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Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.03 17:24:00 - [1]
 

I miss this feature and think it would be great to have it back.

At the moment the money in peoples wallets is too secure, especially with the crippling nerfs CCP implemented to market and contract scamming. It's time this game got it's ragged edges back Twisted Evil

Making PLEX transportable was a step in the right direction without simply making loot pinatas out of everybody.

We could require cash-on-hand for certain services, placing it at risk, or perhaps we could use it to implement black-market trading where there is no paperwork (and will not show on API records which corps are so keen on prying into before accepting members).

I think this will help in some way to make EVE the happy, dangerous place it used to be.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.03 17:27:00 - [2]
 

This would be awesome. I fully support bringing this back.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.08.03 17:30:00 - [3]
 

If incarna is to be useful for anything but space barbie dolls, then we should be able to do player to player transactions in person, with out a api trail.

I also agree that too many alliances/corps are far to eager to snoop around if our personal business. It's bad enough they already see your alts on same account, but to be able to peer into your transaction history is far too much.

Reworking API doesn't cut it either, because recruiters will still require to see the full api regardless if ccp adds the ability to make custom api's or not.

Takamori Maruyama
Amarr
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:18:00 - [4]
 

Smugglers would love this feature.

As for drug dealers too...And if we could go beyond , maybe new kinds of weapon that are prohibited in the normal market?

Kivvic
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:42:00 - [5]
 

The only problem with this is wouldn't the withdraw itself be traceable via the API because it interacts with the wallet?
Maybe make it would be better if you could hide the withdraw under another purchase, or something along those lines.


Also, it would probably need to be tracked by CCP in some way, otherwise RMTers would have an easy backdoor to selling their money via this method.

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:44:00 - [6]
 

What's the point? Player A and Player B meet a station. Player A converts some isk into the "isk item" and contracts it to Player B in exchange for items or services. Player B converts the "isk item" back into isk. No additional risk except for the already existant risk of losing your ship/pod enroute to the station. Travelling to an agreed upon station would already be required if a transfer of items is involved.

Thomas Turnpoint
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:49:00 - [7]
 

Cash (paper isk) could be used to buy or sell items in systems based on sec level, but not divided sharply by high/low/null.
For instance, you rat in a 0.6 system. You can hit the lone station in that system and sell the loot for cash, or you can jump to the next system that has a station connected with the galactic bank network where all items can be bought and sold for electronic isk.
Or, maybe you only have cash as an option when you have lower standings with a station corporation. Just like higher standings will give you lower tax rates on refining, higher standings grants access to bank networks and use of electronic isk.

Cash won't be allowed in 1.0 space. Electronic won't be allowed in Null.

When transporting drugs through various locations (however it is done), if you get caught by concord, you get a pop up window that offers you a chance to pay a cash bribe to be let through.

Outside of that, the electronic version of isk stays as it is.

Way way to much work for CCP of course, as it would take more than a couple minutes to implement.






Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.03 18:51:00 - [8]
 

The point is, for a little bit of effort, you can mask your interactions from prying eyes. Yes the API might reveal that you withdrew untraceable ISK from your wallet, but will not reveal the purpose or with whom you have had dealings. CCP should keep a log of it of course but not everything has to be included in an exportable API.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:18:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
The point is, for a little bit of effort, you can mask your interactions from prying eyes. Yes the API might reveal that you withdrew untraceable ISK from your wallet, but will not reveal the purpose or with whom you have had dealings. CCP should keep a log of it of course but not everything has to be included in an exportable API.


Or you could just not give your full API to anyone.

Seems to me hiding transactions is a good way to launder RMT ISK. I don't like that.

Mr Epeen Cool

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:24:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Lady Spank
The point is, for a little bit of effort, you can mask your interactions from prying eyes. Yes the API might reveal that you withdrew untraceable ISK from your wallet, but will not reveal the purpose or with whom you have had dealings. CCP should keep a log of it of course but not everything has to be included in an exportable API.


Or you could just not give your full API to anyone.

Seems to me hiding transactions is a good way to launder RMT ISK. I don't like that.

Mr Epeen Cool


Congratulations on completely failing to read the topic. This is a way to circumvent the standardised demand from CEO's to pry into my personal business. Yes you can refuse your API and not get accepted but it is very limiting to think that way. This puts a players right to privacy back in his own control and doesn't just hand power positioning to CEOs.

I know what kind of poster you are though so this is the last time I respond to you and it is only for the benefit of intelligent people that wish to contribute to the thread.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:28:00 - [11]
 

This sounds like "checks" in Ultima Online. UO Gold there was a physical item and had a weight so carrying large amounts was difficult. This of course isn't an issue for EVE with everything being electronic.

My question is, aren't private contracts about the same thing as that old feature? Or are you just wanting a physical bank cheque that can be dropped? Kind of like PLEX but with variable amounts YARRRR!!.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:38:00 - [12]
 

I'd support this for isk / aurum as long as it doesn't suddenly make life a lot easier for isk launderers and a lot harder for the GMs and other staff trying to catch them.

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:01:00 - [13]
 

Wow. An eight-year old reference. You really need a hobby. Try something that gets you outside once in a while.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:16:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

Or are you just wanting a physical bank cheque that can be dropped? Kind of like PLEX but with variable amounts YARRRR!!.


This is the allure for me.

I would probably never use the feature, and likewise I will probably never undock with a PLEX in my hold. But I salivate over the prospect of ganking someone with a PLEX in their hold, and I think it would be great to have that same sort of opportunity with isk. Plus the RPers will love it, and we should throw them a bone every now and then too right?

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:19:00 - [15]
 

If privacy is the whole point, then perhaps it would be more straightforward to petition for the removal of send/receiptent info from the api. CCP should keep this info for its own records, of course, but that doesn't mean it has to be revealed to other players. I'm not aware of another MMORPG that allows a third party to view all of a player's assests. Its usually limited to a player's stats, skills, and currently equipped items.

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:17:00 - [16]
 

I remember WAAAAAAAAAAY back when we use to be able to do this - Keep stacks of isk in your hangar or container.
Kinds bummed when they took it out, not that it had many practical uses.

It does make it easier to track ISK sellers without it.

Jack Tronic
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stiller
If privacy is the whole point, then perhaps it would be more straightforward to petition for the removal of send/receiptent info from the api. CCP should keep this info for its own records, of course, but that doesn't mean it has to be revealed to other players. I'm not aware of another MMORPG that allows a third party to view all of a player's assests. Its usually limited to a player's stats, skills, and currently equipped items.


But EVE does not require you give out your API either. I for one actually use the sender/reciever info personally for my own uses.

Talia Orion Winters
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:29:00 - [18]
 

Why in the hell would a player put his isk into cash in the first place? Debit is no good in 0.0? There's no ATMs in 0.0? This thread reeks of fail.

Jack Freely
Merchants Exports
Rising Phoenix Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:36:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This sounds like "checks" in Ultima Online. UO Gold there was a physical item and had a weight so carrying large amounts was difficult. This of course isn't an issue for EVE with everything being electronic.

My question is, aren't private contracts about the same thing as that old feature? Or are you just wanting a physical bank cheque that can be dropped? Kind of like PLEX but with variable amounts YARRRR!!.


Please do not go the way of UO and baby the game. Gold is UO was so much fun to steal from peoples houses or at the bank before the check system was put in place. UO was hardcore game, till the bears took it over and destroyed what made it fun. Which was the breaking of weapons and armor; that nothing lasted forever and nothing was out of reach as you could stealth in to someones house and steal an item from them when they would pick it up or unlock it.

Eve needs to embrace the cold and let the bears go sod off.

CanIPost Please
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:46:00 - [20]
 

This feature would make sense if transactions conducted with "cash" were not taxed or tracked by the SCC or player/NPC corporation, there were no broker's fees associated with it, and if you could demand cash-only for a purchase, like, for, say . . . iunno, maybe . . . some incredibly cheap megacyte or a good deal on a faction ship . . . maybe in a 0.2 system with only one chokep . . . errrr . . . entrance from high sec.

Kulkulza
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:57:00 - [21]
 

I guess im too much of a noob but... I dont really get this. I can see the appeal for "drug dealers" and "smugglers" if that meant anything to me. You mean people who trade illegal items? Who gives anyway? Corps i suppose. And API doesnt mean anything to me either >.<

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.03 22:30:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Jack Freely
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This sounds like "checks" in Ultima Online. UO Gold there was a physical item and had a weight so carrying large amounts was difficult. This of course isn't an issue for EVE with everything being electronic.

My question is, aren't private contracts about the same thing as that old feature? Or are you just wanting a physical bank cheque that can be dropped? Kind of like PLEX but with variable amounts YARRRR!!.


Please do not go the way of UO and baby the game. Gold is UO was so much fun to steal from peoples houses or at the bank before the check system was put in place. UO was hardcore game, till the bears took it over and destroyed what made it fun. Which was the breaking of weapons and armor; that nothing lasted forever and nothing was out of reach as you could stealth in to someones house and steal an item from them when they would pick it up or unlock it.

Eve needs to embrace the cold and let the bears go sod off.


This. the API needs a nerf, a fairly hard one at that.

Mspaine
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.08.03 22:43:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Mutnin
If incarna is to be useful for anything but space barbie dolls, then we should be able to do player to player transactions in person, with out a api trail.

I also agree that too many alliances/corps are far to eager to snoop around if our personal business. It's bad enough they already see your alts on same account, but to be able to peer into your transaction history is far too much.

Reworking API doesn't cut it either, because recruiters will still require to see the full api regardless if ccp adds the ability to make custom api's or not.




You'd be susprised how many people ask for you're API yet never check it.


Izziee
Posted - 2011.08.03 23:11:00 - [24]
 

What is API and how does it work?

please!

Thank you kindly.


Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.08.03 23:57:00 - [25]
 

Beign able to pay hard cash to someone like contract killer in station would greatly increase the amount of corpses floating around station airlocks.

However as some stations are overpopulated, I strongly support this idea/feature (in multiplayer incarna enviroment) to fix the problem.


Postrem Inkunen
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:14:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This sounds like "checks" in Ultima Online. UO Gold there was a physical item and had a weight so carrying large amounts was difficult. This of course isn't an issue for EVE with everything being electronic.

My question is, aren't private contracts about the same thing as that old feature? Or are you just wanting a physical bank cheque that can be dropped? Kind of like PLEX but with variable amounts YARRRR!!.


Sounds about right but what is the point?

Without any limitation on "electronic" isk, there is no reason for "paper" isk to exist.

Now, if such a limitation were implemented say, in nullsec, "isk checks" could be useful and interesting.

Richard Throatdeep
Posted - 2011.08.04 02:52:00 - [27]
 

Couldn't you create an alt named "Paper Moolah" and use it much the same way?

Hmm, there might be a demand for a corporation that provides such a service...


 

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