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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 04:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 05/09/2011 18:15:51

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Greetings, Market Discussions!

My name is Lyris Nairn, and I want you to give me some of your space money so that I can give it to some other goons. We'll give it back, I promise.

As my corp mate Kalrand has mentioned in the past—and which I have also mentioned just this past week—there exists a disparity between the rates of interest common in the Market Discussions forum and those available within GoonSwarm Federation member contracts. You may recall that Kalrand ran a successful investment series predicated on this disparity: you may find relevant threads here and here. I know there was a third one, I seem to have misplaced it. The goal of that venture, as with the one I am proposing, is to take public money at a relatively low rate of interest and invest it in the offerings available within the Goonswarm Federation member contracts at a relatively high rate of interest. I am prepared to offer the public 5%.

First off, I should let you guys know that I am not an accountant or a market whiz. I don't know a lot of economics-specific jargon, but I do possess a firm command of the English language and will be happy to answer any questions. I am mostly pursuing this project because it allows me to collect a bit of extra income for minimal effort.

Secondly, I should inform you guys who clicked on the thread without reading its title that I am a member of GoonWaffe, the primary corporation of Goonswarm Federation. Goonswarm has a long history of scamming pubbies (people like you!) out of their money. Popular wisdom would tell you that I’m just going to take your money and walk.

So what’s the deal?

I intend to take your money, in 1 billion ISK increments, and invest it in loans that are simply not available to the general public. I will give you 5% of your principal every month, on or about the 11th. This offering will close and the principal will be returned after 3 months. I will maintain a dialog here in this thread or subsequent ones to keep the public aware of how the money is being used similar to how Kalrand did for his bond series.

There will be no audit because submitting my API information would be a breech of sensitive information, and there will be no collateral at this time because I am presently keeping my personal wealth tied up in exactly the sort of investment that I am asking the public for money to continue and expand. I will keep my personal wallet separate from the transactions and funds related to this offering by use of an alt.

If you’re still reading this at this point (which I doubt), then perhaps you are interested in investing. I will be launching this project at 00:00 EVE Time on the 11th of this month. Please post in this thread if you are interested in contributing, or if you have any questions.

Quick Facts!

  • Minimum Investment: 1 billion

  • Maximum Investment: 5 billion

  • Term of Investment: 3 months

  • Rate of Interest: 5%



Reserve List:
Jerry Pepridge: 20 billion

Actual Investors:
Dethmourne Silvermane - 1 billion

Update : 2011.08.11@1810 EVE - loan with secured collateral to "Goon1". Details here. REPAID 2011.09.03

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.08.08 04:45:00 - [2]
 

Would like reserve 20b

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 04:47:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 08/08/2011 04:47:30
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Would like reserve 20b

Psst—I already included it!

e: (And I know you're joking)

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.08 04:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Reserve List:
Jerry Pepridge: 20 billion


I like the fact that this was already in the OP before it was ever edited. Razz

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.08.08 04:49:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 08/08/2011 04:47:30
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Would like reserve 20b

Psst—I already included it!

e: (And I know you're joking)


Goons are Blue to me, so i'm not gonna troll this one.

I know where the money for the goon bonds go, its to gouge the **** out of the VFK market innit.

Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
Posted - 2011.08.08 05:21:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
a breech of sensitive information



Quoting before you can edit it. I'm picturing a pair of trousers stitched out of Top Secret CIA documents.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 05:23:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Kethas Protagonist
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
a breech of sensitive information



Quoting before you can edit it. I'm picturing a pair of trousers stitched out of Top Secret CIA documents.

I will never reveal the secrets of our buttes and dongues.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.08.08 06:15:00 - [8]
 

Ill give you a nickle's worth of free advice.

kalrand was able to capitalize on MD funding due to his posting here for 2000' odd posts, he has a reputation as a stout scam blocker.

you on the other hand have popped up in the last few weeks, and are now riding the coattails of Kalrand's reputation by mirroring his idea.

tl:dr no-one will give you isk... yet, lurk & post moar or ill Manip the welp canes in VFK.


flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.08.08 07:13:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jerry Pepridge

kalrand was able to capitalize on MD funding due to his posting here for 2000' odd posts, he has a reputation as a stout scam blocker.




And even then he was only able to have the faith of a handfull of people to invest in him if you look at his offerings.


Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.08.08 08:26:00 - [10]
 

would be hilarious if people brought out their goon alts and invested for real Wink

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2011.08.08 12:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
would be hilarious if people brought out their goon alts and invested for real Wink


You rang?

OllieNorth
Gallente
R-K Industries
Posted - 2011.08.08 13:26:00 - [12]
 

I heart this thread already.

Devai Starchild
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.08 15:34:00 - [13]
 

You got my attention with the graph.

Unfortunately I agree with Jerry. While I like goons (and will probably be one as soon as I get tired of rolling in money in Jita Cool), that is a large risk to put forth on someone that is still building a reputation as well as is backed by an alliance that is well known for their scams.

In short, you will have to post more before I would be willing to invest with that kind of money.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:17:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 08/08/2011 16:20:00


I greatly appreciate the utter lack of trolling and the abundance of serious replies.

I have a proposal for any interested but cautious parties that would—at least for those of you familiar with Goonswarm's politics—perhaps alleviate your concerns of a scam.

For those of you unaware, members of Goonswarm are explicitly prohibited from scamming people on our blue list under penalty of expulsion from the alliance; furthermore, our Something Awful accounts in such a situation would get black-listed so that we can't rejoin. While to be perfectly honest I don't much care what most people playing this game or reading this thread think of me, I do care about keeping my good name within Goonswarm and by extension the Something Awful community. To that end, I present you an avenue by which my continued membership in Goonswarm may be effectively used as collateral to insure your investment: join one of our allies, and then I can't scam you without getting banned forever from the only community within which I would want to play EVE.

I present this avenue as a show of good faith, because it is my sincere intention to invest any space money entrusted to me in a responsible way that will make me more space money (and you can have some, too). In the event that I should scam you after you join one of our blues and invest money into this offering (you would want to post in this thread using the character that joins the blue entity), all you'd need to do to get me permanently expelled from Goonswarm is to contact Vile Rat and link to this thread's permanent entry on eve-search. I am confident enough in this venture that I am willing to put on the table the only thing that I care about in EVE Online: my membership in Goonswarm.

If the concern isn't that I might scam you just because I'm in Goonswarm, or if you're completely unaware of Goonswarm's political policies, then that show of good faith is understandably meaningless to you. In that case, I suppose my only recourse will be to hope that other people are willing to invest prior to 11 AUG.

Alternately, I suppose I could just hang around Market Discussions some more and point out every obvious attempt at reputation grinding or scamming so that I myself can grind reputation—because nobody would notice that and call me out on it, right? Laughing

e: grammars

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:27:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
to insure your investment: join one of our allies, and then I can't scam you without getting banned forever from the only community within which I would want to play EVE.




Uhm .....

egola
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:30:00 - [16]
 

hmmm i wonder where kalrand went

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:38:00 - [17]
 

According to his threads, real life came up.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: egola
hmmm i wonder where kalrand went


Last time i heard reading between the lines it looked like:'Haha you ****ing sad internet ****ers i got myself a reall life girl from flesh and bones and i am gonna enjoy that a lot more then internet epeens ....' .In short if all well he be lucky guy.

No worries once he get's married soon he'll be back in eve again Wink

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 16:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
to insure your investment: join one of our allies, and then I can't scam you without getting banned forever from the only community within which I would want to play EVE.




Uhm .....

I suppose I should give caution that you should not pay anyone any space money to get into any of our allies.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.08.08 17:19:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 08/08/2011 17:22:24

the "penalty of expulsion" thing is like saying "if you infringe on my copyright you'll go to jail for 10 years" - when in reality most copyright disputes brought before a court do probably end with a fine and no jail-time whatsoever.

shooting blues is generally cool as long as you reimburse them in full (and don't do it too often) - don't see why scamming would be handled any differently.
Might be worth "scamming" someone blue just for the shock value and resulting butthurt (or as part of a larger scam that involves neutrals/hostiles).

now if you refuse to reimburse blue scam victims things might look different...

but it might be worth trying it even then - if you can argue that the blue you just scammed was a terrible j4g, link to some hilarious lossmail or chat**** of him getting unduly worked up over your scam the court of public opinion might still vote in your favor. Really depends on the standing and care level of his CEO/diplomats in that case.

(I have never been a member of GSF so maybe I am misjudging the situation but this is how things would work in TEST)

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.08 18:12:00 - [21]
 

Goonswarm actually does care quite a lot about maintaining positive relationships with its blue list. If you recall the incident of digi getting set read-only this past spring, the fact that what he did was hilarious didn't stop him from being punished for it. In any event, you are right in that there is always a human factor to the equation so it's not like rules are absolutely set in stone. But the point is that the rule does exist and consequences can be reasonably expected.

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:10:00 - [22]
 

Eh, I'll toss a bil into this. Lyris and I've had a nice chat ingame, and I think this is more likely than not legitimate; we'd discussed an arbitrage scheme wherein I effectively guaranteed the results for 2% of the 5% (offering 3% with me backing it), but I don't think that my current lenders would be okay with that without prior discussion, so that's out for the moment.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:28:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Eh, I'll toss a bil into this. Lyris and I've had a nice chat ingame, and I think this is more likely than not legitimate; we'd discussed an arbitrage scheme wherein I effectively guaranteed the results for 2% of the 5% (offering 3% with me backing it), but I don't think that my current lenders would be okay with that without prior discussion, so that's out for the moment.


This guy is a sucker for a female avatar & a bit of roleplay.

2 Guess's where his left hand was during your convo OP.

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.09 00:37:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Eh, I'll toss a bil into this. Lyris and I've had a nice chat ingame, and I think this is more likely than not legitimate; we'd discussed an arbitrage scheme wherein I effectively guaranteed the results for 2% of the 5% (offering 3% with me backing it), but I don't think that my current lenders would be okay with that without prior discussion, so that's out for the moment.


This guy is a sucker for a female avatar & a bit of roleplay.

2 Guess's where his left hand was during your convo OP.



The ~ key ?

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.09 18:02:00 - [25]
 

Updated the OP to reflect the one actual investor who's so far expressed interest.
Willing to discuss matters in-game using my female avatar and cutesy role playing.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:24:00 - [26]
 

bookmarking this thread to come back and see the tears

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.08.10 08:37:00 - [27]
 

Saw OP was a goon. Read no further.

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.08.10 13:27:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
Saw OP was a goon. Read no further.



This always makes me giggle, since Goons have been my favorite business partners; they've never scammed me out of a cent.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.10 17:02:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
Saw OP was a goon. Read no further.



This always makes me giggle, since Goons have been my favorite business partners; they've never scammed me out of a cent.


That's because you're an obvious Goon alt. Rolling Eyes

trance atlas
Posted - 2011.08.10 22:52:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
Saw OP was a goon. Read no further.



This always makes me giggle, since Goons have been my favorite business partners; they've never scammed me out of a cent.


That's because you're an obvious Goon alt. Rolling Eyes





Also 120% collateral bodes well


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