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isk4trade
Caldari
Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
Posted - 2011.08.06 09:52:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: isk4trade on 06/08/2011 09:56:18
CCP CEO Hilmar states in a Press Release that in DUST, RWM = advanced gear = Eve empires being toppled.

Excerpts below directly from the CCP Press Release which you can find here in its entirety ... http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/ccp's-revolutionary-persistent-shooter-dust-514-to-premiere-exclusively-on-sony-playstation-3.aspx

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...

"When we set out to build a true persistent shooter for consoles, it was evident that Sony's dedication to providing a flexible and MMO-friendly platform --alongside a robust virtual goods business model-- made the PlayStation 3 the natural home for DUST 514," said Hilmar Veigar Pétursson, CEO of CCP. "CCP's ambition is to bring a level of truly meaningful, persistent gameplay to the PlayStation 3 never before seen."

...

"The actions of ground troops and orbiting attack fleets are tightly interwoven, with the real time actions of players in one game directly affecting the other. A single bullet fired on the planet below can pivot the balance of power in EVE Online. Every action has consequences, and every reaction has the potential to topple empires."

...

"In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet."

...

"Players in EVE Online and DUST 514 share a realistic, player-driven economy. Every action in DUST 514 has real consequences that ripple across a persistent universe spanning thousands of star systems. In DUST 514, unlike in any other game, your actions can topple (Eve) empires."

...

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How in HELL comments like those in this Press Release are in accord with other documented comments from Helmar and gang stating that Eve will NOT be a game that one will be able to "pay to win" and proclaiming that "players will NOT be able to buy game changing items with RWM" is WAY beyond my personal powers of reason.

I guess what will happen is what will happen (the old que sera sera scenario) with the people that control the purse strings, and we will either have to do it "their way or the highway" ...

/me sighs



I simply give up trying to understand it all . . .

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.08.06 09:54:00 - [2]
 

In before poor peasants QQ.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.06 09:59:00 - [3]
 

Care levels critically low, captain !

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.06 10:05:00 - [4]
 

Wow OP, you're the first to notice this. Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.08.06 10:53:00 - [5]
 

WTB: translation of nerdrage

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.08.06 10:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Holy One
WTB: translation of nerdrage


RPG element in FPS game scaring person of questionable IQ.

"saddle up boys, out PI is under attack" rage

Not sure what exactly the OP fears, but appears to be some collorary between actions in dust 514 and disbanding alliances in eve misunderstanding.


Neutra RaVe
Amarr
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.06 11:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Holy One
WTB: translation of nerdrage


RPG element in FPS game scaring person of questionable IQ.

"saddle up boys, out PI is under attack" rage

Not sure what exactly the OP fears, but appears to be some collorary between actions in dust 514 and disbanding alliances in eve misunderstanding.



I warned you all about the Quafe star a few months ago...

Quote:
A long time ago in a server far, far away... It is a period of Internet packet war. Internet spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil CCP Empire. During the battle, gankers managed to steal secret plans to CCP's ultimate weapon, the Quafe Star, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet interaction system. Pursued by the CCP's sinister agents, Princess Neutra races home aboard her Internet starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the INTERNETS...

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508379&page=1#30



Diesel47
Posted - 2011.08.06 12:04:00 - [8]
 

All I understood:
"Sony and CCP both are greedy, we like screwing xbox and PC players by becoming an exclusive on a failing console that gets hacked every other week, we also like screwing our loyal EvE players by giving the balance of power in a computer MMO to a bunch of console players who may or may not give a rats ass about anything EvE related."
Confused

Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.06 12:08:00 - [9]
 

"A single bullet fired on the planet below can pivot the balance of power in EVE Online. Every action has consequences, and every reaction has the potential to topple empires."

this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call hype. so don't take it literally.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.06 12:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: isk4trade
"The actions of ground troops and orbiting attack fleets are tightly interwoven, with the real time actions of players in one game directly affecting the other. A single bullet fired on the planet below can pivot the balance of power in EVE Online. Every action has consequences, and every reaction has the potential to topple empires."


Yeah... go save some Retriever in your Rifter to get invited to their alliance, and turn the tide of a great war. Because we all know that really happens.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.06 13:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Care levels critically low, captain !


I hate it, but I must agree.

Don't care anymore.


Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.06 13:16:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.

If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.

If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.

Don't overreact.

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.08.06 14:08:00 - [13]
 

Until they release Dust for the PC I'm not going to blink an eye at anything they show me in that cash cow of a game.

Ammzi
Posted - 2011.08.06 14:14:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: isk4trade


"The actions of ground troops and orbiting attack fleets are tightly interwoven, with the real time actions of players in one game directly affecting the other. A single bullet fired on the planet below can pivot the balance of power in EVE Online. Every action has consequences, and every reaction has the potential to topple empires."

...

"In a departure from the traditional subscription or one-time purchase model, DUST 514 will be supported by revenues from the in-game sale of virtual goods, allowing players to purchase advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles using both earned virtual currency and real money from their PlayStation wallet."

...

"Players in EVE Online and DUST 514 share a realistic, player-driven economy. Every action in DUST 514 has real consequences that ripple across a persistent universe spanning thousands of star systems. In DUST 514, unlike in any other game, your actions can topple (Eve) empires."



TL;DR. The statement is basically that you can buy ingame DUST514 items with real money from the playstation wallet. Later on he proclaims that whatever happens in DUST514 has the ability to affect the universe of EVE massively and toppling alliances.

AKA: Pay2Win from DUST514 affects gameplay in EVE.

Jag Hiroshii
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.06 14:17:00 - [15]
 

General discussion really is in a poor state these days.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.08.06 14:27:00 - [16]
 

Hyperbole.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.06 14:49:00 - [17]
 

Puffery


Puffery as a legal term refers to promotional statements and claims that express subjective rather than objective views, which no "reasonable person" would take literally.[1] Puffery serves to "puff up" an exaggerated image of what is being described and is especially featured in testimonials.


Utremi Fasolasi
Gallente
La Dolce Vita
Posted - 2011.08.06 15:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash


Yeah... go save some Retriever in your Rifter to get invited to their alliance, and turn the tide of a great war. Because we all know that really happens.


It was a Hulk and a Wolf.. do you actually play this game? Shocked

Watch it again.. you can see both ships side by side at :54... Smile

http://youtu.be/oq2oxt7Nrxo

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.08.06 15:21:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 06/08/2011 15:21:39
It's been known for awhile that the game will be free to play, with the exception of a low initial purchase fee. To compensate for the lack of a monthly fee, the game will feature microtransactions. This model is pretty common in free to play online games. Why are you assuming that the game is going to be pay to win automatically? It's pretty ridiculous to jump to conclusions at this point.

mkint
Posted - 2011.08.06 15:21:00 - [20]
 

I've been saying for a while now that all Dust will be is a way for non EVE-ers to grief EVE-ers. If we're really lucky, Dust will fail epically, and we can all get on with our lives. Those 30 dusters that stick it out that first week will not have a significant affect on the real game, no matter how much $ they spend.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.08.06 15:36:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Akita T
Care levels critically low, captain !


I hate it, but I must agree.

Don't care anymore.




Obviously you care enough to post on the forums.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.06 15:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
Obviously you care enough to post on the forums.


If people had to care in order to post this place would be pretty boring.

Stupid McStupidson
Gallente
Hoek Lyne and Sinker
Posted - 2011.08.06 16:59:00 - [23]
 

Obvious hyperbole is obvious

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:13:00 - [24]
 

Still flying my interwab space ships. U MAD BRO?

But seriously, I doubt I will ever see this effect me and my game play in any way... EVER. It's like the guy who does absolutely nothing but pvp's and only gets enough isk a month for ships/equipment and a plex for his/her sub. Then gets upset over something someone is doing in industry. Oh wait those are high security gankers huh...

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:14:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 06/08/2011 15:21:39
It's been known for awhile that the game will be free to play, with the exception of a low initial purchase fee. To compensate for the lack of a monthly fee, the game will feature microtransactions. This model is pretty common in free to play online games. Why are you assuming that the game is going to be pay to win automatically? It's pretty ridiculous to jump to conclusions at this point.


Speaking of jumping to conclusions.

We still have to pay for game time and they haven't announced yet they are going free to play.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.06 17:37:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Razin on 06/08/2011 17:39:50
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.

If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.

If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.

Don't overreact.
The EVE universe never had 'gold ammo'. With DUST going live it will. Without knowing how much better the pay2win items will perform there is no way to know if we need to worry or not. However knowing CCP overreaction sure looks like a more appropriate alternative.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.08.06 18:00:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 06/08/2011 17:39:50
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.

If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.

If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.

Don't overreact.
The EVE universe never had 'gold ammo'. With DUST going live it will. Without knowing how much better the pay2win items will perform there is no way to know if we need to worry or not. However knowing CCP overreaction sure looks like a more appropriate alternative.
It is as if you intentionally ignore the part where he says "can be bought with isk as well." Get a life troll.

Skarned
Inroads
Posted - 2011.08.06 18:08:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.

If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.

If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.

Don't overreact.


You're trying to argue an issue that is purely emotional by using logic. You lose.

It almost doesn't matter how insignificant the ingame RMT sales are, they will always drive away a portion of the playerbase. And it seems like most people's breaking point is where RMT items start actually affecting game mechanics. As far as I know, no gaming company has figured out how to do this in the NA/Euro market without driving away their playerbase... and I don't have much faith that it will be any different for CCP.

It'll probably be fine for the Asian market, they'll make their money there.

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.08.06 18:13:00 - [29]
 

Looks like someone actually believed the hype.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.06 21:07:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 06/08/2011 17:39:50
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/08/2011 13:51:11
The EVE universe has always been a place where the increase in performance separating better modules from more basic ones, or level 5 in a skill from level 4, is (mostly) measured in tiny percentages.

If you're buying, say, special-issue Kameiras armour rather than the default Amarrian armour in DUST 514, then it's not suddenly going to turn you into a God Made Flesh against whom small-arms fire patters harmlessly like soft rain. No, it's going to give you, like, an extra midslot and 5% faster reload speed.

If somebody with the basic sniper rifle headshots you from cover two hundred yards away, you're still just as dead and your fancy, expensive armour really didn't help much. That's the nature of the game we're playing - better tactics trumps better equipment.

Don't overreact.
The EVE universe never had 'gold ammo'. With DUST going live it will. Without knowing how much better the pay2win items will perform there is no way to know if we need to worry or not. However knowing CCP overreaction sure looks like a more appropriate alternative.
It is as if you intentionally ignore the part where he says "can be bought with isk as well." Get a life troll.
He says no such thing. Learn to read.


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