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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.08.09 04:39:00 - [1]
 


Proposal: Change the Overview Column "Size" into "Signature Radius"

The size of a ship is a static attribute based on the ship type. Realistically, this means the size column is practically a waste of space. While we can turn the column off, I think we would be better served to change the attribute displayed from size to signature radius.

These are the two major Pros to Replacing the Size column with Signature Radius:

I.) You have a much better indication of how well your weapons will hit, as signature radius is directly related to the combat with bombs, turrets, and missiles. This also lets you better assess the impact your target painters have.

II.) It gives juicy intel on how a target ship is fitted. Since shield extenders and shield rigs increase a ships signature size, you can make an educated guess how a ship is fitted.

This is relevant to PvE'ers, Grief'ers, and PvP'ers alike. The Above-and-Beyond Carebears will surely use this information to improve their weapon efficiency, reduce plex dps, or something more creative than I can think of. Suicide Gankers would love to have this information, as it indicates how many shield extenders that industrial or mining barge has. Finally, Pew-Pew'ers should positively drool over this, as it will indicate whether that <insert ship type like Rapier/Cane/etc> is shield tanked vs (probably) armor tanked. This is wonderful information to have prior to engaging, as you can pre-load the optimal ammo, and better assess ships to be primaried.

People often ridicule EvE as a game that lacks skill. I vehemently disagree, but I'll concede it depends on how you define skill; EvE is not a twitch game. In relation to EvE, I define skill as the application of knowledge to repeatedly achieve a positive result. By switching the ship size column to represent signature radius, you will increase the knowledge available to players. Your Pro-players will undoubtedly use this knowledge to excel.


Zi'Boo
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:38:00 - [2]
 

You've just put in a whole list of why not to implement such feature...

If you really want to replace it with signature radius, than it would have to be ships base signature radius.
If you want more info - fit a ship scanner.

Or would you rather like to be able to see whole ship fit and cargo hold contents on the overview or directional scanner?

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront

Posted - 2011.08.09 12:44:00 - [3]
 

That is how I thought it worked a few years ago when I tried it, signature is the logical metric to use for size as we already have the 'size icon' column available.

Would play havoc on overview if sorting for size in a furball fight with MWD's going on/off all the time Very Happy

Ender Malikite
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2011.08.10 14:34:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Zi'Boo
You've just put in a whole list of why not to implement such feature...

If you really want to replace it with signature radius, than it would have to be ships base signature radius.
If you want more info - fit a ship scanner.

Or would you rather like to be able to see whole ship fit and cargo hold contents on the overview or directional scanner?


There is still plenty of ambiguity in a ship's fitting even if you know ship's current signature radius. In my experience, ships scanners are used to look for smartbombs, cyno's, and bling. I don't think this will infringe upon their use in a significant manner.

It is extra intel for free, but I think providing this intel will improve game play.

John Blank
Posted - 2011.08.12 15:21:00 - [5]
 


Friendly Bump....

and supported..

Although not a lot of people seem to care about this suggestion....

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.13 16:41:00 - [6]
 

In particular, I'd like to see the ability to make custom columns derived from two other columns. For example, multiplying the target's angular velocity by their signature radius gives you the exact stat to which your turrets are compared for tracking purposes. That'd be quite useful to have.

But in the absence of that, it'd be helpful to at least know the sig radius short of looking stuff up in a database.

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.

Posted - 2011.08.14 15:24:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ender Malikite
Originally by: Zi'Boo
You've just put in a whole list of why not to implement such feature...

If you really want to replace it with signature radius, than it would have to be ships base signature radius.
If you want more info - fit a ship scanner.

Or would you rather like to be able to see whole ship fit and cargo hold contents on the overview or directional scanner?


There is still plenty of ambiguity in a ship's fitting even if you know ship's current signature radius. In my experience, ships scanners are used to look for smartbombs, cyno's, and bling. I don't think this will infringe upon their use in a significant manner.

It is extra intel for free, but I think providing this intel will improve game play.


while it may be "free intel" it would make sense, considering (at least in the real world) radar picks up radar SIGNATURES, thats why stealth bombers look like golf balls on radar, so it would only make sense a "radar" passively active on every ship (as in not a module, sense it should be standard equipment, like life support for the pod) would pick up and relay details on signature radius from nearby ships...

James Duar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.14 15:34:00 - [8]
 

If you wanted to balance it then you could also simply add a "mass" column which would give similar information about someone armor tanking.

Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.15 03:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Zi'Boo
You've just put in a whole list of why not to implement such feature...

If you really want to replace it with signature radius, than it would have to be ships base signature radius.
If you want more info - fit a ship scanner.
I'm not necessarily opposed to the original proposal, but I'd also prefer that this information be rolled into the Ship Scanner module.

Alx Warlord
Posted - 2011.08.15 04:50:00 - [10]
 

Thumbs up for the signature radius column and mass column, if would be great for the WH fleets comanders...


 

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