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Quebber
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:49:00 - [1]
 

Hi all,
I am fortunate to have found a pretty good alliance to rent from (Legion of xXDeathXx) the people are interesting and pretty much treat you with respect, all in all our renting experience as a small corp has been great.

But in the past, being a pvp grunt in some larger alliances especially western alliances the attitude towards renters stunk, I have no affiliation to the russian political in game wars but after alot of investigation and experience they were the only people I could even consider taking my friends to.

My past experience I saw alot of unused systems where a small corp of 10-20 people could flourish but the alliance in the area had no real interest in filling that void.

So why such a bad rap for renters ? We provide money for your war machine (I was renting two systems in Kavella = 805m per week yes that was alot and mainly due to wanting to try sov ect we pay alot less now), intel on the system maybe even if you are lucky people wanting to come join your pvp wars.

I understand we did not "fight and die" to gain that system but after the fighting is over what then ?

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:59:00 - [2]
 

Renters are seen as weak players, to many EVE is about carving out your own destiny by making friends&enemies and to advance through your actions. It's not very difficult to be welcomed into 0.0 while not being a renter, you have to be semi-capable and be able to interact with others a bit while having a spine and some dignity.

Therefore people who choose to rent instead of being an active, contributing part are seen as non-effort zero-knowledge morons who aren't worth your attention.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:02:00 - [3]
 

3rd class ? In your dreams. Razz

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:11:00 - [4]
 

Renters generally do not have to put anything but money into any war effort, some don't even have to defend their own space. Other alliances that put ships on the line to win territory may hold a little animosity towards renters, especially those alliances who had initial agreements to gain certain systems for their efforts in a war, and when the fighting was over, the space they were to gain was instead given to a renter alliance.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:16:00 - [5]
 

Well, without going into too much detail... Renters are generally incompetent scrubs that think they have done all they need to do by paying their rent each week/month. They are generally a liability in fleet ops. If you can even get them organised enough to fleet up they likely will bring absolutely godawful ships and fits and slow the gang down. Further they often make easy victims to roaming PVP gangs so the more renters you have, the more your region gets visited by skirmish gangs.

A lot of renters think they are buying the right to PVE in peace with a personal army on hand to squish any threats and will become petulant when asked to do anything else because ~ WE HAVE PAID OUR MONEY NOW LEAVE US ALONE ~

Morbidusk Yotosala
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:36:00 - [6]
 

As one that is currently in a renter alliance/corp I must say that many of the post by folks about renters has been although with some substance is mostly unfair, incorrect and for the most part misinformed.

I dont know about most other renter corps, but I do know for a fact. That WE Rookie Empire will always defend our own space. We know we are "renters" and have made the efforts to improve our relations in 0.0 as well as showing the "neighborhood" that we arent afraid to pvp. We love to PVP and are in HED-GP everyday.

So HED-GP 0.0 not real PVP now? It's funny, alot of you vets who have the tons of isk and have been in so many wars and battles. Most of you.. ARE HI-SEC carebare. Wardecing Hi-sec games. Who gives a **** about that.. The real grit is in 0.0..
REAL 0.0, not NPC controlled 0.0 cause you might as well be a renter then too. Since you would've done nothing to get the sovirenty(sp).

So even as a 0.0 renter, in my opinion and from the general consensus on Hi-sec,low-sec compared to null.. All that time in Hi-sec playing station games and being concorded with suicide ganks.. Whack, come to 0.0 where you are declaring your PVP outright.. instead of hiding behind CCP concord and your knowledge of in-game mechanics to protect yourselves while you "pvp" lol...

Until you posters are in 0.0 and not hi-sec/low-sec concord, station gaming. You let us 0.0 renters know and we'll be sure to get some crappy fits for you to get easy killmails with.. hmmmkay..?

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:39:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Thornat on 09/08/2011 12:39:52
Edited by: Thornat on 09/08/2011 12:39:10
Originally by: Lady Spank
Well, without going into too much detail... Renters are generally incompetent scrubs that think they have done all they need to do by paying their rent each week/month. They are generally a liability in fleet ops. If you can even get them organised enough to fleet up they likely will bring absolutely godawful ships and fits and slow the gang down. Further they often make easy victims to roaming PVP gangs so the more renters you have, the more your region gets visited by skirmish gangs.

A lot of renters think they are buying the right to PVE in peace with a personal army on hand to squish any threats and will become petulant when asked to do anything else because ~ WE HAVE PAID OUR MONEY NOW LEAVE US ALONE ~


Not that I disagree with you, because I don't nescessarly, but just to play devils advocate here. If you pay for a service and an agreement is constructed, isn't everyone obligated (assuming their is any such thing as honor in the game) to meet that obligation. I mean as an alliance if you accept renters, you accept the burden that they bring on the systems you control, ****ting on them after the fact or suddenly demanding fleet formation or other such nonsense that was not agreed upon turns renting from a legitimate thing into the territory of a typical Eve scam.

I think what he is saying, or how he would answer your question is .. yes ... thats exactly what it means. We paid, now leave us alone.. its what we paid for.

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:43:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Morbidusk Yotosala
...stuff...


What do YOU mean, 'You people'?

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:47:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Morbidusk Yotosala
As one that is currently in a renter alliance/corp I must say that many of the post by folks about renters has been although with some substance is mostly unfair, incorrect and for the most part misinformed.

I dont know about most other renter corps, but I do know for a fact. That WE Rookie Empire will always defend our own space. We know we are "renters" and have made the efforts to improve our relations in 0.0 as well as showing the "neighborhood" that we arent afraid to pvp. We love to PVP and are in HED-GP everyday.

So HED-GP 0.0 not real PVP now? It's funny, alot of you vets who have the tons of isk and have been in so many wars and battles. Most of you.. ARE HI-SEC carebare. Wardecing Hi-sec games. Who gives a **** about that.. The real grit is in 0.0..
REAL 0.0, not NPC controlled 0.0 cause you might as well be a renter then too. Since you would've done nothing to get the sovirenty(sp).

So even as a 0.0 renter, in my opinion and from the general consensus on Hi-sec,low-sec compared to null.. All that time in Hi-sec playing station games and being concorded with suicide ganks.. Whack, come to 0.0 where you are declaring your PVP outright.. instead of hiding behind CCP concord and your knowledge of in-game mechanics to protect yourselves while you "pvp" lol...

Until you posters are in 0.0 and not hi-sec/low-sec concord, station gaming. You let us 0.0 renters know and we'll be sure to get some crappy fits for you to get easy killmails with.. hmmmkay..?


Amsterdam Conversations
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:50:00 - [10]
 

Do like 90% of sov PVP corps, recruit two PVPers and an FC, have the other 100 players filled with carebears, then join a sov PVP alliance.

Morbidusk Yotosala
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:58:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Morbidusk Yotosala on 09/08/2011 12:58:49
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Originally by: Morbidusk Yotosala
As one that is currently in a renter alliance/corp I must say that many of the post by folks about renters has been although with some substance is mostly unfair, incorrect and for the most part misinformed.

I dont know about most other renter corps, but I do know for a fact. That WE Rookie Empire will always defend our own space. We know we are "renters" and have made the efforts to improve our relations in 0.0 as well as showing the "neighborhood" that we arent afraid to pvp. We love to PVP and are in HED-GP everyday.

So HED-GP 0.0 not real PVP now? It's funny, alot of you vets who have the tons of isk and have been in so many wars and battles. Most of you.. ARE HI-SEC carebare. Wardecing Hi-sec games. Who gives a **** about that.. The real grit is in 0.0..
REAL 0.0, not NPC controlled 0.0 cause you might as well be a renter then too. Since you would've done nothing to get the sovirenty(sp).

So even as a 0.0 renter, in my opinion and from the general consensus on Hi-sec,low-sec compared to null.. All that time in Hi-sec playing station games and being concorded with suicide ganks.. Whack, come to 0.0 where you are declaring your PVP outright.. instead of hiding behind CCP concord and your knowledge of in-game mechanics to protect yourselves while you "pvp" lol...

Until you posters are in 0.0 and not hi-sec/low-sec concord, station gaming. You let us 0.0 renters know and we'll be sure to get some crappy fits for you to get easy killmails with.. hmmmkay..?




Thanks for linking the killboard of my main money maker and not that of my PvP alt..

EPIC fail carebare... EPIC fail..

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:04:00 - [12]
 

You will probably not get many serious answers in this forum. But I'll try to answer, from the perspective of neither a renter nor a renting alliance.

As you said, renters can be a rich source of ISK for the renting alliance. However the relationship usually ends at that: you are little more than a machine which spits out X bilion per month. There is no incentive for either side to develop any deeper relationships, as, generally, people pay for the systems because they don't have the power to hold them. Therefore they wouldn't be useful to the renting alliance in battle anyway.

You will be always treated as second class by other alliances however, simply for the fact that you aren't able to hold your own, and your alliance wouldn't exist in 0.0 were it not for the renting alliance. This is something you will have to live with...

In my opinion, if the renting alliance treats their renters badly, they are likely to lose a significant source of ISK sooner or later.

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Magnus Veyr on 09/08/2011 13:17:37
Originally by: Morbidusk Yotosala
Thanks for linking the killboard of my main money maker and not that of my PvP alt..

EPIC fail carebare... EPIC fail..


No one who has a clue fits that ******ed, not even on a throwaway alt.

Oh sweet jezus!. Look, there's nothing wrong with being new to the game, that in and of itself isn't a crime at all. But don't come here then with a big mouth about how special you are, because you'll just look an idiot.

In fact, crap fits like that is how ppl end up in renter alliances.

Quebber
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:29:00 - [14]
 

I think colouring all renters with the same brush does a great diservice.

I personally believe my little corp is worth more than alot of corps I have seen out there with 100+ members.

11 active players all except 1 I have known for 8+ years, all except 1 new to eve but with a past history of playing/coding muds (precursor to modern mmo's).

All of them willing to drop there pve ship and get into a pvp ship at a moments notice (I have a little pvp knowledge myself both in Quebber and my now sold char Rho Legate) pretty much every corp joined I managed to get into the top 5 on the kill boards, so teaching them all the basics is fun.

Not much to kill around where we are atm (I won't undock the fleet against 17-20 enemies atleast not until I have schooled my friends on the finer points of wolfpacks and hit/run sniping)but that is okay it gives a breathing time for me to make sure everyone is up to par.

It is a pity because anyone who knows me from the last couple of years pvp will know the idea of 10 people new to eve that I have taught to work together as a team and shared my crazy knowledge of tactics, special ops and pvp would be fun to have around.

I just refuse to be in anyone elses corp except my own even with our small size :)








Metal Icarus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:34:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Magnus Veyr

No one who has a clue fits that ******ed, not even on a throwaway alt.

[Faction fail]Oh sweet jezus! Look, there's nothing wrong with being new to the game, that in and of itself isn't a crime at all. But don't come here then with a big mouth about how special you are, because you'll just look an idiot.

In fact, crap fits like that is how ppl end up in renter alliances.


*Tries to search up Magnus up on battleclinic* I'd pick on one of your losses but...

"No match found" post with something that has a killboard, you arguement will have more weight.

also, vouching for Morbids pvp alt,he has one (not me)

Morbidusk Yotosala
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:43:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
You will probably not get many serious answers in this forum. But I'll try to answer, from the perspective of neither a renter nor a renting alliance.

As you said, renters can be a rich source of ISK for the renting alliance. However the relationship usually ends at that: you are little more than a machine which spits out X bilion per month. There is no incentive for either side to develop any deeper relationships, as, generally, people pay for the systems because they don't have the power to hold them. Therefore they wouldn't be useful to the renting alliance in battle anyway.

You will be always treated as second class by other alliances however, simply for the fact that you aren't able to hold your own, and your alliance wouldn't exist in 0.0 were it not for the renting alliance. This is something you will have to live with...

In my opinion, if the renting alliance treats their renters badly, they are likely to lose a significant source of ISK sooner or later.


THIS..

ALSO: Obviously Magnus now has a hard on for me, and has begun to post deaths from nearly 3months ago on a 4mo toon but the fact remains. Not ALL renters fit into what the stero-typical thought process you percieve renters to have. We are RENTERS for reasons obvious to most. We have enough ambition not to be some hi-sec carebare thigy, or some gank-get-killed-by-concord-for-lolz entity.. BUT we don't particularly have the NUMBERS or KNOWLEDGE to hold our own SOV without constant conflict. So what do we do.. RENT..

At the same time don't think since you get mAdz Kielz in hi-sec that you are leet and know how to hold SOV, the same for low. Simply put that **** is NOT, I repeat NOT actual PVP.. it is PVP per game-mechanics and FW and all that good stuff, but be honest with yourselves.You are killing ships, knowing damn well your ****s going to get blown up.. You are pussin-out before the fight even begins. Cowardice! and in some alliances damn near desertion. Lol..In fact if you hold NO 0.0 what so whatever. Why are you even posting things about this? LOL. We got our piece of 0.0 How bout you?


You should know exactly what renters are there for.. To make money and and give you isky to let them while you just perhaps would realize to watch their backs to a certain extent while their doing so. Why? Because more than likely you are making a good sum of those renters. In the billions and high billions for those renter corps that don't at least TRY to put some effort in to defend systems. Aren't renter systems technically part of your own network of systems? so why wouldn't you defend to some degree..


RAW23
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank


A lot of renters think they are buying the right to PVE in peace with a personal army on hand to squish any threats and will become petulant when asked to do anything else because ~ WE HAVE PAID OUR MONEY NOW LEAVE US ALONE ~


Isn't this exactly what they are paying for? Or does it vary from alliance to alliance? I had always understood it as a pur business relationship as the name implies but do some alliances have expectations of their renters beyond just rent?

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:54:00 - [18]
 

The reason why most people "look down" on renters is because most renters are massive carebears that only migrated to 0.0 to earn ISK. They are usually not interested in PVP (even when it comes to defending their home - that's why they're renters after all) nor any other form of serious player interaction/team work.

Of course this is a huge generalization. I'm sure there are many renters that are way better at PVP then many alliance people (especially alliances like NC with 33'000 members of which 32'900 are/were full time carebears themselves).

But in general renters are at the shallow end of the "0.0 elite" pool and thus they are not respected as full members in their own rights (which makes sense to some degree - they're paying some entity to do most of the "work" for them after all).

Morbidusk Yotosala
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:58:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Morbidusk Yotosala on 09/08/2011 14:04:14
Edited by: Morbidusk Yotosala on 09/08/2011 14:02:15
Originally by: Alissa Solette
The reason why most people "look down" on renters is because most renters are massive carebears that only migrated to 0.0 to earn ISK. They are usually not interested in PVP (even when it comes to defending their home - that's why they're renters after all) nor any other form of serious player interaction/team work.

Of course this is a huge generalization. I'm sure there are many renters that are way better at PVP then many alliance people (especially alliances like NC with 33'000 members of which 32'900 are/were full time carebears themselves).

But in general renters are at the shallow end of the "0.0 elite" pool and thus they are not respected as full members in their own rights (which makes sense to some degree - they're paying some entity to do most of the "work" for them after all).


THIS ONE..

And I'm now feeling complete... for now.. :) ... You'd be kind of surprised how it works to a renters benefit most times. "Appearing" weak with the perception that your corp has no knowledge of PvP. Self-preservation I think it applies somewhat to this game model with SOV. systems. Renters have this quality also. Which lends to them assiting in MASS pvp operations. Even if its just cannon-fodder.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:06:00 - [20]
 

from what i heard from western world you only get respect there if you are black refugee from Africa, gay or other kind of a "special person". Laughing

seriously i was feeling the same as OP when i was in corp inside IT alliance. Main fear was "they can move as to renters division so take your ships and go to CTA!!!"
Have no ideas why it is. Hovewer i was never feeling bad about leaving that alliance few weeks before they lost space i was living in. What goes around comes around.

Quebber
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Alissa Solette
The reason why most people "look down" on renters is because most renters are massive carebears that only migrated to 0.0 to earn ISK. They are usually not interested in PVP (even when it comes to defending their home - that's why they're renters after all) nor any other form of serious player interaction/team work.

Of course this is a huge generalization. I'm sure there are many renters that are way better at PVP then many alliance people (especially alliances like NC with 33'000 members of which 32'900 are/were full time carebears themselves).

But in general renters are at the shallow end of the "0.0 elite" pool and thus they are not respected as full members in their own rights (which makes sense to some degree - they're paying some entity to do most of the "work" for them after all).


I understand that, I have been in alliances for pvp sov warfare etc for about 2 years in my multiple characters, became jaded and needed a break (if you check my boards http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Rho+Legate until november last year and http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Quebber until about 3 months ago)
You will see I have most definetly paid my dues in 0.0 but being both opinionated :) and blessed with a little common sense I decided to back to my roots and addict some friends to EVE.

Wanted to ease them into 0.0, a rented system in drone regions with the amount of mineral worth allowed for us to build up a huge stock of ships/items, not risk free but seen as my friends are only 2 months into the game max it was fun to try out sov and build some deathstars and indie pos.

we are most definetly going to be concentrating more on pvp now. But I have only taken them out on a few practice roams and gate camps (pickings are rather slim up here unless you want to tangle with a large group).


Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Lady Spank


A lot of renters think they are buying the right to PVE in peace with a personal army on hand to squish any threats and will become petulant when asked to do anything else because ~ WE HAVE PAID OUR MONEY NOW LEAVE US ALONE ~


Isn't this exactly what they are paying for? Or does it vary from alliance to alliance? I had always understood it as a pur business relationship as the name implies but do some alliances have expectations of their renters beyond just rent?


It varies from alliance to alliance, and from renter to renter.

Some renters just want to PvE in peace. Other renters want to PvE, but also want to learn how to PvP too.

However, renters are given a bad rep because they tend to be incompetent, regardless if they try to PvP or not.

Maziy
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:13:00 - [23]
 

Are you:

A. Having fun?
B. Making ISK?
C. Capitalizing on growing your corp while paying for use of a system or systems while also not having to worry entirely too much on the defense of said system(s)?

Good, you're doing it right.


Are you:

A. Really concerned with what anyone in this spaceship video game thinks about you while you're enjoying yourself?
B. Even bothering to read/internalize the replies to a very weak and overly concerned image issue of a post?
C. Serious?

If so, you're doing it wrong, and should promptly buy monocles and boots to boost your e-esteem. You should also require all corp members to be monocled up as well. This might offset the horrible tragedy of an existence as a renter/3rd rate citizen who enjoys all of the benefits of zerosec with almost no liability. Just terrible.


Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:18:00 - [24]
 

Now that you have seen the extended reasons let me give you the short version.

PvP'rs hate industrial's and ratters.
If you are not PvPing you are a waste of space.

That is not my personal opinion but it is the opinion of a good 80% of 0.0

Now you know.

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:41:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Alissa Solette on 09/08/2011 14:53:02
Originally by: Quebber
we are most definetly going to be concentrating more on pvp now. But I have only taken them out on a few practice roams and gate camps (pickings are rather slim up here unless you want to tangle with a large group).


IMHO this is exactly how a renter corp can evolve to become more then your average renters corp.

I think renters mainly have such a "bad name" because people generally only remember their bad experiences with renters. If you're on the way to a CTA and fly past 5 ratting renters then you can be sure that these 5 dudes will make a much bigger impression then the other 15 renters that were in the CTA fleet themselves, fighting for their home.

It's the same as with foreigners in real life - you don't even notice the 50k immigrants that always pay their taxes and act normally... it's the 500 morons that make the bad impressions (and thereby cast the other 99% in a bad light as well).

I think anyone who's opinion is worth anything will not categorically dismiss all renters as "useless carebears" - especially if the renter corp is showing that they can also pull their weight to a certain degree and are not just there for the quick $$$ (like you're doing by running PVP fleets for your members etc.).

I also started out in a renter corp when I first ventured out into 0.0. And I'm also not ashamed to admit that I mainly moved because I wanted to earn ISK faster/easier. Thankfully the renter corp I joined was very interested in team work and group activities so it was actually a great way to get "a foot in the door" as it were.

Later we joined an alliance as full members (thanks to our fairly decent killboard stats and thanks to being noticed) and from there we were in a good position to work our way up the ranks.

So don't give up and don't take too much **** from your (Russian) "overlords". Just because most renter corps suck doesn't mean they all do.

It's also a good training for your newer members to build up a "thicker skin" (which they can surely use well for their later EVE life). Wink

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:42:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Morbidusk Yotosala
At the same time don't think since you get mAdz Kielz in hi-sec that you are leet and know how to hold SOV, the same for low. Simply put that **** is NOT, I repeat NOT actual PVP.. it is PVP per game-mechanics and FW and all that good stuff, but be honest with yourselves.You are killing ships, knowing damn well your ****s going to get blown up.. You are pussin-out before the fight even begins. Cowardice! and in some alliances damn near desertion. Lol..In fact if you hold NO 0.0 what so whatever. Why are you even posting things about this? LOL. We got our piece of 0.0 How bout you?


Where do you get the impression that I PVP in high sec? I'd really like to know that one. And even if; hiding in a fleet following orders isn't exactly mad pvp either. Still, lets go back to your atrocious fittings, because that obviously shows you really don't have a clue. My kills being absent is easily explained by me being a posting alt (guess why that is), but better no recorded losses as crap fit ones while leeching onto kills with 0-2% damage.

You talk a lot but the facts show a different story.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:45:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Where do you get the impression that I PVP in high sec? I'd really like to know that one. And even if; hiding in a fleet following orders isn't exactly mad pvp either. Still, lets go back to your atrocious fittings, because that obviously shows you really don't have a clue. My kills being absent is easily explained by me being a posting alt (guess why that is), but better no recorded losses as crap fit ones while leeching onto kills with 0-2% damage.

You talk a lot but the facts show a different story.


Where do you get the impression that fitting whatever battleclinic/your corp/alliance tells you to is mad pvp?

Magnus Veyr
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:53:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Magnus Veyr on 09/08/2011 14:55:11
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Where do you get the impression that I PVP in high sec? I'd really like to know that one. And even if; hiding in a fleet following orders isn't exactly mad pvp either. Still, lets go back to your atrocious fittings, because that obviously shows you really don't have a clue. My kills being absent is easily explained by me being a posting alt (guess why that is), but better no recorded losses as crap fit ones while leeching onto kills with 0-2% damage.

You talk a lot but the facts show a different story.


Where do you get the impression that fitting whatever battleclinic/your corp/alliance tells you to is mad pvp?


Fits are an easy way to tell if the pilot had at least an understanding of combat in EVE (or at the very least was capable of listening to his FC and bring the right ship). No more and no less.

So if someone loses a Daredevil with a faction cap recharger and web, a long range point but a small neut, an unnamed T1 armor rep and no speedmod then you just know he's not on the ball when it comes to fittings and pvp and should probably not boast too much about his pvp prowess. I'm sure you realise the logic in that one.

Morbidusk Yotosala
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:12:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Morbidusk Yotosala on 09/08/2011 15:17:29
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Edited by: Magnus Veyr on 09/08/2011 14:55:11
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Magnus Veyr
Where do you get the impression that I PVP in high sec? I'd really like to know that one. And even if; hiding in a fleet following orders isn't exactly mad pvp either. Still, lets go back to your atrocious fittings, because that obviously shows you really don't have a clue. My kills being absent is easily explained by me being a posting alt (guess why that is), but better no recorded losses as crap fit ones while leeching onto kills with 0-2% damage.

You talk a lot but the facts show a different story.


Where do you get the impression that fitting whatever battleclinic/your corp/alliance tells you to is mad pvp?



Fits are an easy way to tell if the pilot had at least an understanding of combat in EVE (or at the very least was capable of listening to his FC and bring the right ship). No more and no less.

So if someone loses a Daredevil with a faction cap recharger and web, a long range point but a small neut, an unnamed T1 armor rep and no speedmod then you just know he's not on the ball when it comes to fittings and pvp and should probably not boast too much about his pvp prowess. I'm sure you realise the logic in that one.


Magnus you're being silly now.. I've stated that is my money making alt. He rarely does any PVP. My PVP alt. I fly more so than Morbid since I only need to fly him to make money really. Secondly, I lost that Daredevil. I think the fit was decent, considering I paid nothing for the mods and got them off drops. in my nice 0.0 paid system that I get some protection for as well as get to defend along with surrounding "blue" systems when I feel(all the time). AmIrite?

I could tell you about that fight, and my DD actually was the reason that he didnt get away per my (web bonus + plus faction = not bad right?) and we got the kill I believe. Old death more than 90 days. That's big gap of time between to gain some knowledge eh? Not important.

You however sir, have nothing to prove. At least I've shown I operate in 0.0 and have shed some blood for the cause. Well I didn't show, you needlessly went to Battleclinic for fits when we were talking about Renters being 3rd class citizens if you don't remember or even bother to acknowledge as the topic of the thread.

If you don't like Renters don't deal with them, if you even have 0.0 Sov.. Lol.. Can't rent out your one lonely system now can you. If you're fotunate enough to have more "competent" and capable renters more power to you. If not, their renters. There's not much to expect from them except a flashy flashy on rent-day.

I'd love to know where you hold Sov, Mag. Right now, you just seem to be a carebare, or NPC/Drone space null'er..

Lord Wiggin
Gallente
Furian Necromongers
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:16:00 - [30]
 

Renters don't even register.
Bottom line is, renters as a whole are useless to the average SOV holder. The can't help defend, usually attract gangs due to their lack of experience and they have no sense of humor. Cool

If you don't like being a renter, learn to fight and join a real alliance. Embarassed



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