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Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:05:00 - [121]
 

oh yes this is a matter of race.


we human race are just that violent, so riots happen. we're just that petty.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:05:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer


Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.

Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS

I’m starting to become very concerned that we may have been ‘Stockwelled’ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.

It wouldn’t take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.

MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...


There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?

I had to laugh this morning when I heard Terasa May on the television say that the police in this country police "by consent" of the local people. Clearly then, she doesn't remember the Miners' Strike at the back end of the seventies.

I was planning on becoming a copper until I saw what was happening in the colliery towns up the road from me. Oddly enough I don't trust them much now.

Jag Hiroshii
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:15:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer


Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.

Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS

I’m starting to become very concerned that we may have been ‘Stockwelled’ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.

It wouldn’t take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.

MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...


There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?

I had to laugh this morning when I heard Terasa May on the television say that the police in this country police "by consent" of the local people. Clearly then, she doesn't remember the Miners' Strike at the back end of the seventies.

I was planning on becoming a copper until I saw what was happening in the colliery towns up the road from me. Oddly enough I don't trust them much now.


Oh right. Policing hasn't changed in the last 25 years then?


Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:18:00 - [124]
 

Still an instrument of the Home Office. And still too many people fitted up, guv.

You're right; we haven't really moved on from the days of the Miners' Strike. Though, to be fair the coppers then didn't shoot Brazilian electricians nor assault by-passing news vendors for the fun of it.

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:25:00 - [125]
 

@Selinate
You realize the people volunteer to patrol the Mexican borders these days, right? If your homes and businesses were being torched by looters, I guarantee there would be people in places like Fairbanks or Wasilla would be setting up impromptu checkpoints out on the street. Sandbags are cheap, you know.

Since you choose to make this personal, I'll admit straight up that I'd never want to be in a riot. And in all seriousness, nobody wants to be put into a position like that. After all, I choose not to live in a city, precisely because of the scum that reside in ghettos. Been there done that. (Cleveland, 1995. The rampant crime I witnessed there in one year is one of the reasons I am a hard advocate of concealed carry and paid for a lifetime membership in the NRA.)

That said, when not working on federal installations, I carry concealed. And if someone is stupid enough to attempt to break into my RV while I or my GF are sleeping, I can confidently say it will be the last mistake they ever make.

Last, its pretty clear to me that Obama's rhetoric is designed to encourage riots like the ones we are watching in London. Those rioters are not attacking the government. They are attacking small business owners. Every speech he makes references 'corporate jet owners' and 'millionaires' and 'billionaires', and encouraging anger towards them for supposedly 'not paying their fair share'. Obama's endless drumbeat of rhetoric is the kind that leads straight to class warfare and violence. He needs to be replaced in 2012 - if not sooner.

Iggy Stooge
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:35:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer


Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.

Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS

I’m starting to become very concerned that we may have been ‘Stockwelled’ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.

It wouldn’t take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.

MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...


There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?




Duggan was shot twice, once fatally in the chest, and a wound in the arm. The bullet that struck the policeman was one of the two bullets fired at Duggan, and it lodged in the policemans radio. Contrary to first statements released by the police, Duggan did not fire any shots, and was not shot inresponse to any shots fired by him or anyone else. A gun was recovered from the scene, which was a replica gun modified to fire live rounds. As yet unconfirmed, (but all the above details were of course known but unconfirmed until today), is that the gun was found wrapped in a sock.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:09:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Iggy Stooge


Duggan was shot twice, once fatally in the chest, and a wound in the arm. The bullet that struck the policeman was one of the two bullets fired at Duggan, and it lodged in the policemans radio. Contrary to first statements released by the police, Duggan did not fire any shots, and was not shot inresponse to any shots fired by him or anyone else. A gun was recovered from the scene, which was a replica gun modified to fire live rounds. As yet unconfirmed, (but all the above details were of course known but unconfirmed until today), is that the gun was found wrapped in a sock.


It wasn't a replica gun, seems to have been a bbm browning self loading pistol. No mention of a sock so far. Turns out they guy was an open gang memebr and was belived to have been getting ready to take someone out for the murder of a cousin killed in some sort of gang killing.

So much for the good family manConfused

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:10:00 - [128]
 

On a side note, according to Amazon's sales figures there is sudden surge of interest in American Baseball in the UK. Laughing

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:11:00 - [129]
 

this is for iggy ...
when someone is arrested for a perticular offence within the uk there is a "mark" written against thier name . eg ... habitual drink driver .... wife beater thats prone to use bottles against his spouse .known drug dealer known to carry a weapon . in the case of duggan he was known to carry a firearm . now this is irrespective of weather it was a replica firearm or not in the uk its a minimum 5yr sentence for carrying a replica ...more so if its real .. duggan was assumed to be selling drugs and carrying a firearm when the cops pulled his taxi over .

estabelished fact as it stands atm he was carrying a firearm not established fact atm is weather it was real or not . this as it currently stands in uk law is ...he`s known to be carrying ... therefore lets not take any chances if you were in the polices position i would like to know what you would do ....cos i damn shure know what i would do ....


it the old american adage ..... you dont bring a knife to a gun fight ... anyways fuk him ...he was a drug dealing gangsta no real loss to society

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:26:00 - [130]
 

Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:31:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Selinate

Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...


One I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000

So far, the UK is up on the US in number of riots, especially recently.


Well, there was one for Rodney King in the 90's...

Yeah, I was thinking about one much further back in the 60's... nvm.


Yeah I was counting after that one b/c someone mentioned that one earlier and I was responding to that particular comment.

Most of the rioting in England proper and the US is over sports though, go figure Laughing...Ireland on the other hand, well it's Ireland and they have a whole mess of issues going back 800 years or so.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:31:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.


IPCC is not part of the police.

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:31:00 - [133]
 

the cause no longer matters beyond the match to a large pile of kindling. it takes sometime to dry out this much kindling...

favorite quote :

But as one man told NBC News about an economic protest two months ago, "There was not a word in the press about our protests. Last night (Saturday) a bit of rioting and looting and now look around you."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44073673

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:33:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Bart Starr

Sounds like some people are sad that people in the US aren't rioting as well. Rolling Eyes

Don't think it would go well in the parts of the US I am familiar with (Alaska and South Carolina). Very high rates of private gun ownership + plenty rednecks who would only be too happy to 'volunteer' = a lot of dead rioters. On CNN they'd cry, and dial up the NAACP, the New York Times would demand gun control. The rest of us would laugh, change the channel and watch the action on Fox News.




Rolling Eyes

Here it comes. The idiotic right wing nut who thinks "IF THIS DURN STUFFN'Z HAPPENINS IN MY STATES, WE'D KILL 'EM GOOD".

Go sit in a corner like you normally would when someone threatens you, stupid bumpkin. Go slap your wife and kid around some more.

The truth: You'd just weep and cry like a baby if the area you live had ongoing riots. You'd probably get yourself killed because, like most stupid rednecks of your kind, your bark is much MUCH worse than your bite (primarily for how stupid and grating to the ears it is).



You either be trollin' or some latte-slurping urbanite who already cries in the corner when someone not wearing pastels and looking feminine walks past your apartment.

FYI: those of us in the country are not prepared to protect and/or feed you if the economic conditions prove a dire future.
Be advised that I know liberals and old hippies who are more armed than I am and live further away from the cities than I would ever want to be. Even some of them call for armed revolt though I have to remind them that in a democracy, there's no point in spilling blood when the same morons (probably people like you) will vote in a new government that is much like the old one.

Now as for the "stupid red necks" - I have met numerous hillbillies on my travels and in the "world of guns" training over 1000 people in the use of small arms and I have to say that all of them are not at all interested in anything that goes on in any cities. So when you are being bent over your Ikea furniture or your Prius by some 300 lb buck sans loob and the cops are too busy doing their own looting (like in New Orleans), nobody's coming around the corner with a stoner or a remmy to save your sorry ass. When your boyfriend is hauling his stained shorts out to the sticks for some more action, he's going to get it: lever action, pump action, automatic, or maybe some full auto too.

But tt won't be anything like the only kind of action you are capable of giving him.





Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:42:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Yeah, i'm sure we can trust the police themselves to give a fair analysis of everything. I'm certain they'd be quite anxious to incriminate themselves and make things worse if they were at fault.


it's called the Independent Police Complaints Comission for a reason. They aren't police themselves, they're the people who police the police.

Qui custodiet ipso custodes? In this country, it's the IPCC.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:17:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron


Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.




I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.




Exactly, Give this man a banana! The guy initially shot, did NOT shoot back, Evidence So all the right wingers supporting the filth for 'defending' themselves are wrong, but the damage has already been done, and as you said, i expect the UK public to want more 'security' for themselves.

I'll tell you what the riots are really about, it's extortion pure and simple.
New labour hired a ton of 'chief' officers who were politically in the labour camp. The tories got into power and saw that this was beyond a joke, it was costing waaaaay too much, (filth get to retire at 50 on full pension, rest of the uk works to 65) so the tories went about cutting it and giving power back to the people, this is why the police are told to 'hold the line' or pull back when the rioters get lairy. "Oh what a shame" they say "If only we had more funding and our morale wasn't so bad because of the pension thing" "If only we had more power" etc etc..

Theresa may (torie) refuses to deploy the water cannon, because shes not going to give them what they want, shes trying to get the filth to do their job, instead of extorting the public.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:23:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 09/08/2011 22:05:54
Originally by: Tai Meijer


Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.

Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve. "UPDATE 22.30 HRS

I’m starting to become very concerned that we may have been ‘Stockwelled’ by the original statement by the IPCC who said they believed that police may have been fired upon first.

It wouldn’t take this long to disclose that an empty case belonging to the non-police handgun was found thus proving a shot was fired at police.

MET ACPO will already know what happened." From gadget, oh dear...


There's a few questions which this raises. First of all, who shot the copper, the SO19 officer? And, furthermore, did Duggan actually have a gun on him in the car?

I had to laugh this morning when I heard Terasa May on the television say that the police in this country police "by consent" of the local people. Clearly then, she doesn't remember the Miners' Strike at the back end of the seventies.

I was planning on becoming a copper until I saw what was happening in the colliery towns up the road from me. Oddly enough I don't trust them much now.


Who knows who 'shot back' at duggan, it could be a training thing and they 'found' a bullet that got stuck their in practise, by the time the truth came out, the public who already frothing at the mouth supporting the filth. As for the policing by consent, i kinda agree with that, i think the gist is she is trying to hold back the powers of the filth because she doesn't want this to become a police state. The miners strike however, i think was bigger then just a left v right thing, maggie used the filth to crush the unions because many of the unions were USSR sponsored.

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:27:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

You either be trollin' or some latte-slurping urbanite who already cries in the corner when someone not wearing pastels and looking feminine walks past your apartment.

FYI: those of us in the country are not prepared to protect and/or feed you if the economic conditions prove a dire future.
Be advised that I know liberals and old hippies who are more armed than I am and live further away from the cities than I would ever want to be. Even some of them call for armed revolt though I have to remind them that in a democracy, there's no point in spilling blood when the same morons (probably people like you) will vote in a new government that is much like the old one.

Now as for the "stupid red necks" - I have met numerous hillbillies on my travels and in the "world of guns" training over 1000 people in the use of small arms and I have to say that all of them are not at all interested in anything that goes on in any cities. So when you are being bent over your Ikea furniture or your Prius by some 300 lb buck sans loob and the cops are too busy doing their own looting (like in New Orleans), nobody's coming around the corner with a stoner or a remmy to save your sorry ass. When your boyfriend is hauling his stained shorts out to the sticks for some more action, he's going to get it: lever action, pump action, automatic, or maybe some full auto too.

But tt won't be anything like the only kind of action you are capable of giving him.



Hahaha! This made my day. Makes this long-ass paving shift go just a bit quicker. Kudos.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:33:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Qui custodiet ipso custodes? In this country, it's the IPCC.

Since you did such a good job answering the question, ask it again.

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:54:00 - [140]
 

the kids rioting in the streets have got nothing to do with the rodney king incident .in the uk the police mostly police with consent please do not compare london with LA

the kids for some reason seem to think that they are disenfranchiced (spelling its late) with the rest of society which is simply not true .for christ sakes i personally know plumbers roofers and chippies crying out for young kids so that they can train then up ...but the current mentality of the kids today leaves them ..bemused

and we wonder here in the uk why we are falling behind ?
i wonder ..is it the benefits system and the total lack of a stable familiy ?

enquiring mind would like to ask

Marwood Ford
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:01:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr
[Clarification of US law removed for space]

Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.

I am not intimately familiar with UK Law, but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob. That needs to change pronto, because the police clearly are not willing or able to protect the public. Armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters would go along way to discourage further riots.

Self-defense is a right, not a privilege.



Bart, your argument appears to be that liberalised gun laws would improve the situation in London, but your basis for this is a fictional, idealised situation that you've made up. You bizarrely cite the LA Riots as an example of why firearms shouldn't be controlled, completely ignoring the body count of that tragedy. I'd be fine with armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters, but you don't seem to be able to consider the possibility of armed looters and a few dead shopkeepers. The good guys don't always win, and your black and white viewpoint simply polarises opinion. Having heard your side of the debate, I'm more inclined to support gun control than I was previously.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:03:00 - [142]
 

Edited by: Tai Meijer on 10/08/2011 01:02:55
Originally by: Marwood Ford
Originally by: Bart Starr
[Clarification of US law removed for space]

Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.

I am not intimately familiar with UK Law, but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob. That needs to change pronto, because the police clearly are not willing or able to protect the public. Armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters would go along way to discourage further riots.

Self-defense is a right, not a privilege.



Bart, your argument appears to be that liberalised gun laws would improve the situation in London, but your basis for this is a fictional, idealised situation that you've made up. You bizarrely cite the LA Riots as an example of why firearms shouldn't be controlled, completely ignoring the body count of that tragedy. I'd be fine with armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters, but you don't seem to be able to consider the possibility of armed looters and a few dead shopkeepers. The good guys don't always win, and your black and white viewpoint simply polarises opinion. Having heard your side of the debate, I'm more inclined to support gun control than I was previously.


The bad guys already have guns.

Popa Cyno
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:13:00 - [143]
 

And that about wraps it up for western civilization.
It won't be missed.

Up next, no rioting in East, South-East and South Asia today, might change tomorrow.

Marwood Ford
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:22:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Tai Meijer
The bad guys already have guns.


Brilliant rejoinder, Tai. Thanks for your input.

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:24:00 - [145]
 

Its really pretty simple.

Most of these looter scumbags aren't really interested in confrontation. They want to destroy thing and terrorize people that aren't going to fight back. Scuffling with the police doesn't even really count because they know that London riot police are prohibited from using deadly force except in extreme circumstances.

They want to smash into shops, steal alcohol and cigarettes, beat, injure and humiliate the defenseless, and set fires (which have a very real possibility of killing people, and endangers firefighters.)

They KNOW the chance of something bad happening to them is almost nil.

Now, add firearms to the mix - now the thugs face a very real chance of getting their lungs blown out of their back by a short range shotgun blast.....

Well, stupid as they are, its not likely there would be very many UK looters willing to risk a bloody death, just for some free booze.

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:27:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Marwood Ford
Originally by: Tai Meijer
The bad guys already have guns.


Brilliant rejoinder, Tai. Thanks for your input.


Anytime ugh

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.08.10 01:54:00 - [147]
 

Quote:


The bad guys already have guns.


Quote:

Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.



http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/lost-stolen.shtml
lol

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.10 02:04:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Tai Meijer on 10/08/2011 02:03:47
Originally by: Kijo Rikki
Quote:


The bad guys already have guns.


Quote:

Guns stolen from homes: Almost 600,000 guns are stolen each year from private homes, according to poll data on gun-owning households.



http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/lost-stolen.shtml
lol


lol, And? in the UK we still have criminals with guns, maybe they got them from private...oh wait...Laughing

Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.08.10 02:11:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Kijo Rikki on 10/08/2011 02:11:38
Quote:

lol, And?



Just pointing out that gun ownership makes it easier for the bad guys to get guns and simultaneously points out a fallacy that guns somehow prevent crime...nothing like having your own gun stolen from you to point that out.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.08.10 02:13:00 - [150]
 

So a handful of people with nothing better to do in England besides destroy other peoples **** == the Apocalypse of western civilization? If a riot is the end of the world we've had that happen a few hundred thousand times in human history. I'm sure once all the Play station 3's are looted things will settle down again.

It's a riot people not a revolt or even a revolution. No one cried Armageddon when the entire middle east was up in arms/ (part of it still is) starting last January.


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