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Kraven Stark
Caldari
Atavism Industries
Posted - 2011.08.09 02:20:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr

Hey, fool. This isn't a 'scenario' that I made up. It happened.




Wait, you are trying to compare today's Tea Party protests of today to the L.A. Riots that had nothing to do with either political party, and then say it was a Liberal riot? And I'm the fool?

You read, " The liberals sought to unite with other minorities in Los Angeles to fight against racial oppression and scapegoating.", and have no idea of the context. They are talking about liberal and conservative thinking in a general sense, not Donkeys and Elephants. Not only that but they are specifically talking about the Korean American community, not some fringe political group like the Tea Party.

CLONE 9
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.08.09 06:41:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Thread title needs changing to "UK is burning", rioting in Birmingham and Liverpool now.

Also I am personally looking forward to David Cameron trying to justify the budget cuts the police have suffered.

Its obvious they cant cope, sure the police are resisting in some areas but in others its a rout, 20 coppers running from gangs of several hundred.


Even the opposition minister for Justice has said that the Govt cuts have nothing to with the Police ability to react to this situation.

This is a criminality by greedy small minded people plain and simple. It has nothing to do with disaffected youth.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.08.09 07:10:00 - [63]
 

I like how all the different media have their own bias on it.

BBC. "David Milliband enjoying holiday! Nothing happening back home. Here's a photo of a white rioter just in case you thought it was a failure of multiculturalism or something!"
Guardian. "The prolatariat is in revolt against their capitalist Tory overlords! The Republic is being born!"
Daily Mail. "Immigrants finally show their true colours ..! Send them home! Bring back spotted **** and blazers!"
etc.

I'm pretty sorry to admit I have no idea why organized street gangs are looting and burning for lols. I can't imagine it is just because they've twigged they can simply get away with it.

The UK hasn't had any 'law and order' for years now. Most of London is pretty lawless and 'justice' is a bit of a nebulous concept thanks to the human rights and liberal left wing bias in the press.

Looks like the guys on the street have finally realised they don't need to pretend to care about the cctv anymore. Very Happy

Tai Meijer
Caldari
Malkutha
Posted - 2011.08.09 07:50:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Tai Meijer on 09/08/2011 07:56:00

Originally by: Holy One
I like how all the different media have their own bias on it.

BBC. "David Milliband enjoying holiday! Nothing happening back home. Here's a photo of a white rioter just in case you thought it was a failure of multiculturalism or something!"
Guardian. "The prolatariat is in revolt against their capitalist Tory overlords! The Republic is being born!"
Daily Mail. "Immigrants finally show their true colours ..! Send them home! Bring back spotted **** and blazers!"
etc.

I'm pretty sorry to admit I have no idea why organized street gangs are looting and burning for lols. I can't imagine it is just because they've twigged they can simply get away with it.

The UK hasn't had any 'law and order' for years now. Most of London is pretty lawless and 'justice' is a bit of a nebulous concept thanks to the human rights and liberal left wing bias in the press.

Looks like the guys on the street have finally realised they don't need to pretend to care about the cctv anymore. Very Happy


Have you seen the daily mail site? They arn't missing this one...

Still, it's better then this piece of stellar reporting...

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.08.09 07:54:00 - [65]
 

I gotta laugh at US citizens hijacking this thread. Seriously, you guys not got enough threads going ? Razz


baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:45:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Kraven Stark
Edited by: Kraven Stark on 09/08/2011 01:53:15
Edited by: Kraven Stark on 09/08/2011 01:52:43
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tai Meijer


Get a clue will you? Police have already said that the bullet came from one of their guns. Now go take your head for a dump.

Fact is, after stockwell, no one is going to trust the filth any more, and rightly so. Let's hope they get the hiding they deserve.


I would like to see where you got this info as none of the media sources I have looked at are carrying this and the IPCC told the BBC this morning that no info on the shooting had been given.


There was mention of there being some question about the bullet in the CNN article.





Found it mentioned in the star last night but its just rumor at this point. No official report yet just maby it was this or perhaps that happened.

Needless to say the police lost control last night and this no longer has anything to do with that shooting. Bastards are just out to steal and torch anything they can.

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:57:00 - [67]
 

I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.

If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.09 09:14:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Ultim8Evil
I'm surprised to see that rioting has started in Liverpool now.

If my memory serves me correctly, the last time they all huddled together and started pushing and shoving, it didn't work out too well for them?


Its a chav hot spot. I wouldn't be superised to see Newcastle go up in flames tonight tbh.

Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.08.09 09:25:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Kraven Stark
Originally by: Bart Starr
No, in the US we are too busy watching our idiot 'Prez' blame everyone but himself for the downgrade/crashing economy.

Obama is politically dead meat. Hopefully there is still something left when he is 'retired'.

One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America


Let me guess, Fox News?


Definitely.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
Posted - 2011.08.09 10:29:00 - [70]
 

So, some three months from now, will they stand outside the gates of Parliament, and together shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot?

Marwood Ford
Posted - 2011.08.09 10:40:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Bart Starr
Hey, fool. This isn't a 'scenario' that I made up. It happened.

I've finally had a chance read some of the coverage of the UK rioting. I don't know, I suppose some people see thugs smashing hardworking people's livelihoods and think they are just 'misguided youth' raging against the system.

Me, it just makes me angry.

I tend to imagine those rioters lying on the ground, ****ting their pants and crying, in a pool of blood and broken glass - after they were fatally gutshot by an angry, well-armed store owner. The thought actually cheers me up. Protesting the government is one thing, but the second you start attacking your fellow (productive) citizens, and you DESERVE a violent and painful end. Evil or Very Mad


Bart, while there is an argument to be made for liberalising gun control, the LA Riots is a terrible illustration. The Korean shop owners weren't simply protecting their businesses, they were protecting their lives from armed looters who fired on them. 50-55 people were killed, some of them entirely innocent men and women shot by rioters, and it took the National Guard and US Marines to restore order. Your little Charles Bronson scenario might cheer you up, but it's not the full story.

Shock Blade
Corporation546846101
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:09:00 - [72]
 

To anyone that thinks there anything but mindless thugs, just check out any of the hundred videos on-line...

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150333636850851&comments Sad

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:38:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Shock Blade
To anyone that thinks there anything but mindless thugs, just check out any of the hundred videos on-line...

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150333636850851&comments Sad


So helping the kid up and then taking all the **** out of his backpack makes them somehow better than mindless thugs?

Marwood Ford
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:50:00 - [74]
 

Shock Blade is saying that they are mindless thugs. Rolling Eyes

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:54:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Florio on 09/08/2011 12:03:23
Edited by: Florio on 09/08/2011 11:56:23
Evidently there are more riots in different areas planned for the next couple of days. Residents of potentially affected areas are, I think, being warned.

All the footage and pictures I've seen show whites as well as blacks, so it doesn't seem to be about race.

This isn't about someone being shot or about a revolt. Anyone in London has experienced these subclass of people (I wouldn't say they are chavs btw, they're a much bigger underclass than that burberry-toting lot). They'll gang up and push you on the street in daylight, mug you if you're alone at night, rush into a convenience store and steal cheap crap before charging out again, brandish a knife or handgun if you stand up to them. They're scum, albeit ones that are ultimately victims of their own culture.

I left London some time ago because it was turning into the **** hole you see now. A whole group of youngsters have basically grown up without proper parenting (the source of the problem imho), and in communities ravaged by drugs and poverty. You can see it in schools in London, where even 7 yr olds are completely unmanageable.

We need some way to get children to have better parents. This is easily said, but means a whole load of political correctness barriers need to come down to be constructively discussed. For instance, why does the UK have significant teen pregnancies? The overwhelmingly greatest source is from afro caribbean / west indies heritage teenage girls, whose partners invariably become absent. That isn't even the tip of the iceberg, but imho anyone like Darkus Howe who tries to blame anyone but the thugs themselves and their communities can sod off.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:31:00 - [76]
 

"...here's a sad truth, expressed by a Londoner when asked by a television reporter: Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?

"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"

The TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you..."

MSNBC article

Citizen20100211442
Minmatar
Carebear Evolution
AEQUITAS.
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:42:00 - [77]
 

Quote:
All the footage and pictures I've seen show whites as well as blacks, so it doesn't seem to be about race.


I am sure you mean this - Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:44:00 - [78]
 

This article is probably the best explanation of why this is happening. (very different from justification and in this case there is none to be had)

i Article

A good insight into how and why we have a complete sub culture in Britain that don't give a ****, have no respect for authority and see it as quite normal and even "fun" to go out and do what they have been doing.

And to any who believe they are just criminals and the social situation has nothing to do with it just think of about this, how many upper middle class youths (regardless of ethnicity) are out involved in these riots? its all "chavs" and "hoodies" (and their parents to, who where also "chavs and hoodies" ten years ago)

Even when the riots stop the problems wont go away, they will still be there on the fringes of society, out causing crime and damaging property and lives just on a less obvious scale. Maybe something good might come from these riots and changes will be made to try and fix the problems.

Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:47:00 - [79]
 

Strange, whenever I see pictures or videos of those rioters, they always have a black skin or are of Arab origin. Why do the media conceal, that these are ethic riots and not just some kids that gone wild ? I know there are efforts to stay "politically correct", but this totally disfigures the reasons and motivations of the rioters. People should be allowed to know, what it's going on and the backgrounds of it. Does this in the end have something to do with the Ramadan ? I heard people are more likely to become aggressive, when they are hungry (has something to do with low blood sugar).

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:09:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 09/08/2011 14:27:02
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Strange, whenever I see pictures or videos of those rioters, they always have a black skin or are of Arab origin. Why do the media conceal, that these are ethic riots and not just some kids that gone wild ? I know there are efforts to stay "politically correct", but this totally disfigures the reasons and motivations of the rioters. People should be allowed to know, what it's going on and the backgrounds of it. Does this in the end have something to do with the Ramadan ? I heard people are more likely to become aggressive, when they are hungry (has something to do with low blood sugar).


There are all kinds of racial groups involved, there are Asians, Middle eastern, Black, white (from all over Europe) and mixed race with a bit from everywhere. The media isn't making such an issue about that because race isn't really the issue at all.

Its a class issue.

its involving all the people from the broken British sub culture, the chavs, the yobs and all the other people who have nothing invested in society.

Check the white man robbing this injured guy on the street, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065 its a good microcosm of the different racial groups involved in the riots.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:10:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Citizen20100211442
Quote:
All the footage and pictures I've seen show whites as well as blacks, so it doesn't seem to be about race.


I am sure you mean this - http://s3.postimage.org/cjehgblys/theftclothes.jpg


wtf?

Citizen20100211442
Minmatar
Carebear Evolution
AEQUITAS.
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:31:00 - [82]
 

Quote:
Its a class issue.


Not really. After floods in New Orleans, even cops robbed stores (and they was black). It's a matter of IQ, and average IQ's between races are different. Take a look at japans , who has average IQ of 105 , and you see no loots and pillages at all, during Fukushima's accident.

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:39:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 09/08/2011 14:41:24
Originally by: Citizen20100211442
Quote:
Its a class issue.


Not really. After floods in New Orleans, even cops robbed stores (and they was black). It's a matter of IQ, and average IQ's between races are different. Take a look at japans , who has average IQ of 105 , and you see no loots and pillages at all, during Fukushima's accident.


Theres a massive difference in looting during a natural disaster and looting because a critical mass of people who no longer give a **** forming.

We are showing the police and the "rich people" that we can do what we want.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:41:00 - [84]
 

I am starting to smell a rat and reach for the tin foil over this.


There are always dirtbags who want to riot, loot stuff, wreck things, etc. Seriously, you blokes wreck towns over soccer games. Why would there be anything new here?

But why now? Why so easily?


Curfews are also being discussed as authorities prepare to transform Britain into a locked down police state.


Quote:
These youths should not be seen as the vanguard of some kind of genuine revolution against an abusive system. If that were the case they would be rioting outside of Downing Street, the Houses of Parliament and Buckingham Palace. Instead they are burning down private homes and businesses while looting high-end electrical goods and clothing.




Funny thing is, Britain already seemed like a locked down police state. Britain has always been the laboratory for police statism. In the US we watch what you get away with (or what your government gets away with) and then plan on preventing our government from following it. Usually they try.


So is this the new angle? Cops step back, let chavs or whatever you call them - I think this is the British version of "thug" - run amok, then it's martial law time. I wonder if that would work in the US? New Orleans was an experiement. Heck we have cops going to prison for gunning people down for crossing a bridge.


Whatever happens, expect your lives to get worse. One thing I always known is that the world is full of knuckleheads who want to do all kinds of rotten things, but they don't until government lets them, and for reasons only a government can benefit from. Usually the "anarchists" tend to have the same build and the same clothes. We call it false flag.


Citizen20100211442
Minmatar
Carebear Evolution
AEQUITAS.
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:41:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Citizen20100211442 on 09/08/2011 14:42:48
Quote:
Theres a massive difference in looting during a natural disaster and looting because a critical mass of people who no longer give a **** forming.


Those "races defenders" are great masters to find various excuses Laughing

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:12:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 09/08/2011 16:27:48
How come the government buildings are not burning?

My take:

"Protected (minorities) groups" allowed to run amok.
Scared (white) people clamor for more police state.


The best tyranny is the one you get tricked into begging for.

Notably also a lot of maligning of social networking tools. These tools can be just as much a weapon for defense of humanity against tyrannical government action (imagine if Gestapo visits were getting Twittered) as they are being used currently by gang leaders to direct these riot actions.

So I expect sheeplized Brits to clamor to restricting of the internet too.




Karloth Valois
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:24:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 09/08/2011 14:27:02
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Strange, whenever I see pictures or videos of those rioters, they always have a black skin or are of Arab origin. Why do the media conceal, that these are ethic riots and not just some kids that gone wild ? I know there are efforts to stay "politically correct", but this totally disfigures the reasons and motivations of the rioters. People should be allowed to know, what it's going on and the backgrounds of it. Does this in the end have something to do with the Ramadan ? I heard people are more likely to become aggressive, when they are hungry (has something to do with low blood sugar).


There are all kinds of racial groups involved, there are Asians, Middle eastern, Black, white (from all over Europe) and mixed race with a bit from everywhere. The media isn't making such an issue about that because race isn't really the issue at all.

Its a class issue.

its involving all the people from the broken British sub culture, the chavs, the yobs and all the other people who have nothing invested in society.

Check the white man robbing this injured guy on the street, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065 its a good microcosm of the different racial groups involved in the riots.


Nothing to do with class either any more. There was a list of people on news today that have already been in front of courts, all differant races, regigions and ages, and some have good high paid jobs, well educated and some not even living in the area, they have traveled to cause havoc. and that was just a few that already been in court. Some had spotless records before this.

Its now just a excuse to burn **** and loot. Started as a protest against police in north london, now just people doing it because they can. No racial class or religious bounderies for being a ****

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:44:00 - [88]
 

I'm almost tempted to go out and get some guns personally, seems like the world is going further and further to **** exponentially every year...I wouldn't doubt that there may be a real possibility of the collapse of western civilization hanging on the horizon.

...although didn't this **** happen over in the UK a lot in the 1970s too?

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:51:00 - [89]
 

England is a postindustrial wasteland as is, see it as the riots burning buildings to open up for new ones that doesn't depress the hell out of you on sight.

As for the people out rioting, I think that says a lot about the current state of affairs and public eduction in England.

Credit to the police for not opening up on the rioters already in unilateral moves but abiding by policy and awaiting instructions, there's that discipline that made the world England. That said I do believe rubber bullets should be deployed, if they haven't already.

If it was the US they'd been gunned down already, if it was Syria they'd been gunned down and we might not even have heard it, if... who are we kidding, every time it happens in China they're gunned down and we hear nothing of it.

v0cal minority
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:54:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: v0cal minority on 09/08/2011 16:54:46
Originally by: Bart Starr

Why are the 'chavs' revolting? Because the government started giving them lots of free money. I'm not talking about Republican 'tax cuts', where people keep more of what they earn. I'm talking about unearned income and benefits.

'Chavs' get accustomed to the free handouts, and when they become so expensive they must be withdrawn, they start breaking things, stealing ****, and worse, injuring or killing people.

Obama is trying to take us down that path, get 50%+ plus of the population dependent on government handouts so they will continue to vote (and riot) for more handouts - but fortunately, taxpaying Americans have woken up and said 'No more'.

And while I'm not a 'Tea Party' member, I agree with their goals.


Please stop pontificating on matters you clearly know sod all about. If this is because we give benefits to the unemployed (which have not been withdrawn BTW) please explain why countries like Sweden, where benefits are far more extensive than here in the UK, have not had any issues like this ?

Not everything in the world is related to you the US Rolling Eyes


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