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Nor Tzestu
Amarr
Boxwater Intelligence
Posted - 2011.08.06 21:26:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Alexa Akiga
Edited by: Alexa Akiga on 06/08/2011 19:03:44
Most of you dont even fly battleships in pvp, so you have no clue. I have more sp than most of you, and the guy claiming he has 3.5 mill sp like its alot is a moron. Like I said any one of you want to go 1v1 in their bs let me know. I will take u in my omen and laugh in ur face.

Accedently responded with my alt....


Actually it was to prove that even with low SP, it's really easy. So yeah, your omen against my tier 1 BS. Kill mail to be posted once your in your pod. For real though, we'll figure out a time and place very soon.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.08.06 21:53:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: TheKalila
Originally by: Helena Vexar
I cant tell you how many hurricanes have owned my gedddon one on one while having them webbed and scrammed with a pretty good fit. You just cant hit anything worth a damn close range. And no it does not apply with cruisers and bcs. I can hit frigs easy with cruisers and bcs, bs guns are just really bad for amarr at least. I dont fly other races ships. But you are welcome to check my profile and skills if u think my skills are bad, because they are not.


I think I see your problem: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9938101


Laughing

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.06 22:38:00 - [33]
 

Oh, c'mon. It's not THAT bad...

I mean sure, he's missing a rig, using a nos instead of a neut, a scram instead of a warp disruptor, and doesn't have T2 guns, but...

...well, I've seen worse. (The X-ray is a little weird...)

Palmput
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2011.08.06 23:23:00 - [34]
 

I hear expensive faction battleships make good bait. YARRRR!!

Pharos Pharos
Posted - 2011.08.07 01:01:00 - [35]
 

Two words: Heavy nuets. God they are sexy. I'll take a tempest over anything smaller any day, and all of the other BS's have their roles as well - though most are not as proficient as soloing as the tempest/domi, which are two of my favorite ships in EVE.


Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2011.08.07 01:37:00 - [36]
 

The problem with BSs is versatility...
Usually BSs are one-trick ponies, or their fits have to be specialized in order for them to perform (at least out-perform smaller ships, especially BCs which atm are the base of comparison for versatility).

Most BSs are slow: even nano-tempests and phoons are slower than BCs, their shield buffer tanks are unimpressive with terrible recharge rate.
The Macha is the obvious exception, but it's pricey and far from un-catchable. Its a super-duper nano-cane, yes, but for that price is not that OP to be broken.

Active tanked BSs can pwn solo or in small gangs, especially with proper support skills, drugs, links etc.
Active tank BSs do shine when lightly outnumbered, and when the enemy does not spec-fit to beat your ship. If it's not for station or gate games, almost all BSs but the Macha are usually a bad choice for solo/small gangs, simply cause running away when thinks go blobby above a critical mass, is nearly impossible.

Sniping BSs do stuff, usually bad for really small gangs unless you gank ppl - aka linked un-catch-able ceptors / drams + ECM support + few sniping BSs (unprobable Machas and Nightmares used to be the i-win for untouchability).

In lvl 4 mission grinding no ship can match certain BSs for dmg projection @ range. You get close or better then most proper fitted, mission running T1 BSs with maxed out Tengus and/or Nighthawks costing a small fortune (and a decent amount of SP), but that's hardly something to really brag about.

So yeah, when a BS enters your grid, you rarely scream in agony -
The tide changers are still e-war ships and logistics (ok, Scorpion is in this category but underated).
The old rule of thumb is still true:

Tackle > Ewar > Gank > Tank.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.07 07:26:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Alexa Akiga
Edited by: Alexa Akiga on 06/08/2011 19:03:44
Most of you dont even fly battleships in pvp, so you have no clue. I have more sp than most of you, and the guy claiming he has 3.5 mill sp like its alot is a moron. Like I said any one of you want to go 1v1 in their bs let me know. I will take u in my omen and laugh in ur face.

Accedently responded with my alt....


I do fly BS on a regular basis and can tell you have very little experience or you are terrible flying them.

Ethan Lang
Posted - 2011.08.08 21:53:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Ethan Lang on 08/08/2011 21:56:30
My original point wasn't that BS's were worthless. Or that they couldn't perform. Hell, with enough SP and ISK you can make any ship perform.

What I am saying is it seems that BS's aren't really worth the ISK and SP. Thier nich is too narrow, they lack versatility, require huge investments of ISK and SP to even be worth undocking, and rely too heavily on fleet support to be effective. Combine this with the fact that their combat capabilities aren't all that much better than smaller, faster, more versatile ships.

Seems I'm not alone in this opinion. But I'm just a noob. what do I know.

Makko Gray
Pheno-Tech Industries
Crimson Wings.
Posted - 2011.08.08 22:51:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Ethan Lang
Edited by: Ethan Lang on 08/08/2011 21:56:30
My original point wasn't that BS's were worthless. Or that they couldn't perform. Hell, with enough SP and ISK you can make any ship perform.

What I am saying is it seems that BS's aren't really worth the ISK and SP. Thier nich is too narrow, they lack versatility, require huge investments of ISK and SP to even be worth undocking, and rely too heavily on fleet support to be effective. Combine this with the fact that their combat capabilities aren't all that much better than smaller, faster, more versatile ships.

Seems I'm not alone in this opinion. But I'm just a noob. what do I know.


They are definitely not quick ships to be able to jump into and perform well but they're not niche either, some perhaps but a lot are pretty versatile. I suppose huge investments in ISK and SP is a relative term, compared to carriers or faction BS they're cheap as hell and you get all the skills on the way to those beasts anyway.

They don't always require fleet support but it comes down to fit and tactics, ultimately though no ship in EVE is supposed to fill all roles and as such I personally think a BS will work best in at least a small gang as you do lose some of the GTFO as you go up the ship classes.

Generally though you shouldn't struggle with BCs in a BS unless they have support such as tracking disruption or jams or you're pretty outnumbered. If you do you're almost certainly not skilled enough, doing it wrong or both. Often the real problem I've seen for solo BS pilots comes from frigates or recons who can be hard to touch and hold you there until their mates arrive.

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:01:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Diomidis
So yeah, when a BS enters your grid, you rarely scream in agony -


Only one BS was capable of creating the feeling of meeting your butcher, a very long time ago as it was around 1400m/s fast, dished out 102% dps at point blank and most BS had less EHP than BCs today.

Well since QR(hey nearly 3 years now) they are to slow, to sluggish(at least everything that is not a mach/pest/phoon) and not really effective at closer ranges vs smaller stuff, at least in solo/small gang pvp.

Outside of bigger fleets with lots of dedicated tackle or situations where mobility not really matters(undock pvp, meh) BCs are more useful most of the time, since the better ability to hit smaller stuff and the extra speed is more handy and often evens out the DPS difference.



Orlacc
Posted - 2011.08.08 23:18:00 - [41]
 

Flown correctly, a BS is an engine of destruction in missions.

Salen Kane
Amarr
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Posted - 2011.08.09 05:39:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Helena Vexar


Well if a ship needs to rely on a fleet, it doesn't speak well for its effectivness.


Yeah, those logistics sure are useless.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.08.09 08:24:00 - [43]
 

Battleships are really good, but like everyone said, they do need a lot of SP to shine. I used to hate them in the past and only really got into them after having great support skills. For flat out damage dealing at a reasonable range, you really can't beat a battleship. Some T3's will come close in damage and certainly can have a better tank and survivability, but will have issues with range. Everything else won't do nearly as much damage, unless you count field command ships which are a long train as well and can suffer from the same medium gun range.

That doesn't mean they're awesome in all situations though, and for defense against smaller stuff you really NEED a heavy energy neutralizer. But they certainly have their place.

That said, smaller stuff is usually more fun to fly in my opinion.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.08.09 09:26:00 - [44]
 

I bring your attention to the typhoon.

[Typhoon, Its A Phoon Phool]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1

This will destroy a BC or hac, its fast (for a BS), has a nice tank, ok dps (not huge but it can hit a cruiser easy), and most importantly can neut most things dry faster than my ex

luvmehard
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:23:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
I bring your attention to the typhoon.

[Typhoon, Its A Phoon Phool]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1

This will destroy a BC or hac, its fast (for a BS), has a nice tank, ok dps (not huge but it can hit a cruiser easy), and most importantly can neut most things dry faster than my ex



Just out of curiosity..what's the current market value of those two battleship-size COSMOS/Storyline items?

Not to mention you cannot fit all that without a PG implant.

What is wrong with the torp/neut Thrashcan™ anyway? Is that the higher EHP? Or is it that it sucks more cap? Or the fact that it puts out three times the damage of your Phool Phoon?

Donot Killmeh
Posted - 2011.08.09 11:40:00 - [46]
 

Well. I hate to fly those big and slow busses. But when I sometimes do L4 missions my PvE Nightmare and Machariel are quite nice. Machariel feels like BC anyway since speed and agility. Combined with over 1000 DPS it makes a nice ship.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:02:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: luvmehard
Originally by: ChromeStriker
I bring your attention to the typhoon.

[Typhoon, Its A Phoon Phool]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1

This will destroy a BC or hac, its fast (for a BS), has a nice tank, ok dps (not huge but it can hit a cruiser easy), and most importantly can neut most things dry faster than my ex



Just out of curiosity..what's the current market value of those two battleship-size COSMOS/Storyline items?

Not to mention you cannot fit all that without a PG implant.

What is wrong with the torp/neut Thrashcan™ anyway? Is that the higher EHP? Or is it that it sucks more cap? Or the fact that it puts out three times the damage of your Phool Phoon?


errr.... there aren't any faction/storyline mods..... just named n T2 Wink

a pg 1 implant isnt exactly expensive (far far from it) and if its THAT much of a problem remove or downgrade the med neut.

ok well first- torps wont do jack all against a HAC or similar so your 3x (paper dps) isnt really 3x, the EHP is negligably different, and this thing neuts enough as it is...

Post your fit? i just think this would do better for this topic...

luvmehard
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.09 12:19:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
Originally by: luvmehard
Originally by: ChromeStriker
I bring your attention to the typhoon.

[Typhoon, Its A Phoon Phool]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

100MN Digital Booster Rockets
Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I


Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II x1

This will destroy a BC or hac, its fast (for a BS), has a nice tank, ok dps (not huge but it can hit a cruiser easy), and most importantly can neut most things dry faster than my ex



Just out of curiosity..what's the current market value of those two battleship-size COSMOS/Storyline items?

Not to mention you cannot fit all that without a PG implant.

What is wrong with the torp/neut Thrashcan™ anyway? Is that the higher EHP? Or is it that it sucks more cap? Or the fact that it puts out three times the damage of your Phool Phoon?


errr.... there aren't any faction/storyline mods..... just named n T2 Wink

a pg 1 implant isnt exactly expensive (far far from it) and if its THAT much of a problem remove or downgrade the med neut.

ok well first- torps wont do jack all against a HAC or similar so your 3x (paper dps) isnt really 3x, the EHP is negligably different, and this thing neuts enough as it is...

Post your fit? i just think this would do better for this topic...
Your MWD and Cap Booster...


[Typhoon, Torp Neut]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Ogre II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

(yes, I know there is no propulsion mod, this is a "drop on you" fit)

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:01:00 - [49]
 

[Typhoon, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Cynosural Field Generator I

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5


Used in a gang, this phoon can out run most BCTwisted Evil

Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:35:00 - [50]
 

i feel that some lower tier BS needs some better room for fitting to be able to compete.

another thing could be to make BS in general more agile and faster without going overboard with the mach again so to speak.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.08.09 13:46:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: ChromeStriker on 09/08/2011 13:51:31
Originally by: luvmehard

Your MWD and Cap Booster...

[Typhoon, Torp Neut]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Ogre II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

(yes, I know there is no propulsion mod, this is a "drop on you" fit)


Right.... so you know the 'brave' cap booster is just a meta4 item (best named) and the 100mn digital ect is the mwd meta equivilent, theyre not story or faction or similar.

your phoon doesnt move. at all. by the tyme you actually lock a cruiser it would have had tyme to think... S**T a battle ship!!! omg omg omg... wtf am i going to do???? s**T ok chill chill lets get out of here...wait... hmm no guns... must be a torp phoon... il just move over...here and kite him... bwa ha ha
your fit might (might) work against another brick BS but anything else will just stoll away.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:38:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
Right.... so you know the 'brave' cap booster is just a meta4 item (best named) and the 100mn digital ect is the mwd meta equivilent, theyre not story or faction or similar.

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE FCKING EFT WARRIOR also you write like you're a 13 year old.

I mean, it doesn't show up in the "Faction," "Deadspace," or "Officer" tabs in EFT, so it must just be meta4 right?

The meta4 cap booster is the Heavy Electrochemical. The equivalent MWD is the Quad LiF one. The 'Brave' Capacitor booster and Digital Booster rockets ARE storyline items obtained from COSMOS missions. If you actually bothered to check the prices ingame and stopped talking out of your arse you'd know this.

BTW there's almost no point in fitting turrets to a phoon. Use a Tempest. The Phoon is used because it's the only armor tanking missle BS in the game (and it does it pretty well.)

Helena Vexar
Posted - 2011.08.09 14:59:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: TheKalila
Originally by: Helena Vexar
I cant tell you how many hurricanes have owned my gedddon one on one while having them webbed and scrammed with a pretty good fit. You just cant hit anything worth a damn close range. And no it does not apply with cruisers and bcs. I can hit frigs easy with cruisers and bcs, bs guns are just really bad for amarr at least. I dont fly other races ships. But you are welcome to check my profile and skills if u think my skills are bad, because they are not.


I think I see your problem: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9938101


Besides the t2 guns, I really dont see how the fit is bad. That fit with 5 million sp in gunnery could not hit that cane for **** even with a TE and a web on him. I think my point is pretty much proven by posting that actually. And t2 guns dont make that much of a difference

Laughing

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: ChromeStriker
Right.... so you know the 'brave' cap booster is just a meta4 item (best named) and the 100mn digital ect is the mwd meta equivilent, theyre not story or faction or similar.

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE FCKING EFT WARRIOR also you write like you're a 13 year old.

I mean, it doesn't show up in the "Faction," "Deadspace," or "Officer" tabs in EFT, so it must just be meta4 right?

The meta4 cap booster is the Heavy Electrochemical. The equivalent MWD is the Quad LiF one. The 'Brave' Capacitor booster and Digital Booster rockets ARE storyline items obtained from COSMOS missions. If you actually bothered to check the prices ingame and stopped talking out of your arse you'd know this.

BTW there's almost no point in fitting turrets to a phoon. Use a Tempest. The Phoon is used because it's the only armor tanking missle BS in the game (and it does it pretty well.)


wow agro much Shocked
I stand corrected, i appologise that i dont spend 18 hours a day on eft and took something at face value. i just knocked out a fit, to fit, a point lol, and im sure those of us that dont have all skills to 5 wont be able to change a fit to suit.

Yes yes phoons are awesome missile platforms, never said different, but i stand by what i said, you will have ALLOT of trouble trying to keep a hac/most BC's in your sit in a brick fit.

Whats wrong with how i write? is this an assesment on grammer all of a sudden? Crying or Very sad

Hwong Jian
Posted - 2011.08.09 15:13:00 - [55]
 

As a side note, anyone that fits a battleship for more than just "teh lulz" knows that one of your better alternatives is to step down your cap booster one size and use faction booster chargers.

A medium cap booster II can hold 2 or 3 navy cap booster 800s. And, it uses a whole lot less pg.

And, before you whine about the cost of faction 800s, I'm in the militia so they're very cheap for me, since they're on the militia LP store. Also, compare them to the price difference between a medium and large cap booster, and amount of pg it frees up in your fit.

Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.08.09 16:34:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Hwong Jian
As a side note, anyone that fits a battleship for more than just "teh lulz" knows that one of your better alternatives is to step down your cap booster one size and use faction booster chargers.

A medium cap booster II can hold 2 or 3 navy cap booster 800s. And, it uses a whole lot less pg.

And, before you whine about the cost of faction 800s, I'm in the militia so they're very cheap for me, since they're on the militia LP store. Also, compare them to the price difference between a medium and large cap booster, and amount of pg it frees up in your fit.


Th main difference is between firing time and reload time if you are being heavily neuted a medium booster can inject 800 cap every 22 seconds. The heavy cap booster can inject 4800 cap every 82 seconds. This is using t2 items (not overheated) with faction charges. I know which I would prefer. Granted for the phoon it isnt as big a problem because it is using its cap for only neuts and mwd, but it can and probably will be an issue only using the medium cap booster.

A T2 Medium cap booster has 40m3 capacity, a navy 800 is 24m3. It can hold one navy 800 charge. It cannot hold "2 or 3".

And to finish up your last point. "Minerals I mine are free!"

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.09 17:37:00 - [57]
 

Personally, I blame EFT for the storyline item confusion. Storyline items should be grouped into the faction category. This is what pyfa has chosen to do, and as often as not it's much closer to that tier in production cost and rarity.

If nothing else, it's easier to pick them out among the faction variants than among the generic T1 crap.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:02:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Skex Relbore on 09/08/2011 21:05:34
Originally by: Aamrr
Oh, c'mon. It's not THAT bad...

I mean sure, he's missing a rig, using a nos instead of a neut, a scram instead of a warp disruptor, and doesn't have T2 guns, but...

...well, I've seen worse. (The X-ray is a little weird...)


Yeah it really is that bad. A laser BS with no cap booster? That is utter and complete fail right there. Then we have the scram+ web on a ship that has an optimal of over 20km, even multi has an optimal well outside of scram/web range yet here he has it fit like it's a Mega.

Honestly the fact that it's got T1 guns is indication enough that this character should not be PVPing in these Battleships, I didn't even buy a Amarr BS until I had T2 Large pulses.

It's scorch that makes lasers the cat's meow and you gotta have T2 to do that. Hell Mega Pulse with Scorch has a longer range than those Meta Tach's with Multi that Helena lost on that Abaddon back in June as well as higher damage.

Oh why the hell is that, Helena? You've been playing a few months more than me yet you still haven't trained Large T2 lasers? Hell I've got Large Lasers, Projectiles and Hybrids in that time plus damned near perfect support skills and all 4 races T1 combat ships. All you seem to fly is Amarr one would think you'd have well focused skills in them.

Looking at other losses Helena could use some serous PVP lessons.

I mean really coming here and talking crap about how other people are fail PVPers with that Killboard?

As far as the OP's point goes, Battleships have their uses, when you really absolutely positively want to lay down some serious hurt on someone or you want to scout an undock (non-kickout station of course).

Yes they don't really start to shine until you can fully T2 fit them and have good support skills but a good BS pilot will tear a battle cruiser to pieces and would eat small cruiser gangs as a light snack.

Combine them with a well balanced fleet with proper support (Logis, Recons, Dictors ect.) and things get real interesting.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.09 21:04:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Skex Relbore on 09/08/2011 21:04:44
bleh meant to edit not quote.

Nezumiiro Noneko
Posted - 2011.08.10 00:46:00 - [60]
 

Its not really that BS' are meh...its jsut they aren't you most likely. In the same boat on my combat char. I run them...jsut don't really like em.


MOnths of training...to pop pos'. get a fleet fight and when its my turn in the primary list when out in 0.0 it goes boom lol (its a fleet fit made by vets may more bitter than my meager 2 years and change lol...). Not like this fixed with skills either....all skills 5 ain't saving you from a 40 bs primary callout when stuck in a bubble from a skilled dictor drive by lol.


PVE..meh...I jsut like tengu more tbh. Can be fit to be way more soloable in 0.0. Or if on an empire break like now...not hitting eve survival is nice if I can't recall if mission x really needs an AB for wtf gate crawls more...or pull it for more tank. tengu, yeah, the AB is apart of your tank and alwasy on lol.

If you like your small ships, jsut deal with the bs ops. What I did. get those pos's popped, come home and wiat for a more fun roam. Or if a competent fc...makea a fleet and broadcast it. If you make it, they will come lol.


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