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Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 12:00:00 - [31]

The opportunity to vote for the CSM was presented equally to all players. These postings by a few highly vocal hisec carebears utterly ignores the fact that if your concerns were both as important to the player base and as widespread as you purport them to be, then the voting would have reflected that and the CSM composition would be different than it currently is. It played out in this way for a simple reason: People are far more likely to vote in these things when angry... the majority of hisec dwellers are content with things there as is, while the majority of nullsec players are very upset with the way things there currently operate. Therefore, if you have one group of people demanding change with another group content, youre gonna work on pacifying the angry group rather than throwing carrots to those who are currently content.

I think the fact that these anti-CSM threads are so relatively few in compared to the large number of hisec dwellers and the fact that these threads seem to be consistently driven by the same few people is actually quite telling....

Jerric DeValerian
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:41:00 - [32]

I beg to differ. As far as I've read and heard, the CSM is widely regarded as an institution catering mostly, if not entirely, to the whims of the "big 0.0. alliances". True or not, I cannot and won't discuss it here, but that seems to be the general perception.

Take your usual hisec "carebear" (and yes, that wording does nothing to counter the aformentioned perception). If he shows some interest in politics (even that alone is a step ahead) he would think that voting for one or another wouldn't change anything for his own lot in EvE. So why bother?

Vile rat
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:30:00 - [33]

Some interesting perceptions. What exactly do you think goes on behind the scenes of a CSM? Do you think there is a bloc of voters who squash down empire or wormhole concerns? You think we act as a type of eve illuminati trying to crush dissent and push an agenda over the screams of those not part of 'the 0.0 bloc' ?

Sadly this isn't the case, but it would sure be fun!

What happens in reality is we all hang out on two persistent skype channels. One with just us, one with a bunch of devs who we get constant communication with. We are constantly discussing issues that are close to us, or issues brought to us by our constituents (my constituents are anybody who emails me with a question/concern btw) and we tend to hit each other up for more information if it's a subject we're not really well read up on. Having Two Step in the group has been a huge boon for example, since most of us don't have a whole lot of experience with wormhole issues and we tend to borrow insight from him a lot.

When we want to bring up something informally we can chat directly with the CCP devs who handle that particular area or if we want something more formally discussed we can post threads to direct a topic over a more structured discussion.

That's why it's so bizarre when people try to paint insane conspiracies that 0.0 is somehow 'taking over the CSM' when all we do is add our voice to the overall discussion which by the way, also includes your voices in the speakers corner and other venues. We are lobbyists, we are advocates, we are a face to face voice to help explain the players complaints or help CCP come to terms with parts of their game that need a lot of work of which they have a blind spot.

If you feel your issue isn't being brought up effectively have you taken the time to contact one of the reps to help give it some traction? To date I think I've received maybe 3 evemails along these lines and that's it. If you think that a purely highsec advocate would better represent you then I encourage you to get them out there and start campaigning now so they have the name recognition to get elected.

Jaxon Grylls
Posted - 2011.09.06 16:53:00 - [34]

Originally by: Vile rat
You think we act as a type of eve illuminati trying to crush dissent and push an agenda over the screams of those not part of 'the 0.0 bloc' ?

Sadly this isn't the case, but it would sure be fun!

That rather begs the question fun for who? It certainly won't be those people being ignored by the CSM.

Look, we have the words of a number of CSM delegates assuring us that they are only interested in supporting the aspirations of those people who voted for them. That's not a conspiracy theory, that's fact. As to the question of a bloc trying to nerf the interests of hisec, I can only speak for myself, but yes, that is exactly the perception that I get.

As it happens what you suggest in the latter part of your post is exactly what some of us in hisec are trying to do. Not me personally, I have a number of issues that prevent me from standing, I don't think that I have a high enough profile in any case. We are organising a push to make sure that the interests of hisec are adequately adressed. So it's nice to know that hisec has not vanished off of the radar of the CSM but I would much rather have candidiates expressly chosen by hisec residents to represent me in the next CSM.

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