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Coffe's Babe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.07 13:56:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 09/08/2011 12:39:08
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 08/08/2011 20:10:26
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 08/08/2011 12:50:56
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 23:11:46
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 23:11:21
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 22:21:25
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 22:21:10
Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 14:07:16

Greetings. As I have explained in my previous offering (I don't actually know the term for what i'm doing here cept borrowing money) which you can view HERE, I currently have access and the logistics necessary for stockpiling a market that is in really high demand of almost everything, but mostly ships. For obvious reasons I'm not gonna even hint towards where this is taking place.

Brief history of previous offering: I have raised 2Bil on the forums and I have contributed myself with a sum close to that one, just a bit less and in less than 2 weeks I have managed to earn enough profit to pay off the investors with a 1 percent bonus compensation for a slight delay due to RL work issues and also repay the debt in full.

Besides that, with a roughly 4 Bil capital I managed to secure a profit (after paying off everyone) of aprox 1.5 Bil. Would have been 2 or more had I not been carried away with work in the last 2 weeks.

What I am asking for:

Arrow Investors. As many as it takes to raise 4 or 5 Bil. I will be contributing with at least 4 myself which I have from my previous endeavor.

Arrow 200mil minimum investment (less than that makes me copy paste the thank you letters after)

Arrow Regarding collateral, I hold a few(12) Tengus with subsystems in a 0.0 sov space that I can get out in case they need to be sold and some faction mods in high-sec space, but I have successfully dealt with trust with a handful of people and that worked out the best for me. I'm not a person with much free time and I like to keep track of simple things.

Arrow As stated in the previous topic which I liked above, API's are out of the question.


What I'm offering:

Arrow 14 percent interest over 3 weeks. 7 percent if you want to withdraw after 12 days. Withdrawals sooner than 12 days from the ISK transfer will NOT happen unless you agree to not getting any profit;

Arrow Open relationship(this also means I can have sex with other people). If you convo me when you see me in-game I will gladly update you on the current situation and answer any questions you might have.(except stuff like "where are you selling/who is ur trading char etc);

If you agree to the following terms feel free to post here(also eve mail/convo) your sum from the character that will send me the money. The money can be sent starting today 07 - AUG - 2011 and will be returned in exactly 3 weeks(21 days) - or 12 days if you go down that path from the moment I will confirm the receival of the funds both in game and here on the forums.

I will log in daily so this should not be an inconvenient. I will not take investments in 2 days from now and onwards. I have to know what to stockpile on or not. I'm not making a hundred trips especially that it takes a united effort to haul them ships.

ps: for those who wish to be anonymous send me just an eve-mail. no need to post. otherwise I would request everything to be trasparent.

Thank you in advance for the read and looking forward to working with a bunch of serious people again.


later edits:

Investors:
March rabbit 2 billion (confirmed)
Michelle P1H9A8N1 2 billion (confirmed)
Anonymous 200m (confirmed)


Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:45:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Coffe's Babe

Arrow Open relationship(this also means I can have sex with other people).



Forced monogamy is for the impractical and the insecure. I know our love is forever, so I have no problem with this.

Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:49:00 - [3]
 

Debating how much to invest atm, but I a question:

How long do you intend to run back to back bonds? I understand wanting to exploit a situation and make as much profit off of it as possible, I'm just curious as to your long-term intentions for borrowing.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.07 14:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Tigerras

How long do you intend to run back to back bonds? I understand wanting to exploit a situation and make as much profit off of it as possible, I'm just curious as to your long-term intentions for borrowing.


In all likelihood the intention is to build up credibility and walk away with a large sum. This is the case for most offerings in this forum. When you choose to invest in a public offering you are realistically gambling that the individual offering is not yet the cash-out scam.

Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Originally by: Tigerras

How long do you intend to run back to back bonds? I understand wanting to exploit a situation and make as much profit off of it as possible, I'm just curious as to your long-term intentions for borrowing.


In all likelihood the intention is to build up credibility and walk away with a large sum. This is the case for most offerings in this forum. When you choose to invest in a public offering you are realistically gambling that the individual offering is not yet the cash-out scam.


So what's your intention in MD?

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:05:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tigerras

So what's your intention in MD?

I came to find out what happened to Kalrand's bonds, and I stayed to never stop posting.

Coffe's Babe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:21:00 - [7]
 

Most likely 1 or 2 max. I am gearing up for a PvP "season" in end September when I'm taking 1 month off work Smile I wanna buy myself something special.

And I understand the concerns regarding running with the cash at some point but the only thing I can say regarding this is that I hold in my hands assets worth way more than anything I could get scamming for 6 months here :p But I don't want to end my eve career, that's all.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.07 15:24:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Coffe's Babe

And I understand the concerns regarding running with the cash at some point but the only thing I can say regarding this is that I hold in my hands assets worth way more than anything I could get scamming for 6 months here :p But I don't want to end my eve career, that's all.

This is not as sound an argument as it may initially appear for two reasons:
  • First, if you have more than a few billion then you are not limited to a single character. Once you get above twenty billion ISK in this game the concept of a "main" character is by choice rather than necessity.

  • Second, it is exceedingly easy to continue playing the game—and even continue being active in Market Discussions—once you have stolen a bunch of money. All you need is to grind up credibility on a new character.


  • Coffe's Babe, these are not indictments against you, specifically. I am just being practical and pointing out what's possible and probable.

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 15:43:00 - [9]
     

    Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 15:49:22
    Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 15:48:16
    I know. That's why I said here and also in my previous offering that I can offer some small guarantees but it all goes down to placing a bit of trust. Usually the businesses that require zero said trust offer very small rewards. Of course, the risk's smaller.

    The only thing I am looking for is making a bit of money for myself because I feel really safe and peaceful when I'm sitting on a pile of money (this applies to IRL as well) while helping the people that in their turn lent me a small hand in getting there.

    It's just a matter of personality and I'm speaking for myself here. If I were to invest my full energy in making money off scams I'd be probably good at it too but it's not my game. I like to work intensively for small periods of time and enjoy the other aspects of EvE (or life) in the others.

    There's also the fact that I feel guilty after doing evil stuff. This one time I killed a noob in an osprey with my twink rookie ship and I felt so bad I got him a new one. He then started smacking me so I killed him again. But my point was made before that last sentence. Smile


    These being said: please post here until Tuesday (09-AUG) if you are willing to pitch in and with how much. Thank you.

    Tigerras
    Smash Incorporated
    Posted - 2011.08.07 16:26:00 - [10]
     

    Edited by: Tigerras on 07/08/2011 22:16:21
    Reservation withdrawn

    Commander Godsmack
    Posted - 2011.08.07 16:59:00 - [11]
     

    Coffe's Babe :

    You have a 5 day 100 mill outstanding loan at 10% that is now 3 days past due. The collateral has been contracted back to you at 110 mill. If you dont buy back with the next 5 days your loan will be considered defaulted and i haz to gitz my monies back.

    CG

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 17:05:00 - [12]
     

    Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 17:06:09
    Originally by: Commander Godsmack
    Coffe's Babe :

    You have a 5 day 100 mill outstanding loan at 10% that is now 3 days past due. The collateral has been contracted back to you at 110 mill. If you dont buy back with the next 5 days your loan will be considered defaulted and i haz to gitz my monies back.

    CG


    Yeps, I know, but I did not get a chance to accept any contract/reply to any mail until today. I'll accept it when I get home today, thank you Smile I'm not letting you keep my MWD! And truth be told I actually forgot about it till yesterday. My apologies. Was swamped till recently.

    RAW23
    Posted - 2011.08.07 17:10:00 - [13]
     

    Any chance of a fact check on recent market activity and NAV growth? That would go a long way towards balancing out some of my concerns about the rapid expansion (there seem to be lots of very short term bonds at the moment with, effectively, expansions every month when the one month bond closes and a new, larger one opens up off its back).

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 17:16:00 - [14]
     

    Originally by: RAW23
    Any chance of a fact check on recent market activity and NAV growth?


    Ok, you need to translate that to english. Remember I'm a PvP er by nature who just got a good idea and time/support to do some side business. I'm not a trader. Do you want to see some sort of proof of my recent growth (profit) ? If so how can I provide this without disclosing sensible information (char names/locations/ship types etc).

    Also I get what you are saying with all the bonds and investment opportunities that have the goal of building trust. But with me it just happens that it's a good period because making this side cash does not require my full dedication to EvE.

    And the only reason I'm doing it so early again is because I am risking the conflict to end with every day.

    RAW23
    Posted - 2011.08.07 17:36:00 - [15]
     

    Edited by: RAW23 on 07/08/2011 17:37:06
    Originally by: Coffe's Babe
    Originally by: RAW23
    Any chance of a fact check on recent market activity and NAV growth?


    Ok, you need to translate that to english. Remember I'm a PvP er by nature who just got a good idea and time/support to do some side business. I'm not a trader. Do you want to see some sort of proof of my recent growth (profit) ? If so how can I provide this without disclosing sensible information (char names/locations/ship types etc).




    You will need to disclose that info to at least one person and they can then confirm publicly that things are as you say without having to release that info to the public. So you need to find someone that you trust not to abuse the info and who potential investors will trust not to be in league with you to carry out a scam. Given the size of this bond pretty much any established/moderately wealthy MDer should be acceptable to both sides. Breaker77 and Varo Jan have both done audits in the past but may be busy. You could also try the slightly more risky option, on both sides, of getting a newer auditor involved, such as Tigerras.

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 17:40:00 - [16]
     

    Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 17:42:12
    Thanks for the suggestions. I will consider doing so IF and only IF it will be absolutely necessary (not raising enough without said procedures). Not only me would suffer from possible leaks. The only thing is I got burnt in the past with trusting someone with some delicate information (even though that person didn't betray me for say, he was just dumb) - this is why I also understand the skepticism of a certain few.

    Until then I'm hoping to get to my goal without investing more time and effort than I already planned to. I will already have to reserve 3-4 days for this Smile

    Looking forward to more investors. Will add the ones up until now when I get home in ~4hrs and confirm the receival of funds.

    Tigerras
    Smash Incorporated
    Posted - 2011.08.07 19:20:00 - [17]
     

    Edited by: Tigerras on 07/08/2011 19:26:52
    Thanks for the vote of confidence there RAW23. However I will be unavailable for anything that extensive until Tuesday, which wouldn't work for this particular bond (and given the reaction to my last attempts I doubt it would help Coffe's Babe).

    I do have a few more questions before I send isk, but will ask them in-game when I have a chance

    RAW23
    Posted - 2011.08.07 19:36:00 - [18]
     

    Originally by: Tigerras

    I do have a few more questions before I send isk, but will ask them in-game when I have a chance


    If the questions are significant please ask them here so that potential investors can pool their information.

    Tigerras
    Smash Incorporated
    Posted - 2011.08.07 21:47:00 - [19]
     

    Originally by: RAW23
    Originally by: Tigerras

    I do have a few more questions before I send isk, but will ask them in-game when I have a chance


    If the questions are significant please ask them here so that potential investors can pool their information.


    My questions are merely based on a hunch, and should that hunch be wrong I don't want to damage the success of this bond because I have a hunch. Should it become more than a hunch I will of course post here. Because of the limitations of my eve time I may have to anyway.

    Lyris Nairn
    Caldari
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    Posted - 2011.08.07 21:59:00 - [20]
     

    The plot thickens.

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:20:00 - [21]
     

    I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman...

    I'm in game now.

    Also confirming the receival of a private investor's funds - 200m.

    Tigerras
    Smash Incorporated
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:27:00 - [22]
     

    Well I am not going to be able to ask in game until Tuesday so ill post the questions here.

    Are you intending to sell this character in the near future?

    How often do you sell characters?

    Why in june were you pushing so hard to sell or trade this character?

    To those wondering I found the purchase and sale of an alt in her posting history, which since character transfers seem to be the death of any bond I wanted to be discreet about asking questions. Just a little bit ago I found all the attempts to sell or trade this character, so I figured the right thing to do is to ask publically.

    I have removed my reservation until these questions are satisfactorally answered.

    Elise DarkStar
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:30:00 - [23]
     

    This guy is a scammer and the proof is right on the front page of threads as of my post.

    I'll let you kiddies find the actual proof though, like a scavenger hunt. The winner getting those ultra valuable MD Rep Points.

    Go!

    Lyris Nairn
    Caldari
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:30:00 - [24]
     

    Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 07/08/2011 22:30:56
    Originally by: Tigerras
    Well I am not going to be able to ask in game until Tuesday so ill post the questions here.

    Are you intending to sell this character in the near future?

    How often do you sell characters?

    Why in june were you pushing so hard to sell or trade this character?

    To those wondering I found the purchase and sale of an alt in her posting history, which since character transfers seem to be the death of any bond I wanted to be discreet about asking questions. Just a little bit ago I found all the attempts to sell or trade this character, so I figured the right thing to do is to ask publically.

    I have removed my reservation until these questions are satisfactorally answered.


    Why would you even bother phrasing it in the form of a question? No response that Coffe's Babe can give would satisfy your concern.

    Jerry Pepridge
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:34:00 - [25]
     

    Originally by: Lyris Nairn
    Why would you even bother phrasing it in the form of a question? No response that Coffe's Babe can give would satisfy your concern.


    This is a misty approved troll.

    Never stop kind sir.

    p.s. would like reserve 0b

    Tigerras
    Smash Incorporated
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:40:00 - [26]
     

    Originally by: Lyris Nairn
    Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 07/08/2011 22:30:56
    Originally by: Tigerras
    Well I am not going to be able to ask in game until Tuesday so ill post the questions here.

    Are you intending to sell this character in the near future?

    How often do you sell characters?

    Why in june were you pushing so hard to sell or trade this character?

    To those wondering I found the purchase and sale of an alt in her posting history, which since character transfers seem to be the death of any bond I wanted to be discreet about asking questions. Just a little bit ago I found all the attempts to sell or trade this character, so I figured the right thing to do is to ask publically.

    I have removed my reservation until these questions are satisfactorally answered.


    Why would you even bother phrasing it in the form of a question? No response that Coffe's Babe can give would satisfy your concern.


    Because I'm usually nice and like to give people a chance to explain themselves.

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:50:00 - [27]
     

    Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 22:55:33
    Edited by: Coffe''s Babe on 07/08/2011 22:52:17
    Originally by: Tigerras
    Well I am not going to be able to ask in game until Tuesday so ill post the questions here.

    Are you intending to sell this character in the near future?

    How often do you sell characters?

    Why in june were you pushing so hard to sell or trade this character?

    To those wondering I found the purchase and sale of an alt in her posting history, which since character transfers seem to be the death of any bond I wanted to be discreet about asking questions. Just a little bit ago I found all the attempts to sell or trade this character, so I figured the right thing to do is to ask publically.

    I have removed my reservation until these questions are satisfactorally answered.


    The answer is simple. I only got this character in June. I am the new owner of it. I had to use my first plex with this one 2 days ago and I had like 40 days of time when the char got on my hands.

    I was an ex 2003-2009 player. My main char was Lana Lane for a good time but I also alternated. I only came back recently with the help of the guy I left my stuff with and a few plexes :)

    Regarding the other posters, I can't say I did not expect this kind of trolling tho I'd appreciate if I could conduct my affairs in peace unless you are interested or got some serious issues to raise.

    edit: And I forgot to answer one of your questions Tigerras: I don't plan to sell it. I love this char and what I plan to do with it too much. Plus I'm trying to build rep in other areas (non ISK related) which would just be a waste of time if i were to want to sell any time soon.

    (and the proof that I got this char at that point would be the killboard - i started losing and killing a lot of ships out of the sudden - but I can show a print screen of my account page with key details left out if need be)

    Coffe's Babe
    Caldari
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:54:00 - [28]
     

    Originally by: Jerry Pepridge

    p.s. would like reserve 0b


    I can take this as a sign of trust considering you pledge 20b to every thread that you consider a scam. If this was not your intention, then please show consistency!

    March rabbit
    Posted - 2011.08.07 22:58:00 - [29]
     

    2 billlions is here. let me know when to send it.

    good luck

    Lyris Nairn
    Caldari
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    Posted - 2011.08.07 23:07:00 - [30]
     

    Could you please quote and label the parts where you have been trolled, and then in a separate post quote and label the parts where you have been asked legitimate questions?


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