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baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.11 06:19:00 - [211]
 

Seems to be over. Now come the dawn raidsTwisted Evil

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.11 06:21:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Ultim8Evil
I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.

If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?


The true death toll at this event is horribly undereported and is much higher than 96.

I'd say it would have to be upwards of 5000 as every time the subject of Hillsborough rears it's head anywhere locally (I live in Murkeyside) you get 15 folk all claiming to have lost family or friends there.



Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.11 06:43:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Bane Necran
Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.


IPCC is not part of the police.


Technically true... in reality; not so much.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.08.11 07:40:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 10/08/2011 19:31:58
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Grimpak
I still feel mankind, as a whole, should suffer some sort of cataclysm (meteors coming crashing into us, somebody shooting nukes, bananaphones being released, etc..) so that it could get a culling.

and I do mean a nasty one, back to 1/10th of what we are now.


I'm sure your friends and family appreciate you wishing it'd be a good thing if they died.
hey, if you got to be fair, you got to be fair to everybody.

if I died in said cataclysm, so be it. that would mean that I wasn't worthy.

do I wish it for my family and friends? no, but I don't control who lives or who dies.


Yet by your own words you still think it'd be a positive thing. I dare you to say that to their faces.
in the long run? who knows. at the very least it would wash out a good ammount of filth that we have among us, so yes it would be an improvement. we're too big for our own good.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.11 13:59:00 - [215]
 

I told you! I told you they would use these riots for their advantage!!!

Daily mail

This part...

"Police have been given the right to unmask thugs bringing choas to Britain's streets and measures could be taken to clamp down on social media, David Cameron announced today.

The Prime Minister, in an emergency statement to the Commons on the violence, suggested sites such as Twitter could be closed down during periods of disorder to avoid co-ordinated unrest."

That's what iran does. Welcome to the UK.



Wilhelm Riley
Posted - 2011.08.11 14:05:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Tai Meijer
I told you! I told you they would use these riots for their advantage!!!

Daily mail

This part...

"Police have been given the right to unmask thugs bringing choas to Britain's streets and measures could be taken to clamp down on social media, David Cameron announced today.

The Prime Minister, in an emergency statement to the Commons on the violence, suggested sites such as Twitter could be closed down during periods of disorder to avoid co-ordinated unrest."

That's what iran does. Welcome to the UK.





Why would they care about Twitter when they're willing burning down the only place they can get their dole money?

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.11 14:06:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Tai Meijer
I told you! I told you they would use these riots for their advantage!!!

Daily mail

This part...

"Police have been given the right to unmask thugs bringing choas to Britain's streets and measures could be taken to clamp down on social media, David Cameron announced today.

The Prime Minister, in an emergency statement to the Commons on the violence, suggested sites such as Twitter could be closed down during periods of disorder to avoid co-ordinated unrest."

That's what iran does. Welcome to the UK.





Why would they care about Twitter when they're willing burning down the only place they can get their dole money?


Jobcentres wern't touched, only JD sports and all those other pikey outfits.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.08.11 14:14:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Othran on 11/08/2011 14:14:45
I think its worth reposting this here and I think we'd all be better people if we could be more like Tariq Jahan.

They are the words of a father whose son was murdered in Birmingham (there are videos all over the place of the man). He's appealing for calm a few hours after three people in a car drove over his son and others who were protecting their business :

"I dont blame the police, I dont blame the government. Im a Muslim: I believe in divine fate and destiny. It was his fate, his destiny, and now hes gone, and may Allah forgive him and bless him. Step forward if you want to lose your sons. Otherwise calm down and go home please."

I don't believe in imaginary friends (gods) but how this man watched his son get murdered, performed CPR on him (your own child, its unimaginable horror to a parent) and still have the generosity of spirit to say what he said is almost enough to make you wonder.

What a man.

Citizen20100211442
Minmatar
Carebear Evolution
AEQUITAS.
Posted - 2011.08.11 14:34:00 - [219]
 

20 years more, and every big European city will look like Detroit

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.11 14:42:00 - [220]
 


Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.08.11 15:20:00 - [221]
 

Clive Bloom interviewed by SPIEGEL (GT!)


Bloom: There's always a trigger. Previously, this was really harassment by the police, who was 30 years ago, much more racist than today. Today, the police conduct is only one justification. These kids see the stores with things that they want. It is a huge robbery. Except that not a single person will be deducted, but even a whole business. Then you earn by selling the goods. There is street capitalism - the young people imitate it, do what the bankers at the other end of the spectrum.



whole interview

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.08.11 15:36:00 - [222]
 

Spiegel is still going?! Cripes. Shocked

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:29:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Wilhelm Riley

Why would they care about Twitter when they're willing burning down the only place they can get their dole money?


Don't be daft. All us rioting dole-scum get our bludge paid directly into bank accounts these days... no post-office neccessary.

Anybody want to buy a 52" plasma screen in a slightly singed box?



Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:38:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15
Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.

No worry, make your own - lots of useful links there. Just don't repeat the Brown Bess on the world - that rifle cost you guys 13 colonies.



Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.11 16:48:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15
No worry, make your own - lots of useful links there.



What the ****?

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.11 17:32:00 - [226]
 



Now if all those Twitters in Britain said anything about real important "targets", would the response have been anything like this?




baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.11 17:41:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15
Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.




Bugger me thats some strong right wing American biased reporting going on there. Also some rather big lies too. At no point did the police stand down, they were simply massivly over-extended and unable to move in to arrest people becacue it took everything they had just to hold the lines.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.11 18:00:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: Tai Meijer on 11/08/2011 18:01:25
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15
Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.




Bugger me thats some strong right wing American biased reporting going on there. Also some rather big lies too. At no point did the police stand down, they were simply massivly over-extended and unable to move in to arrest people becacue it took everything they had just to hold the lines.



Rubbish, numerous police blogs from serving coppers have said they were ordered to 'hold the line'.

Watch this for actual proof. From people in the neighbourhoods.

They were 'holding the line' when people were only feet away smashing stuff up. So don't spout such bull please.

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.08.12 00:29:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/08/2011 16:39:15
Don't worry, blokes, it appears that Amazon has your back.

No worry, make your own - lots of useful links there. Just don't repeat the Brown Bess on the world - that rifle cost you guys 13 colonies.





Amazon removed the items because of corporate image, they don't want to be seen arming either rioters or vigilantes. Amazon regularly pulls different goods down to maintain its image so its nothing new.

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.08.12 01:26:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
Clive Bloom interviewed by SPIEGEL (GT!)


Bloom: There's always a trigger. Previously, this was really harassment by the police, who was 30 years ago, much more racist than today. Today, the police conduct is only one justification. These kids see the stores with things that they want. It is a huge robbery. Except that not a single person will be deducted, but even a whole business. Then you earn by selling the goods. There is street capitalism - the young people imitate it, do what the bankers at the other end of the spectrum.



whole interview


Somebody gets it.

why work for a living if it's going to be stolen out from under you in a fixed game? it may be a touch oversimplified, but how many bankers were hauled off to jail for theft or fraud? how many were even named or prosecuted? how many were even investigated? zero zip nada and this is status quo.

The Pillar
Cornerstone Unlimited
Posted - 2011.08.12 12:50:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Citizen20100211442
20 years more, and every big European city will look like Detroit


Showing some fine knowledge of Europe/Uk there matey Rolling Eyes

(PS yes I know UK is supposedly in europe, just most europeans consider the UK a satelite of the US.Laughing )

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.08.12 13:30:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Ultim8Evil
I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.

If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?


The true death toll at this event is horribly undereported and is much higher than 96.

I'd say it would have to be upwards of 5000 as every time the subject of Hillsborough rears it's head anywhere locally (I live in Murkeyside) you get 15 folk all claiming to have lost family or friends there.


They got you on a technicality; being inbred means you are related to everyone

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.12 16:35:00 - [233]
 


baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.12 16:42:00 - [234]
 

Edited by: baltec1 on 13/08/2011 05:50:29
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer



I... don't..... understand.....






You can never change a chav, no matter how much help you give them.

Originally by: Tai Meijer


Rubbish, numerous police blogs from serving coppers have said they were ordered to 'hold the line'.




Yes because they didnt have the manpower to go out and arrest them. A handfull of police cannot take on a mob of 100+ and they couldnt afford to take men off the front lines to take arsewipes to the cells.

mira kantos
Posted - 2011.08.17 11:29:00 - [235]
 

i dont understand why ppl were complaining about this guys death in the first place. all i see in the press is ppl going , oh his such a good boy , he never did any wrong thos poilice are meanies. BULL. he was a gunrunner plain and simple. he had a loaded gun in a sock with the safty off, to the uneducated this means he was ready to use it.

you keep the gun in the sock to prevent shell casings from escaping and absorbs large amounts of poweder burns. this man had a gun he was ready to use and he got shot for it. I DO NOT FEEL SRY!
as for those rioters they need a damn good dose of rock hard disiplne with a side order of training in a work style. bring back bootcamps run by ex army /police that we fired cause the policitions dont wont to lose there high payed benifits.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.08.18 09:34:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

What none dare say



Interesting article, but it fails to explain a number of things.
It keeps bringing up the fact that some race riots happened shortly after the Civil Rights Act went into effect, but doesn't explain why. Perhaps there is something the author Dare Not Say?
It also mentions "no fathers at home" as a contributory factor for people rioting in England, without any explanation of why he thinks this is so.
He also blames state run education, perhaps he just means poor quality education? I'm not too familiar with the system in Britain.
The jealousy and envy caused by income inequality is a very good point though. And since I do support merit-based income inequality, all I can suggest is ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to reach their income potential. Also I agree that there are perverse incentives not to work and form a two parent family created by the social welfare system.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.18 12:33:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: baltec1


Yes because they didnt have the manpower to go out and arrest them. A handfull of police cannot take on a mob of 100+ and they couldnt afford to take men off the front lines to take arsewipes to the cells.


Nope not true, there were many who because they were not arrested, were able to hit elsewhere, in any case filth didn't even try to PREVENT crime that was happening right infront of them, either to protect property or person, again, they were told to 'hold the line and stand still' even when they outnumbered the mob.

Sorry, but there are just too many reports from people who actually lived where the rioting was occuring, saying the filth just stood there and did nothing, and yes, they had the numbers to do that.

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.08.18 20:28:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: Alu Utukku on 18/08/2011 20:29:14
An interesting bit of over reaction by police during the initial protest seems to have had significant repercussions on the riots:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/08/tottenham-riot-twitter

"Once again social media reporting overtook the news as residents of Tottenham took to the streets alongside journalists to document the damage. An alternative narrative emerged on Twitter and Facebook as rioting spread, and it proved starkly different to what official representatives were saying on our television screens.

One strong rumour that gained ground is that of a 16-year-old girl being beaten by police soon after the peaceful protest ended at Tottenham police station. An eyewitness told BBC News that "a young female had approached the police standing line and she was set upon by police and their batons". Videos uploaded on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcwUyZ68C0k from in and around the area further reinforce this rumour, documenting people caught up in the fray, shouting in disgust. The incident has been dismissed as unsubstantiated and consequently downplayed in media coverage. However, video footage though unclear has been uploaded, making such claims credible."

Duggan's death sparked a protest; police response sparked a riot. never hit something with total overkill when the response will be exponentially worse.


[edited to include guardian link for post quote]

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.08.22 20:01:00 - [239]
 


Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.23 00:47:00 - [240]
 




Is London still burning?




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