missing the point of the thread..

He said 'MONKEYING' around.

I've loaded up the Maller with autocannons II..

Why?

Because I could.

For more grins and chuckles, take an Executioner into a drug outlet or 'refuge'.

Buzz around and see how many you can get as they respawn..and respawn..and respawn...

If you want some serious laughs, put an autocannon with a salvager on a Mammouth, tank that bad boy and go ballistic.

This is a game and there is no prizes except having fun.



 

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