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Emoh Aidem
Posted - 2011.08.07 19:38:00 - [1]
 

The following was passed to me just now from the AREK'JAALAN mailing list

Operational Reminder
From: Haeldone Dorgiers
Sent: 2011.08.07 09:22
To: Arek'jaalan,

OFFICIAL CONCORD NOTIFICATION: ONGOING JOINT OPERATIONS IN THE MONALAZ CONSTELLATION ARE OFF-LIMITS TO AREK'JAALAN PERSONNEL AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO DED SITES OR COMMUNICATIONS WILL BE MET WITH LETHAL FORCE.

TIME OF INFRACTION: [113.08.07 06:00:15]

NATURE OF INFRACTION: UNAUTHORIZED INTERCEPTION OF SECURE DATA. <80% LIKELIHOOD OF AREK'JAALAN PERSONNEL.

SUMMARY: A NOTICE FOR INFRACTION HAS BEEN GIVEN. NO FURTHER WARNINGS WILL BE ISSUED.

//end transmission

Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2011.08.07 20:44:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Anslo on 07/08/2011 22:02:02

Unfortunately, this event was only made known to us after the fact that the event occurred. Arek'Jaalan does not in any way, shape, or form condone actions violating CONCORD regulation.

If you check our tentative stance on the matter, under "Ongoing Affairs," you will see that we have, for the time being, encouraged all project members to stay away from the Monalaz constellation. This stance will be valid pending further internal discussion.

We only wish to engage in scientific research, but will not break the law in doing so. Dr. Tukoss has made this the project's tentative stance (being that the project has no business in Monalaz until proven otherwise), and is thus being reported in this statement.




Regards,

Anslo Tetua
Media Relations and Information Dissemination
Arek'Jaalan

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.07 21:34:00 - [3]
 

Making this clear:

There is no evidence of breach of Concord regulations beyond Dorgiers mail, which he was invited to discuss with us in SEC the details of this alleged " infraction ", if there is indeed, any.

Other than that, there is NO STANCE taken by AJ Project regarding this issue. No members are encouraged nor discouraged to go or engage in any activities in the Monalaz constelations at this moment simply because there was no decision taken and no base at all to justify such restrictions.


As already pointed out at the Coverage of Ongoing Affairs, a dedicated meeting will occur this coming Tuesday to close this matter, then, an official AJ stance can be posted publicily. Until than, there is no directives of any sorts either agreed or concluded, pro or against this issue.

SEC Lead
Diplomatic affairs.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Guthris
Neotronix Defensive Solutions
Posted - 2011.08.07 21:45:00 - [4]
 

The meeting scheduled for this Tuesday the 9th will handle all the details regarding the encounter with CONCORD officer Healdone Dorgiers.

Open threats by anyone to the project will be handled by SEC, they in conjuncture with the Ethnics division will decide upon red/blue standings.

CONCORD chooses to openly threaten any Arek'Jaalan member to enter the Monolaz constelation, upon penalty of destruction.
This has forced a great deal of the AJ members to devide into 2 fronts. One being afraid of retaliation, the other curious what it is that CONCORD has to hide.

However, devided or not. No official statement has been made regarding whether or not we chose to obide by CONCORDs ultimatum.

SEC Lead

Michael S. Guthris
Fleet Coordination Coalition

Literia
Minmatar
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:02:00 - [5]
 

We will be discussing the validity of this statement from CONCORD and how it will effect the future of Arek'Jalaan researchers and members. No offical statement can be made until after the Ethic's and Security co-joint meeting on this issue on August 9th.

After that meeting then a statement can be made by MRID and not before then.

Literia Khammael
Co-Lead of Ethics Committee of Arek'Jalaan

Emoh Aidem
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:07:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 07/08/2011 22:08:31
What I find interesting is that as being part of the "general public" I had to obtain this documment through a 3rd party. Why hasn't CONCORD made a public release to inform the public of such such matters to avoid incidents like this from occuring. I would also think that CONCORD should do an internal view of their communications protocals to ensure that their secure comms are truely secure to avoid comms intercepts.

I think a member of Arek'jaalan stumbled across something and now CONCORD is in full damage control mode to hide or cover up what was discovered.

Emoh Aidem

Voice of Freedom News

Vanneth
Caldari
The Voidstalker Heresy
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:07:00 - [7]
 

CONCORD has not made any threats to Arek'Jaalan or its members. It has issued a warning against any capsuleer who would interfere with their operations in Monalaz.

That being said, the matter was discussed by the project at large, and Anslo's statement rings true. The tentative stance of the Arek'Jaalan project as a whole is to comply with the notification posted by CONCORD. We are a lawful project and respect their authority.

Individuals may disagree, and further deliberation will be held to determine if the official stance of compliance will change. Any individual violating CONCORD's directives do so on their own and do not represent the Arek'Jaalan project in any capacity.

Professor Vanneth Deckard
Logistics and Administration
Arek'Jaalan


authochthonian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:27:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: authochthonian on 07/08/2011 22:56:47
Edited by: authochthonian on 07/08/2011 22:27:58
I rarely post to the IGS but I feel I must comment on this developing situation, I fully support the tentative stance of the Arek'Jaalan project as a whole, which is to comply with the notification posted by CONCORD, as it is the stance I will be taking regardless of any official Arek'Jaalan policy.

We are a lawful project and respect legal authority. A meeting has been arranged for further deliberation and until that time I am happy to follow the current policy.

Individuals may disagree, as is their right, but a small group of people do not have the right to speak for all of us to the possible effect of incuring CONCORD sanction.

Authochthonian
Lead Researcher, Rogue Drone Division
Arek'Jaalan

Cicaedis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:36:00 - [9]
 

I agree wholeheartedly with the consensus made by my peers during today's earlier discussions. Arek'Jaalan is a lawful organization and therefor will not contest CONCORD. Furthermore we are a neutral organization and no bias should therefor be permitted to cloud our judgment.

Even so, we do not make claims to control other people's actions. If any individual affiliated with the Project decides to go against CONCORD's wishes, they do so entirely of their own accord and their actions should not reflect upon the rest of us.

We are not nearly as divided about this issue as some would wish you to believe.

Dr. Cicaedis Pritchard
Lead Researcher, Sleeper Technology Division
Arek'Jaalan

Tykari
Gallente
Effective Deconstruction Initiative
Neon Equinox
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:44:00 - [10]
 

At this stage the Arek'Jalaan project is following a tentative stance in regards to this issue which I am in full support of. This project has as an aim to remain as neutral as possible to insure everyone can voice their opinions and cooperate. We have have received several threats to this projects and still continued to maintain that neutrality. I see no reason to change this.

I'm sure this will be discussed in great lenght during the meeting on Tuesday after which we will see what the outcome is.

Myyona
Minmatar
Ataraxia Pharmacies
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:46:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Myyona on 07/08/2011 23:34:41
Challenging CONCORD on no grounds whatsoever is not something I wish to support.

Arek'jaalen is project to advance knowledge and prosperity for every soul, capsuleer and not, in the cluster. I do not see that achieved by breaking every rule possible just because.

EDIT: Scratch that, I do not need any title associated with this project; I speak on my own behalf. So do every other member of the science project too.

Myyona
Lead researcher Ancient Races, the Arek'jaalen project
CEO Ataraxia Pharmacies

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.07 22:51:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Literia
We will be discussing the validity of this statement from CONCORD and how it will effect the future of Arek'Jalaan researchers and members. No offical statement can be made until after the Ethic's and Security co-joint meeting on this issue on August 9th.

After that meeting then a statement can be made by MRID and not before then.

Literia Khammael
Co-Lead of Ethics Committee of Arek'Jalaan



Seconded that as EC advisor as well.



Originally by: Emoh Aidem
I think a member of Arek'jaalan stumbled across something and now CONCORD is in full damage control mode to hide or cover up what was discovered.

Emoh Aidem

Voice of Freedom News


Have no worries. not all of us are moved by threats or claims of supposed restrictions under a Project that claims to be non partisan to any organizations. Certainly decisions will be taken this tuesday where if AJ turns to be a CONCORD pro sided collective working under their veiled restrictions and theats then as Literia said, many of us will choose to make a different stance regarding the Project itself, re-evaluating its reality and taking actions accordingly.
But rest assured, what I can say for certain is that if there is a cover up attempt or something slightly related, this will be known.
For now, it's all mere assumptions, we do hope we will have more informations to share after the meeting.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2011.08.07 23:13:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 07/08/2011 23:20:47
As requested too, the log from the pilot involved.
I'll filter only his answers relevant to this discussion and Darveses from MRDI will have the full log at your disposal at the AJ portal soon.

[ 2011.08.07 18:03:11 ] Ypier Luminet > You've been outside the State too long, Tukoss-haan, you're losing touch.
[ 2011.08.07 18:03:49 ] Evil Incarn8 > do you have the data in question Ypier?
[ 2011.08.07 18:04:19 ] Ypier Luminet > There is no data, pilot. Nothing of value, anyway, just samples of interference.
[ 2011.08.07 18:04:24 ] Literia > Mr. Luminent can you please explain the nature of your investigations in the fore mentione constillation and what had concord's panties in a bunch?
[ 2011.08.07 18:04:35 ] Hilen Tukoss > Luminet?
[ 2011.08.07 18:04:40 ] Ypier Luminet > Really, I would think you could see through a move like this more easily.
[ 2011.08.07 18:04:50 ] Anslo > Wanna enlighten us?
[ 2011.08.07 18:04:57 ] Nethys Axion > Yes, please
[ 2011.08.07 18:05:03 ] Revan Neferis > now this became interesting.
[ 2011.08.07 18:05:09 ] General Stargazer > Indeed.
[ 2011.08.07 18:05:40 ] Ypier Luminet > What is one of your biggest problems right now? You're too close to the Sansha. This open-door policy is hurting your project like few other things.
[ 2011.08.07 18:05:55 ] Ypier Luminet > You think CONCORD likes this project? I doubt it. Of all things, you shouldn't suspect them of being helpful.
[ 2011.08.07 18:07:15 ] Ypier Luminet > /emote laughs. "A tap on the shoulder and you'd all storm their facilities in Monalaz, and the "too close to the Sansha" problem sinks the project in a flame of drama, as Arek'Jaalan is seen raiding anti-Nation operations."
[ 2011.08.07 18:09:11 ] Hilen Tukoss > Hmm, thank you, Luminet.
[ 2011.08.07 18:09:14 ] Literia > YOu are fear mongering
[ 2011.08.07 18:09:14 ] Ypier Luminet > Of course. Try to keep your ahead above the water, though, Tukoss.

This and CONCORD mail is all we have thus far. As soon as more evidence is collected they will be available.

Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Akasha Prime
Amarr
The Voidstalker Heresy
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.08.07 23:40:00 - [14]
 

As a publicly-available self-governed body, the Arek'Jaalan project must proactively seek a position of political neutrality to retain access to all avenues of research.

While I can not speak for the entire project, I would like to state our (my corporation) intent to operate within the law at all times, and that any deviation from this intent should be viewed on a case-by-case basis and the actions of the offender(s) should not be reflected on fellow project members. As we (Arek'Jaalan) are a public entity, we have many voices, and we welcome all who come to the project for the pursuit of science. Therefore, while we accept the company of known criminals and terrorists within our collective for the scientific insights they may contribute, we should not allow the project as a whole to be branded as a criminal organization.

Even in the fervent pursuit of knowledge, we must respect the laws of the established system and should we find a law or declaration to be unjust, we must work within the system to have the law changed. We must not allow ourselves to become criminals in the process or we stand to lose any credibility we might stand to gain from our research.

Due to the delicate nature of the situation in which we currently find ourselves, I would like to encourage all members of the Arek'Jaalan project to carry themselves with dignity and carefully consider how their actions and statements will be perceived by the watchful galaxy, especially those who might be seeking any excuse to take aggressive actions against us.

We stand to gain a wealth of information previously unknown to humankind. Let us not squander this opportunity over politics and pride.

Respectfully,
Prime
The Voidstalker Heresy

Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.08 01:31:00 - [15]
 

Color me slightly surprised.

Listen, capsuleers have a horrible habit of acting like they are the wild card of the universe that, since they are in space they should be treated as a blank slate that could fit in anywhere.

You have an escaped traitor who defected to his nations enemies which is being assisted by capsuleers publicly loyal to outlawed groups and you're asking why this is happening?

You are not neutral.

When I walk in Matari stations I hear the whispers of 'look there's an Amarrian immortal, someone should end him before he could rain death on our children.'

I don't pretend that I'm just some factionless man. I'm Khanid born a holders son and now the Lord of my house. I know what people see when they look at me and I don't pretend to not be who I am.

Your project could be innocent
Your project could be useful
Your project could be the best thing since the jump drive

But its not going to mean anything if its run by people who the public sees to be a danger to them.

You could develop the cure to every problem in the universe but if no one trusts you they won't let you use it because they are afraid your not doing what you say you are.

And its for this reason CVA has nothing to do with this and you really shouldn't be that surprised this is happening.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.08 02:03:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 08/08/2011 02:05:45

To reiterate something: We currently side with nobody but ourselves.

Quote:
Regarding using the A'J Network for Military Operations
From: Myxx
To: Arek'jaalan
I would kindly ask that anyone who wishes to use the Arek'jaalan channel for military operations unrelated to the overall effort (Read: Sansha Incursions) do it elsewhere, in one of the many other channels for such things.

Arek'jaalan is firmly neutral in this stance unless Dr. Tukoss says otherwise. We are all equals and it is not right to persecute other's poilitical stance within the project.

In short, take such things as coordinating against the Nation or others elsewhere.

Thanks.


Tl;dr:

We are not a military or political entity. We are not in the business of coordinating military operations against anyone. The Nation included.


This has been reiterated by the heads of several public-facing departments, including at least one that I'm apart of, MR&ID. My boss, Anslo, said as much above.

Outlaw Jenner
Caldari
Jovian Order of the Navigators
Posted - 2011.08.08 10:42:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Kithrus

CVA has nothing to do with this


Funny, I don't hear anyone complaining about that fact... Keep on bumping though the extra coverage probably does wonders for those participating in the project.

Akihoshi
Gallente
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
Posted - 2011.08.09 07:03:00 - [18]
 

it is unfortunate for this to happen as I have been in W-space with my corporation for the last few weeks taking readings of Wormholes and other stellar phenomena. So my connection to the AREK'JAALAN channel has been rather spotty at best.So this is the first that I have heard of this.

I for one have not totaly trusted CONCORD in the years that I have been a capsular pilot. they have shown that time and time again Concord has a hidden agenda that is not always in the best interests of capsulars and the empires. I am though saddened to see that Concord would issue threats to what is a peaceful scientific project to cover up its own dealings. I will if I am working on collecting Data for the AREK'JAALAN project abide by the decision of project as a whole.

However as all of the members of the AREK'JAALAN Project are from a multitude of corporations I am sure that each pilot while working for their respective corporation can and will ignore such idle threats from Concord.


Emoh Aidem
Posted - 2011.08.09 10:32:00 - [19]
 

It seems I forgot to ask the most important question that should be obvious and I finally thought of it after a review of the message.

OFFICIAL CONCORD NOTIFICATION: ONGOING JOINT OPERATIONS IN THE MONALAZ CONSTELLATION ARE OFF-LIMITS TO AREK'JAALAN PERSONNEL AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

Who was the other member/members of this JOINT OPERATION?

Emoh Aidem
VOF NEWS

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:11:00 - [20]
 

[Unit Commune Official Statement]

The statement made by CONCORD offers two alternatives.

1) comply with CONCORD notification
2) Be destroyed.

At this time there is a sufficient number of pilots within the Arek'Jaalan project calling for the members of the project to openly defy CONCORD.
This is not an action we condone, or will take any part in.

Should the decision of the self appointed leads of this project lead the project as a whole into criminal activity, we will discontinue aiding the Arek'Jaalan project until such a time as this course of action is rectified.

We would strongly advise those pilots calling for open defiance of CONCORD, to rethink their actions and statements.

We Return.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:43:00 - [21]
 


I find this Notification both perplexing and disturbing.

Arek'Jaalan have been conducting no official operations in the Monalaz cluster or against CONCORD.

Capsuleer of many affiliations monitor Arek'Jaalan proceeding which are entirely public as observers only without being directly involved in projects.

This bares the hallmark of an attempt to goad these observer Capsuleers into a imprudent action in a crude attempt to implicate Arek'Jaalan in something untoward.

It is perhaps note worth that CONCORD by 'locking down' the Monalaz cluster has seemingly denied legitimate access to the only route into the EVE Cluster.

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:49:00 - [22]
 

Pilot, at no point has CONCORD denied access to the Monalaz constellation to any.
However, they have denied access to DED facilities and encrypted communications within the constellation.

Repeated claims to the contrary are easily disproven, as capsuleer traffic into the Antem system has yet to be stopped.

We do not condone any attempts to gain unauthorised access to DED facilities or data.

We Return.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:58:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 10/08/2011 05:43:48

I've noted that Ypier Luminet recently transferring from Center for Advanced Studies, 'the very best technical schools in the universe' to the University of Caille, 'best known for its extensive anthropology department'.


Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2011.08.09 23:24:00 - [24]
 

Please read our official release on this matter for further clarification.

Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2011.08.10 05:30:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 10/08/2011 05:30:45
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
... Arek'Jaalan have been conducting no official operations in the Monalaz cluster or against CONCORD.

Capsuleer of many affiliations monitor Arek'Jaalan proceeding which are entirely public as observers only without being directly involved in projects.

Your definition, Captain Mossari, is interesting. You say Arek'Jalaan has not been conducting official operations in Monalaz, and capsuleers routinely monitor the Arek'Jalaan channels as observers only.

Yet I myself - by virtue of simply monitoring the Arek'Jalaan official channel - have been told that this constitutes membership in Arek'Jalaan. With this in mind, can you tell the public that Arek'Jalaan members (defined as those who are logged into the Arek'Jalaan comms channel) have not been conducting operations in Monalaz?

Mierna Tristis
Posted - 2011.08.10 05:55:00 - [26]
 

I would consider a member one who actively participates.
I would call someone who sits back to watch an observer.
I doubt many others would disagree about that.

Gosakumori Noh
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.08.10 06:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
Yet I myself - by virtue of simply monitoring the Arek'Jalaan official channel - have been told that this constitutes membership in Arek'Jalaan. With this in mind, can you tell the public that Arek'Jalaan members (defined as those who are logged into the Arek'Jalaan comms channel) have not been conducting operations in Monalaz?


There is no surer way to convince capsuleers to do something than to tell them not to.

However, Monalaz stretches between Kador and somewhere interesting as little more than a wasteland of frothy vampires and mechanical ticks. To the extent any entities "conduct operations" there, those activities appear completely unrelated to Arek'Jaalan, and lack any discernible "scientific" patina.

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.10 06:29:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter

Originally by: Wyke Mossari
... Arek'Jaalan have been conducting no official operations in the Monalaz cluster or against CONCORD.

Capsuleer of many affiliations monitor Arek'Jaalan proceeding which are entirely public as observers only without being directly involved in projects.

Your definition, Captain Mossari, is interesting. You say Arek'Jalaan has not been conducting official operations in Monalaz, and capsuleers routinely monitor the Arek'Jalaan channels as observers only.

Yet I myself - by virtue of simply monitoring the Arek'Jalaan official channel - have been told that this constitutes membership in Arek'Jalaan. With this in mind, can you tell the public that Arek'Jalaan members (defined as those who are logged into the Arek'Jalaan comms channel) have not been conducting operations in Monalaz?


I cannot because, I do not speak for those you identify as 'members' and any Capsuleer is entirely fee to come and go by that definition.

I therefore cannot make that verification.

I speak only for myself as a contributor and researcher to various research programmes.

I can state that Ypier Luminet, so far the only person implicated in this event, has made no documented contribution to any project of the Arek'Jalaan.


 

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