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Bob Niac
Gallente
freelancers inc
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:05:00 - [1]
 

Gonna enrage people with this one. However, I think it makes sense, no split ships anymore, so bonuses can be focused.

Basilisk: Shield Transfer
Oneiros: Remote Armor Repairer
Guardian: Energy Transfer
Scimitar: Dunno .. Tracking seems kind of pointless .. ECCM?

Also I think CCP should move the +transfer bonus to -cycle time. Makes for a more even flow of repair, and frigs / Drones actually have a chance of being combat repaired.

grazer gin
Posted - 2011.08.03 22:22:00 - [2]
 

Lol no i wont even bother saying why

PS.You can get some great prices on the underside of a bridge in C+P

Spartis Reave
Gallente
Applied Creations
Posted - 2011.08.03 23:17:00 - [3]
 

No, next time you decide to be so stupid please include cheese somewhere in your post so I can giggle instead of facepalm.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.04 14:56:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Bob Niac
Gonna enrage people with this one. However, I think it makes sense, no split ships anymore, so bonuses can be focused.

Basilisk: Shield Transfer
Oneiros: Remote Armor Repairer
Guardian: Energy Transfer
Scimitar: Dunno .. Tracking seems kind of pointless .. ECCM?

Also I think CCP should move the +transfer bonus to -cycle time. Makes for a more even flow of repair, and frigs / Drones actually have a chance of being combat repaired.


I understand what you are getting at. But saying that the guardian and onerios are to similar is like saying a raven and an dominix are to similar because they both do damage.

Healing damage is what logi's do...if they don't repair damage there is no point. Also the current logi are wonderfully balanced and different(except onerios)

Who would bring a guardian to a fleet if it did not provide reps?

Comy 1
Ore Mongers
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2011.08.04 16:30:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Comy 1 on 04/08/2011 16:30:16
Originally by: Bob Niac
Oneiros: Remote Armor Repairer

Quote:
Bob Niac
Gallente
freelancers inc
Imperial 0rder


I see what you did there.

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.08.04 17:03:00 - [6]
 


Removing the Repping ability from a logi would completely obsolete it!

Besides, all logi's have 2 bonuses, not one...

Guard = Armor Reps + Energy Xfer
Onieros = Armor Reps + Tracking Links
Basilisk = Shield Reps + Energy Xfer
Scimitar = Shield Reps + Tracking Links

You could make an argument that Tracking Links just aren't as useful as Energy Transfers, and that they Onieros/Scimi should have a better second bonus, but you can't take away repping form a logi ships without making it useless!

Are the scanning frigates with a damage bonus and a scanning bonus a split ship?
Are ships with an armor/shield resistance bonus and a damage bonus a split ship?
Are ships with a cargo hold bonus and a mining bonus a split ship?
Are ships with a tractor beam bonus and a damage/salvaging/repping bonus a split ship?
Are ships with an active tank bonus and a damage bonus a split ship?
Are ships with bonus' to two different types of weapon systems a split ship?
Are ships with an EWAR bonus and a damage bonus a split ship?
Are ships with multiple EWAR bonuses split ships?

Almost ever ship in eve falls into one of the above categories... So what do you mean by no more split ships anymore?

Bob Niac
Gallente
freelancers inc
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.08.05 04:08:00 - [7]
 

Split bonuses for something that alters the setup of a ship to the point that you fit 3 logi modukes instead of 6. And please dont whine "oh the gardian would become useless." Because as a level 5 logi pilot in all 4 ships, and carrier in amarr and caldari, I call bull.

Logi is about working together at its core. We are the good guys. So if you can bring one race and be good, fine. But personally I hate seeing that guy who can only fly caldari be shut down because it's scimis only, for example.

So let's be able to bring one ship to the table and have it work well. But let's also have the option to bring all 4 of them so we can be brilliant.

So.. 5 high slots. Ships are cap stable with 5 transfers running in battery mode and logi 5, 3 with a tank.

Amarr distibutes cap to basi/one and scimi.

Basi reps other basi and... Actually.. Caldari are ECM *****s. ECCM for them? Anti jam ftw.

Onerios rem rep themselves and gardian.

Scimi gets shields.

It might be a hell tank tho.

Lt banaan
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.08.06 02:04:00 - [8]
 

Quote:
But personally I hate seeing that guy who can only fly caldari be shut down because it's scimis only, for example.


This part made me gigle the most, since that line i cant take u seriously anymore.

Bob Niac
Gallente
freelancers inc
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.08.06 04:32:00 - [9]
 

Elighten me. I know it was because my FCs were ******s, but it still happens.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.06 04:40:00 - [10]
 

Pathetic Rolling Eyes

Manique
Caldari
Ominous Corp
Posted - 2011.08.06 04:53:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Manique on 06/08/2011 05:20:47
I am logi 4, and I fly basilisk all the time, although I can fly scimi and guardian and soon oneiros all at level 5 support skills. I would like you to think why am I always flying the basilisk and only it ;)

Andy Landen
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.11 04:37:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Andy Landen on 11/08/2011 04:55:34
Copied here: Logi Improvement Suggestion

No one uses remote tracking links on the Oneiros or scimi. Furthermore, with good skills, a Basi or Guardian can easily fit and power 5 Lg RR with a single Lg Energy Transfer bounce between them. I think that with similarly good skills an Oneiros or Scimi should be able to fit and power 5 Lg RR too.
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My logistics proposal:
Let's just make logistics simply little carriers. Helps in training for the roles.

Basi and Scimi: Bonus Shield resists (+5%). Bonus Shield RR and Energy transfer cap activation amount (-15%) and range (+150%). CPU need for shield transporter (-50%) and PG for Energy transfer (-50%).

Guardian and Oneiros: Bonus armor resists (+5%). Bonus Armor RR and Energy transfer cap activation amount (-15%) and range (+150%). PG need for Armor RR (-65%) and PG for Energy transfer (-50%).

All logi: Drone Bay 100 and bandwidth 50. Sensor strength 28. 6 High slots. Reduce PG and CPU for respective RR modules as current. Adapt CPU and PG of each to enable 5 lg respective RR and 1 lg Energy to be fit with logistics 5.

Marak Mocam
Posted - 2011.08.11 10:49:00 - [13]
 

I'm not enraged. More a /facepalm reaction.

Basilisk - groups of logistics backing up fleets using shields.
Guardian - groups of logistics backing up fleets using armor.

Scimitar - soloist logistics backing up a small gang using shields.
Oneiros - soloist logistics backing up small gang using armor.

That's pretty much how they work. Both the Oneiros and Scimitar can get cap stable while fulfilling their mission. Basilisk and Guardians hit issues so the power transfer helps address it.

The problem: "small gangs using armor" don't really work well in the game. They are slow and, as such, the Oneiros really doesn't have a spot that it shines at. Also, to get it well tanked, the Oneiros fits a shield tank. Kind of b-ass ackwards from how it should fit to do its job well.

What is needed is some adjustment to the Oneiros so it can "fit properly" to get its job done and match up with how the other 3 logistics ships work. The situation sucks but it is "odd-man-out".

Tub Chil
Posted - 2011.08.11 15:26:00 - [14]
 

you should totally set up a gang supported like this and bring to 77s


 

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