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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:00:00 - [1]
 

That patch to improve performance of Incarna and solve overheating?

Did it burn out?

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:02:00 - [2]
 

I was kind of hoping you did.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:04:00 - [3]
 

They decided to delay patching until you biomassed your characters and stopped your subscription of all of your accounts.

They may agree with you stopping to post on the forums, though.

Either works for me.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:05:00 - [4]
 

Just asking because it was scheduled to be deployed weeks and weeks ago then it disappeared with no news whatsoever.

What could be so bad that it was pulled and why was it not just fixed and redeployed?

Other bigger issues found or was it just given lower priority?


Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:05:00 - [5]
 

They're working on less resource intensive trousers that you can buy for 7500 aur.


daddys helper
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:18:00 - [6]
 

I suppose they found out they couldn't fix overheating so they just gave up rather than trying to rewrite the engine

Tom Gerard
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:27:00 - [7]
 

Hilmar is working day and night to improve the performance of Incarna.

When all else fails Hilmar battles on!

A glorious champion saving the soul of EVE.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:31:00 - [8]
 

Nothing happened to it. Just the same thing as with all other stuff promised to be fixed... it is promised. And missed.
On the other hand may be they sit in their offices day and night trying to fix all things... that's why we have so many dev alts and marketing trolls around. Hmm.

Large Collidable Object
morons.
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:13:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tom Gerard
Hilmar is working day and night to improve the performance of Incarna.

When all else fails Hilmar battles on!

A glorious champion saving the soul of EVE.


That is good to know...

Hail Himlar!

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2011.08.08 18:06:00 - [10]
 

It was CLEARLY stated on the NEWS page (you know the first one to load on www.eveonline.com) that the patch had caused various issues in QA and was pulled from deployment until the TROLL BAIT was worked out.

Reading ftw.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.08.08 18:19:00 - [11]
 

Soon™

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:23:00 - [12]
 

They figured out that the incarna engine is **** and are currently trying to decide if they want to rebuild it... again... before they can implement the promised optimisations. Or so it would seem.

Kezbet
Tu Stultus Es
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:30:00 - [13]
 

The "Incarna engine" is just a testbed for the twilight mmo. They don't care about making it work right in EVE.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:43:00 - [14]
 

This patch was postponed. Keep an eye on the news feed for when we announce it coming back.

Tom Gerard
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:53:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tom Gerard on 08/08/2011 20:53:24
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This patch was postponed. Keep an eye on the news feed for when we announce it coming back.


But Hilmar is still working on it right? Don't want those second rate kids working on it, I want the REAL Hilmar.

Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.08 20:59:00 - [16]
 

Learn to cool your computer. Any good build should be able to run indefinitely under full stress without breaking dangerous temp thresholds. One of the first things I do with a new build is benchmark exactly that.

Information Agent
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:09:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build should be able to run indefinitely under full stress without breaking dangerous temp thresholds. One of the first things I do with a new build is benchmark exactly that.


You run your new builds indefinitely to make sure they don't break? Didn't think it was possible to benchmark something that was never ending, or am I just reading it wrong?

Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:13:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Information Agent
Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build should be able to run indefinitely under full stress without breaking dangerous temp thresholds. One of the first things I do with a new build is benchmark exactly that.


You run your new builds indefinitely to make sure they don't break? Didn't think it was possible to benchmark something that was never ending, or am I just reading it wrong?


I run them until the temperature stabilizes. The rise in temperature is not never-ending.

Urgg Boolean
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:25:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build should be able to run indefinitely under full stress without breaking dangerous temp thresholds. One of the first things I do with a new build is benchmark exactly that.


Goodie for you. I don't think users should ever have to test a new release to ensure it won't torch their hardware. I expect that a new build may run really badly on existing hardware, and may necessitate a hardware upgrade. I would not expect that a new release would torch hardware. When in the name of God have you ever heard about a new release causing hardware to torch? Never before. Only in EvE. It's pathetic.

Information Agent
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:26:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Proats
Originally by: Information Agent
Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build should be able to run indefinitely under full stress without breaking dangerous temp thresholds. One of the first things I do with a new build is benchmark exactly that.


You run your new builds indefinitely to make sure they don't break? Didn't think it was possible to benchmark something that was never ending, or am I just reading it wrong?


I run them until the temperature stabilizes. The rise in temperature is not never-ending.


Ah I see. Very Happy

My comp overheats like a mofo tbh, but that's more to do with the ambient furnace-like-even-with-windows-open temperature of my home rather than anything technical, hopefully in winter it will be better. Very Happy

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:34:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Urgg Boolean
When in the name of God have you ever heard about a new release causing hardware to torch? Never before. Only in EvE. It's pathetic.


Oh yes never heard of that happening before Rolling Eyes

Umm go to google.
Type in "game burning up a graphics card"

top 3 results
Nvidia 196.75 GPU Driver burning up graphics cards
Blizzard Confirms Starcraft II Is Burning up Graphics Card
Batman AA goty - Burning up one of my GTX 480's in sli - Nvidia
Next in Line Bad company II
Star Trek

All on the first page



Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:45:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Proats on 08/08/2011 21:49:36
Originally by: Information Agent

Ah I see. Very Happy

My comp overheats like a mofo tbh, but that's more to do with the ambient furnace-like-even-with-windows-open temperature of my home rather than anything technical, hopefully in winter it will be better. Very Happy


I have CQ disabled anyway though. Even though my pc doesn't overheat while running it, I don't have air conditioning and sometimes it can be ~30 degree C outside, which causes the fans to constantly spin fast to prevent it from overheating, turning my pc into a pretty effective heater...which I don't really need it to be while afking/alt-tabbing in a station.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:34:00 - [23]
 

The developers computers went up in flames over Incarna so they couldn't do the programming

Dusty Warrior
Posted - 2011.08.09 01:06:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 09/08/2011 01:11:11


Originally by: Simetraz
Originally by: Urgg Boolean
When in the name of God have you ever heard about a new release causing hardware to torch? Never before. Only in EvE. It's pathetic.


Oh yes never heard of that happening before Rolling Eyes

Umm go to google.
Type in "game burning up a graphics card"

top 3 results
Nvidia 196.75 GPU Driver burning up graphics cards
Blizzard Confirms Starcraft II Is Burning up Graphics Card
Batman AA goty - Burning up one of my GTX 480's in sli - Nvidia
Next in Line Bad company II
Star Trek

All on the first page





Yup... but NVIDIA sux anyway! They've had numerous lawsuits over this not to mention a class action lawsuit in the U.S. over faulty chips. Also, NVIDIA/HP knew these chips were bad yet sold them anyway.

So... even though some crispy GPUs might have been directly related to Incarna, you also might consider that some of the crispy critters as a result of crappy cards with NVIDIA components.


P.S. Oh, where the hell is the yellow text? Laughing

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2011.08.09 02:45:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Miilla
That patch to improve performance of Incarna and solve overheating?

Did it burn out?



The patch is ready but is being delayed awaiting a shiny new feature of NeX via which future patches can be purchased with AURUM :) This way patches will still be 'free' since plex can be purchased with isk and then converted into aurum requiring no real money whatsoever!!

Cool

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.09 02:58:00 - [26]
 

Hooray for a month without any updates on this.

Not to mention the other three CQs, finishing the one we currently have, and Ship Spinning v2.

Glad to see CCP took it to heart when the CSM told them they need better communication with the playerbase.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.09 03:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This patch was postponed. Keep an eye on the news feed for when we announce it coming back.


Everyone went on vacation, you know it to be true.


Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.08.09 03:33:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build ...


Chips can generate heat faster than any heatsink can sink it. It's basic thermodynamics.

In a perfect world, chip makers would have their chips automatically slow down or stop when they get too hot. Maxim and Natsemi can do it, why can't nVidia?

Harener
Posted - 2011.08.09 03:43:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Harener on 09/08/2011 04:31:06
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build ...


Chips can generate heat faster than any heatsink can sink it. It's basic thermodynamics.



What you just said made literally no sense. What law of thermodynamics are you referring to?

Fourier's law for conductive heat transfer shows heat flux density is the product of the negative of the material's conductivity and the temperature gradient. We're talking about steady state conduction, so because the heat will try to attain equilibrium but never will in the local space, dT/dx (you can pull that from the equations) will always be negative.

Basically, what you are proposing would mean anything that uses potential energy would heat up towards infinity because they "can generate heat faster than any heatsink [basically the environment in the general case] can sink it", which of course is impossible; entropy must always increase. The maximum heat capacity for solids is around 3 R per mole.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:25:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Proats
Learn to cool your computer. Any good build should be able to run indefinitely under full stress without breaking dangerous temp thresholds. One of the first things I do with a new build is benchmark exactly that.


It's not just about heat, it's about ****ty coding. My I7 machine with dual 5870s sits around 30fps... I can run pretty much any other game, including crysis2, COD, all the modern stuff at max at a silky vsync'ed 60fps.

Should a single room with a poorly rendered character model be more intensive than those games? Forget building a good computer mate, sell your computer and go buy a clue.



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