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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:07:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Wendat Huron


Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.




I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.


Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:12:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron


Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.




I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.




Different leadership?

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:40:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron


Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.




I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.




Last time that went over poorly perhaps they learned? Although I did just read they got permission to use rubber bullets for later tonight. Which makes lol as why they weren't using them earlier? Especially as they already used dogs. In terms of pain and potential damage inflicted they're about the same.

I also like the comments about if this were the in the USA the cops would have already mowed them down with machine guns, or loosed the marines with close air support. Granted in the 60's the cops went overboard but the cops went overboard plenty of times in the UK and Northern Ireland as well.

I also like that there are google maps up of riot locations. It benefits both the looters and people wishing to avoid such areas. Tis a brave new world for random wanton destruction.

Sgt Blade
Caldari
Save Yourself Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:55:00 - [94]
 

WTH I go on holiday for 2 months and now that I'm back we have idiots rioting, looting and generally being an arse towards the general public Confused should have stayed in China for another month, at least they know how to stop riots/protests properly Laughing

Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:04:00 - [95]
 

imma give it 5 days till we in the US start rioting just because it looked fun.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:25:00 - [96]
 


jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:53:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Wendat Huron


Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.




I cannot figure out how in a country where the police can knock heads and even kill protestors during a G summit, where there are cameras everywhere, are now all of a sudden showing restraint.



ok ...this is how it is .... the government are on holiday the cops cannot do any without direct government approval. the cops have just had thier budget slashed .the kids think that they can do what the hell they want because of the financial constraints imposed upon the cops. the cops see this as a golden oppurtunity to force the point to not cut thier budget ...so they just let the kids run amok to force the point that cutting police numbers and budgets is wrong . tonight its been announced the the cops have been given free reign to go in mob handed .so if i were i would go out to grab some free trainers




Different leadership?

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:53:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Marwood Ford

Bart, while there is an argument to be made for liberalising gun control, the LA Riots is a terrible illustration. The Korean shop owners weren't simply protecting their businesses, they were protecting their lives from armed looters who fired on them. 50-55 people were killed, some of them entirely innocent men and women shot by rioters, and it took the National Guard and US Marines to restore order. Your little Charles Bronson scenario might cheer you up, but it's not the full story.


I am not advocating the police open fire on the looters.

However, at an elemental level a store owner should be allowed, or even encouraged to use deadly force to prevent an invasion of his home or business.
Its called the Castle Doctrine, rooted in English Common law.

In the US it goes further, with many (mostly red) states passing 'Stand your Ground' legislation - meaning you can legally meet force with force, not just in your home/vehicle/business - but ANY place you are legally allowed to be.

Meaning: if a thug threatens you (or a companion) on a public sidewalk with a potentially deadly weapon, you are within your rights to shoot them dead with NO legal repercussions. Case closed.

Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.

I am not intimately familiar with UK Law, but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob. That needs to change pronto, because the police clearly are not willing or able to protect the public. Armed shopkeepers and a few dead looters would go along way to discourage further riots.

Self-defense is a right, not a privilege.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:15:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Ayieka
imma give it 5 days till we in the US start rioting just because it looked fun.


Never happen, people in this country are too busy texting and finding out who is sleeping with who to care.

Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:25:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Ayieka
imma give it 5 days till we in the US start rioting just because it looked fun.


Never happen, people in this country are too busy texting and finding out who is sleeping with who to care.



Bread and circuses. Keep your people fat and happy and they won't care if they are your slaves.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:33:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Nerath Naaris on 09/08/2011 19:34:19
And here is the official theme song! Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOe9PJrbo0s


Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:39:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Nerath Naaris
Edited by: Nerath Naaris on 09/08/2011 19:34:19
And here is the official theme song! Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOe9PJrbo0s




This is much better.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:42:00 - [103]
 


jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:44:00 - [104]
 

tbh this wouldnt of happend if it wasnt for the ECHR .the kids think they are untouchable . but the cops wont take any prisoners tonight Twisted Evil...i hope . I cant see this happening after tonight ...and i cant see this law being on the statue books for much longer which will be for the good of us all uk residents

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:45:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: jason hill
tbh this wouldnt of happend if it wasnt for the ECHR .the kids think they are untouchable . but the cops wont take any prisoners tonight Twisted Evil...i hope . I cant see this happening after tonight ...and i cant see this law being on the statue books for much longer which will be for the good of us all uk residents


At least think up your own trolls.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:47:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Looting fever is spreading.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


I love that video...that bird does that like every day too.

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:48:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: jason hill on 09/08/2011 19:50:44
Edited by: jason hill on 09/08/2011 19:48:57
im not a troll m8 ... i work for this mob atm Linkage



edit it wasnt me that spent 28 in a pair of wimmins knickers Embarassed


and your link ?,,, wtf has this got to do with the current siuation ?

Brutal Basher
Posted - 2011.08.09 19:54:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr
However, at an elemental level a store owner should be allowed, or even encouraged to use deadly force to prevent an invasion of his home or business.
Its called the Castle Doctrine, rooted in English Common law.


Chap, the "Castle Doctrine" that you talk about is in the US not the UK! It derives from English common law, it isnt in Engish Law!Sad

Quote:

Personally, I think Britain needs to relax idiotic restrictions on LEGAL firearm ownership, and this is a prime example of WHY. Hell, plenty of Brit criminals already have them. Law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their persons and livelihoods from human scum that just want to loot and destroy.


A stupid idea, if we are armed, the police are armed, then guess what.... Yep, you got it the looters are armed to! Its bad enough they are destroying what they are fighting for! Without shooting each other as well!

The government knew this was coming they have been warned by the old bill, but didnt care! If they wanna burn something they should hit parliament!

Oh well, here comes another restless night for usSad

Karloth Valois
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.09 20:59:00 - [109]
 

Seriously stop saying a solution is to relax gun laws, because as the guy above mentioned the rioters will have guns too, so then you just have more problems for both sides. Also this started becauseof a shooting, why do we want more?

No offence to Americans in here, but its hard to take Gun Control advice from a country with one of the highest levels of gun crime in the world, and one of the highest murder rates

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:04:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr
but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob.


And what if a member of the public staggered into an empty looted shop to hide from the mob and ended up being killed? Americans always talk the good talk about how everyone can be bad ass gunslingers defending themselves at the ok corral and completely forget that most people in these situations are scared and untrained.

The police shooting that sparked the initial riots have shown that even highly trained firearms officers can get confused in the heat of the moment because they where convinced they where fired upon.

The LA riots are the perfect example of why Britain's firearms laws do in fact work, we have had savage riots as often as the US but the death toll is always very, very low if anyone actually dies at all, usually there are 1-2 deaths max. If people where running around with guns we would have had blood baths like in the US.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:06:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Karloth Valois
Seriously stop saying a solution is to relax gun laws, because as the guy above mentioned the rioters will have guns too, so then you just have more problems for both sides. Also this started becauseof a shooting, why do we want more?

No offence to Americans in here, but its hard to take Gun Control advice from a country with one of the highest levels of gun crime in the world, and one of the highest murder rates


Gun crime is significantly lower in places where the gun laws are lax generally. Probably why there aren't as many riots either...just sayin...

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:12:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Originally by: Bart Starr
but I have a feeling if some poor corner-grocery clerk shot an intruding thug, he'd be in more trouble than ANY of the members of the mob.


And what if a member of the public staggered into an empty looted shop to hide from the mob and ended up being killed? Americans always talk the good talk about how everyone can be bad ass gunslingers defending themselves at the ok corral and completely forget that most people in these situations are scared and untrained.

The police shooting that sparked the initial riots have shown that even highly trained firearms officers can get confused in the heat of the moment because they where convinced they where fired upon.

The LA riots are the perfect example of why Britain's firearms laws do in fact work, we have had savage riots as often as the US but the death toll is always very, very low if anyone actually dies at all, usually there are 1-2 deaths max. If people where running around with guns we would have had blood baths like in the US.


LA riots happened 20 years ago, and well, there have been 13 riots in the US since, and most of them happened on college campuses/areas, and were pretty much drunkeness gone out of control. There have been maybe 1 or two that weren't related to stupid college kids getting drunk for the most part. Fatalities from most riots haven't been because of our gun laws either...

...you guys on the other hand seem to be putting on some form of rioting every few months lately...

Sasio Shihari
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:17:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: v0cal minority
Edited by: v0cal minority on 09/08/2011 16:54:46
Originally by: Bart Starr

Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.

'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.

Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.

And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.


Please stop pontificating on matters you clearly know sod all about. If this is because we give benefits to the unemployed (which have not been withdrawn BTW) please explain why countries like Sweden, where benefits are far more extensive than here in the UK, have not had any issues like this ?

Not everything in the world is related to you the US Rolling Eyes


QFT

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:37:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
LA riots happened 20 years ago, and well, there have been 13 riots in the US since, and most of them happened on college campuses/areas, and were pretty much drunkeness gone out of control. There have been maybe 1 or two that weren't related to stupid college kids getting drunk for the most part. Fatalities from most riots haven't been because of our gun laws either...

...you guys on the other hand seem to be putting on some form of rioting every few months lately...


Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:45:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 09/08/2011 21:45:38
Originally by: Bart Starr

Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.

'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.

Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.

And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.



*COUGH* are you retar*ed?

God, no wonder our country has such huge problems, with idiots like you who are able to vote, everyone gets to suffer for it.

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:53:00 - [116]
 


Sounds like some people are sad that people in the US aren't rioting as well. Rolling Eyes

Don't think it would go well in the parts of the US I am familiar with (Alaska and South Carolina). Very high rates of private gun ownership + plenty rednecks who would only be too happy to 'volunteer' = a lot of dead rioters. On CNN they'd cry, and dial up the NAACP, the New York Times would demand gun control. The rest of us would laugh, change the channel and watch the action on Fox News.

Considering that criminals in Britain are already armed, I don't see a huge problem with law-abiding British citizens arming themselves as well. A loaded shotgun is an incredible deterrent to breaking and entering.

"But, but, but, what if the rioters start carrying guns??"

A) Some of them already are. B) If looters decide to escalate beyond cricket bats and molotov cocktails, the military is brought in and a curfew is imposed. My guess is that this cowardly bunch of rioters would disappear very quickly in the face of armed resistance.

I hardly see how things could get much worse - arson and aggravated assault are deadly serious crimes that warrant an armed response.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:57:00 - [117]
 

Not Very Bright Department:

An 18-year-old man has been arrested by Tayside Police in connection with Facebook entries encouraging others to gather in Dundee city centre with weapons to riot. The teenager is due to appear at Dundee Sheriff Court on Wednesday morning.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:00:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 09/08/2011 22:01:53
Originally by: Selinate

Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...


One I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000

So far, the UK is up on the US in number of riots, especially recently. I'm counting all of the UK, not just England though...if you're not counting Ireland then yeah, you guys don't have as many problems :P

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:00:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr

Sounds like some people are sad that people in the US aren't rioting as well. Rolling Eyes

Don't think it would go well in the parts of the US I am familiar with (Alaska and South Carolina). Very high rates of private gun ownership + plenty rednecks who would only be too happy to 'volunteer' = a lot of dead rioters. On CNN they'd cry, and dial up the NAACP, the New York Times would demand gun control. The rest of us would laugh, change the channel and watch the action on Fox News.




Rolling Eyes

Here it comes. The idiotic right wing nut who thinks "IF THIS DURN STUFFN'Z HAPPENINS IN MY STATES, WE'D KILL 'EM GOOD".

Go sit in a corner like you normally would when someone threatens you, stupid bumpkin. Go slap your wife and kid around some more.

The truth: You'd just weep and cry like a baby if the area you live had ongoing riots. You'd probably get yourself killed because, like most stupid rednecks of your kind, your bark is much MUCH worse than your bite (primarily for how stupid and grating to the ears it is).

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.09 22:03:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Selinate

Hmmm? If I remember correctly, there has been more than one riot in L.A...


One I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots#1990s_-_2000

So far, the UK is up on the US in number of riots, especially recently.


Well, there was one for Rodney King in the 90's...

Yeah, I was thinking about one much further back in the 60's... nvm.


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